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| Title = Slendric
| Title = Slendric
| Subgroups = 2.3.7
| Subgroups = 2.3.7
| Comma basis = [[1029/1024]]
| Comma basis = [[1029/1024]]
| Edo join 1 = 5 | Edo join 2 = 21
| Edo join 1 = 5 | Edo join 2 = 21
| Generator = 8/7 | Generator tuning = 233.9 | Optimization method = CTE
| MOS scales = [[1L 4s]], [[5L 1s]], [[5L 6s]], [[5L 11s]], ...
| Mapping = 1; 3 -1
| Mapping = 1; 3 -1
| Generators = 8/7 | Generators tuning = 233.7 | Optimization method = CWE
| MOS scales = [[1L 4s]], [[5L 1s]], [[5L 6s]], [[5L 11s]], …
| Pergen = (P8, P5/3)
| Pergen = (P8, P5/3)
| Color name = Latrizoti
| Color name = Latrizoti
| Odd limit 1 = 7 | Mistuning 1 = 2.11 | Complexity 1 = 11
| Odd limit 1 = 7 | Mistuning 1 = 2.11 | Complexity 1 = 11
| Odd limit 2 = (2.3.7) 27 | Mistuning 2 = 2.81 | Complexity 2 = 21
| Odd limit 2 = 2.3.7 27 | Mistuning 2 = 2.81 | Complexity 2 = 21
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'''Slendric''', alternatively and originally named '''wonder''' by [[Margo Schulter]]<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_76975.html#77043 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Music Theory (was Re: How to keep discussions on-topic)''], and [https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_87455.html#88377 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''The "best" scale.'']</ref>, or systematically '''gamelic''', is a [[regular temperament]] generated by [[8/7]], so that three of them stack to [[3/2]]. Thus the gamelisma, [[1029/1024]], is tempered out, which defines the [[gamelismic clan]]. Since 1029/1024 is a relatively small comma (8.4¢), and the error is distributed over a few intervals, slendric is quite an accurate temperament (approximating many intervals within 1 or 2 cents in optimal tunings).


'''Slendric''', alternatively and originally named '''wonder''' by [[Margo Schulter]]<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_76975.html#77043 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Music Theory (was Re: How to keep discussions on-topic)''], and [https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_87455.html#88377 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''The "best" scale.'']</ref>, or systematically '''gamelic''', is a [[regular temperament]] generated by [[8/7]], so that three of them stack to [[3/2]]. Thus the gamelisma, [[1029/1024]], is tempered out, which defines the [[gamelismic clan]]. Since 1029/1024 is a relatively small comma (8.4¢), and the error is distributed over a few intervals, slendric is quite an accurate temperament (approximating many intervals within 1 or 2 cents in optimal tunings).
The disadvantage, if you want to think of it that way, is that approximations to the [[5/1|5th]] [[harmonic]] do not occur until you go a large number of generators away from the unison. In other words, the 5th harmonic must have a large [[complexity]]. Possible [[extension]]s of slendric to the full [[7-limit]] include [[mothra]], [[rodan]], and [[guiron]], where mothra tempers out [[81/80]], placing 5/1 at 12 generators (4 fifths) up; rodan tempers out [[245/243]], placing 5/1 at 17 generators up; and guiron tempers out the schisma, [[32805/32768]], placing 5/1 at 24 generators (8 fifths) down. [[Weak extension]]s such as [[miracle]] and [[valentine]] are somewhat more efficient, but they change the generator chain.  


The disadvantage, if you want to think of it that way, is that approximations to the 5th harmonic do not occur until you go a large number of generators away from the unison. In other words, the 5th harmonic must have a large [[complexity]]. Possible extensions of slendric to the full [[7-limit]] include [[mothra]], [[rodan]], and [[guiron]], where mothra tempers out [[81/80]], placing [[5/1]] at 12 generators (4 fifths) up; rodan tempers out [[245/243]], placing [[10/1]] at 17 generators up; and guiron tempers out the schisma, [[32805/32768]], placing the 5th harmonic 24 generators (8 fifths) down. [[Weak extension]]s such as [[miracle]] and [[valentine]] are somewhat more efficient, but they change the generator chain. From there, it is easy to extend these temperaments to the [[11-limit]] since 1029/1024 factorizes in this limit into ([[385/384]])⋅([[441/440]]), and so the logical extension of slendric is to temper out both commas; this places the interval of [[55/32]] at four generators up. Tempering 385/384 and 441/440 without first extending slendric to include the 5th harmonic results in the rank-3 temperament [[portent]], the natural 11-limit [[expansion]] of slendric. Portent is supported by the slendric extensions listed above.
From there, it is easy to extend these temperaments to the [[11-limit]] since 1029/1024 factorizes in this limit into ([[385/384]])⋅([[441/440]]), and so the logical extension of slendric is to temper out both commas; this places the interval of [[55/32]] at four generators up. Alternatively, giving 5/1 an independent generator and then tempering out 385/384 and 441/440 results in the rank-3 temperament [[portent]], the natural 11-limit [[expansion]] of slendric. Portent is [[support]]ed by the slendric extensions listed above.


This article concerns the basic [[2.3.7 subgroup]] temperament, slendric itself.
This article concerns the basic [[2.3.7 subgroup]] temperament, slendric itself.
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== Tunings ==
== Tunings ==
Notable edos that support slendric include {{EDOs| 31, 36, 41, 46, and 77}}. [[Constrained tuning|Constrained Tenney–Euclidean]] slendric is extremely well-approximated by [[2160edo]].
Notable edos that support slendric include {{EDOs| 31, 36, 41, 46, and 77}}.


=== Norm-based tunings ===
=== Norm-based tunings ===