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We have some intervals with high p-limits. The <code>Monzo</code> value sometimes tend to explode the frame and its informational value is questionable (who really wants to count all the zeros)? The best would be to make (<code>Ratio</code> or <code>Monzo</code>) mandatory but I doubt that a really great implementation will be possible. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 18:39, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
We have some intervals with high p-limits. The <code>Monzo</code> value sometimes tend to explode the frame and its informational value is questionable (who really wants to count all the zeros)? The best would be to make (<code>Ratio</code> or <code>Monzo</code>) mandatory but I doubt that a really great implementation will be possible. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 18:39, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
: Maybe allow writing something like <code>large</code> as a value for it, and that won’t add [[:Category:Todo:add interval monzo]] but neither it would show that row. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 19:14, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
: Oh, I know! Maybe just add optional <code>factors</code> which shows instead of <code>monzo</code> when present? Monzo can as well be present too for the sake of completeness, but it wouldn’t spam the page. Also maybe factors need a template, I’ll tinker with this. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 20:06, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
== Make harmonic entropy optional ==
I don't think the harmonic entropy of intervals is useful enough to prominantly displayed in the infobox.
HE itself is already a questionable model, and even then it is mostly useful relative to other intervals: if an interval has a HE of 4.25 bits, that tells me absolutely nothing!
I'd be surprised if anyone actually finds this information useful.
Displaying this should be made opt-in, which would remove it from most pages immediately.
I suppose similar things could probably be said about Tenney/Weil/Wilson height, but I don't really feel strongly about those.
– [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 17:55, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
: Done (for harmonic entropy only). --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 19:03, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 19:03, 4 August 2025

Parameter name normalization

it's better to have unique parameter names, so the alternative forms given earlier are now revoked. Pages that make use of them are automatically collected in Category:Todo:normalize interval parameters and should be adjusted from time to time. --Xenwolf (talk) 12:11, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Auto-applying a category?

Should this template also insert e. g. [[Category:Interval]] into page text, is it a good idea? --Arseniiv (talk) 17:02, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, in principle, but I'm not clear what the best category (or categories) should be. We have so far mostly: Interval, Interval ratio, Ratio, I also think that the prime limit could (better: should) be added to the parameters: it's applicable in every case and never goes beyond the limits (as monzos do sometimes see 71-limit). --Xenwolf (talk) 18:15, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
None of Interval, Ratio, or Interval ratio should be added. (1) The page can be about a comma (not an "interval"). (2) The page title can be a name (not a ratio). FloraC (talk) 18:29, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
@FloraC: right! Good that you mentioned the commas! Maybe some sort of category then? - or will that be to confusing? --Xenwolf (talk) 18:33, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Limit seems a good addition, as it’s probably a pain to calculate with MediaWiki functions? --Arseniiv (talk) 19:09, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Monzo better optional?

We have some intervals with high p-limits. The Monzo value sometimes tend to explode the frame and its informational value is questionable (who really wants to count all the zeros)? The best would be to make (Ratio or Monzo) mandatory but I doubt that a really great implementation will be possible. --Xenwolf (talk) 18:39, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Maybe allow writing something like large as a value for it, and that won’t add Category:Todo:add interval monzo but neither it would show that row. --Arseniiv (talk) 19:14, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Oh, I know! Maybe just add optional factors which shows instead of monzo when present? Monzo can as well be present too for the sake of completeness, but it wouldn’t spam the page. Also maybe factors need a template, I’ll tinker with this. --Arseniiv (talk) 20:06, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Make harmonic entropy optional

I don't think the harmonic entropy of intervals is useful enough to prominantly displayed in the infobox. HE itself is already a questionable model, and even then it is mostly useful relative to other intervals: if an interval has a HE of 4.25 bits, that tells me absolutely nothing! I'd be surprised if anyone actually finds this information useful.

Displaying this should be made opt-in, which would remove it from most pages immediately.

I suppose similar things could probably be said about Tenney/Weil/Wilson height, but I don't really feel strongly about those. – Sintel🎏 (talk) 17:55, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Done (for harmonic entropy only). --Fredg999 (talk) 19:03, 4 August 2025 (UTC)