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:: None of Interval, Ratio, or Interval ratio should be added. (1) The page can be about a comma (not an "interval"). (2) The page title can be a name (not a ratio). [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 18:29, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

::: @FloraC: right! Good that you mentioned the commas! Maybe some sort of <code>category</code> then? - or will that be to confusing? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 18:33, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

:: Limit seems a good addition, as it’s probably a pain to calculate with MediaWiki functions? --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 19:09, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

== Monzo better optional? ==

We have some intervals with high p-limits. The <code>Monzo</code> value sometimes tend to explode the frame and its informational value is questionable (who really wants to count all the zeros)? The best would be to make (<code>Ratio</code> or <code>Monzo</code>) mandatory but I doubt that a really great implementation will be possible. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 18:39, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

: Maybe allow writing something like <code>large</code> as a value for it, and that won’t add [[:Category:Todo:add interval monzo]] but neither it would show that row. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 19:14, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

: Oh, I know! Maybe just add optional <code>factors</code> which shows instead of <code>monzo</code> when present? Monzo can as well be present too for the sake of completeness, but it wouldn’t spam the page. Also maybe factors need a template, I’ll tinker with this. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 20:06, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

== Make harmonic entropy optional ==

I don't think the harmonic entropy of intervals is useful enough to prominantly displayed in the infobox.

HE itself is already a questionable model, and even then it is mostly useful relative to other intervals: if an interval has a HE of 4.25 bits, that tells me absolutely nothing!

I'd be surprised if anyone actually finds this information useful.

Displaying this should be made opt-in, which would remove it from most pages immediately.

I suppose similar things could probably be said about Tenney/Weil/Wilson height, but I don't really feel strongly about those.

– [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 17:55, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

: Done (for harmonic entropy only). --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 19:03, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

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 :: None of Interval, Ratio, or Interval ratio should be added. (1) The page can be about a comma (not an "interval"). (2) The page title can be a name (not a ratio). [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 18:29, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
+::: @FloraC: right! Good that you mentioned the commas! Maybe some sort of <code>category</code> then? - or will that be to confusing? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 18:33, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
+:: Limit seems a good addition, as it’s probably a pain to calculate with MediaWiki functions? --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 19:09, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
+== Monzo better optional? ==
+We have some intervals with high p-limits. The <code>Monzo</code> value sometimes tend to explode the frame and its informational value is questionable (who really wants to count all the zeros)? The best would be to make (<code>Ratio</code> or <code>Monzo</code>) mandatory but I doubt that a really great implementation will be possible. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 18:39, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
+: Maybe allow writing something like <code>large</code> as a value for it, and that won’t add [[:Category:Todo:add interval monzo]] but neither it would show that row. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 19:14, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
+: Oh, I know! Maybe just add optional <code>factors</code> which shows instead of <code>monzo</code> when present? Monzo can as well be present too for the sake of completeness, but it wouldn’t spam the page. Also maybe factors need a template, I’ll tinker with this. --[[User:Arseniiv|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv|talk]]) 20:06, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
+== Make harmonic entropy optional ==
+I don't think the harmonic entropy of intervals is useful enough to prominantly displayed in the infobox.
+HE itself is already a questionable model, and even then it is mostly useful relative to other intervals: if an interval has a HE of 4.25 bits, that tells me absolutely nothing!
+I'd be surprised if anyone actually finds this information useful.
+Displaying this should be made opt-in, which would remove it from most pages immediately.
+I suppose similar things could probably be said about Tenney/Weil/Wilson height, but I don't really feel strongly about those.
+– [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 17:55, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
+: Done (for harmonic entropy only). --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 19:03, 4 August 2025 (UTC)