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Hello there! This page is a place for various projects and minute things to do on this wiki. Please be welcome to help with any of them you like!
'''Hello there! This page is a place for various projects and minute things to do on this wiki. Please be welcome to help with any of them you like!'''
 
If you have a proposal to improve the basic fundamentals of the wiki, post it on this page.
 
If you have an experimental proposal for changing or adding to the wiki in a new way, post it at: [[Wikifuture]].
 
For bugs, please report them at: [[Bugs]].
 
 
 
''See also: [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Conventions|Conventions]], [[Projects#WikiProjects]], [[Help:Migration FAQ]], as well as [[:Category:Todo]] and its subcategories.''
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{{Archives}}
 


If you think something essential was forgotten and should be here, don’t be shy to add a new section here! If you don’t know if a project would be interesting to others, [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do|write at the talk page]] and let’s decide it together.
If you think something essential was forgotten and should be here, don’t be shy to add a new section here! If you don’t know if a project would be interesting to others, [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do|write at the talk page]] and let’s decide it together.


When the technical help is needed, please aid volunteers with a tool or two for being sure the details are easy to make right. For example, a template, a converter etc..
When the technical help is needed, please aid volunteers with a tool or two for being sure the details are easy to make right. For example, a template, a converter etc.
 
== Individual tasks ==
These are tasks that one or more individual editors can chip away at, without requiring much oversight from others.
 
=== Transfer from riters.com ===
There are still a couple of pages at [https://web.archive.org/web/20050503032508/http://riters.com:80/microtonal/ http://riters.com/microtonal] that could be copied over if we want this to be the one true wiki. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
: Warning: That site is very old! [[User:PiotrGrochowski|PiotrGrochowski]] ([[User talk:PiotrGrochowski|talk]]) 07:44, 19 September 2018 (UTC)


: ''See also [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Conventions|Conventions]], [[Wikifuture]], [[Migration FAQ]] as well as [[:Category:Todo]] and its subcategories.''
=== Fill out the scale catalogue ===
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Sources for this: all the Yahoo! lists, the Scala archive, original reflection on new and old scales, pages of X.J. Scott, David Finnamore, Tonalsoft...? Have at least one sound example (midi, mp3, ogg...) for each scale, and keep in mind that this wiki allows you to upload files up to 5 MB each.
 
Ever since learning about the [[MOSScales|MOS scales]] I have desired but not seen a good, thorough introduction to them, or to the two-dimensional method of creating scales. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 
=== An FAQ: everyone posts questions, answers ===
This could be sufficiently primed by mining the lists. But more importantly it would need to be linked to by a high-search-engine-ranking page. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 
: '''Update!''' This has now existed for some time, it is at: [[FAQ]].
 
: There are many unanswered questions there though, so please post your answers.
 
: And if you have questions, please ask them there because I bet others have the same question too but are shy and hoping someone will ask.
 
: --[[Budjarn Lambeth]] 05:46, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
 
=== Add more languages ===
This wiki could benefit from [[What languages do various users know?|wiki translators]] to add new languages to this wiki. [[User:PiotrGrochowski|PiotrGrochowski]] ([[User talk:PiotrGrochowski|talk]]) 18:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
 
=== Create table of interval pages for large edos you’re familiar with ===
If you are familiar with a large edo (100edo or higher), please create a “Table of #edo intervals” page for it, along the lines of [[Table of 99edo intervals]] or [[Table of 198edo intervals]].
 
Please only do this if you are familiar with the edo, though: i.e. you have made music with the edo, or the edo falls within your sphere of expertise as a theorist.
 
[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] and [[User:BudjarnLambeth|Budjarn Lambeth]], 21 January 2024.


== Details to fill out in articles ==
=== More sound examples ===


* Interval pages like [[3/2]]
We should really add some sound examples - it makes regular wikipedia and other xen websites much more comprehensible/easily digestable.
** ''<Please write what may still be desired>''


* ''<Other kinds of pages>''
RobFast on XA Discord, 23 January 2024.


== Archiving outdated discussions ==
=== Comma pump examples ===


Discussion pages tend to become confusing over time. The sections at the beginning are often long since finished. This tendency is easy to observe, but hardly anyone knows how to archive outdated articles.  
Add audio comma pump examples for commas.  


We probably need some templates to support archiving. Moving old sections to subpage(s) is not as hard, but a bit of automatic decoration/guidance/navigation would help people to do this.
A lot of comma pages have no examples demonstrating how commas can be used to build chord progressions, scales, etc., so '''please add comma pump examples!''' A good example is [[frameshift comma]].  


Automated archiving would be nice, but not essential in the first place.
[[User:Akselai|Akselai]], 2024.


== Infobox for EDO pages ==
=== Add no-twos consistency to Infobox ET ===
The no-twos consistency limit should be added to [[Template:Infobox ET]] for EDTs.


In EDO pages (see for example [[23edo]], [[74edo]], [[167edo]]), core information is currently still given in prose, which makes it difficult to get this information together. Adding another infobox template would help to present and manage the formal information.
[[User:Lériendil|Lériendil]] on XA Discord, 2024.


At the moment, we tend to include of these core characteristics
: After 30 hours, this received 7 positive reacts and no negative reacts, so we should make it a priority.


* step count
: [[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 06:22, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
* step size
* patent val


Join our discussion: [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do #Infobox for EDO pages]]
=== Create a "comma names explained" page ===


== Categories of interval pages ==
Create a page explaining how to interpet the following types of comma names:
* "31-comma", "63-comma", "241-comma", etc.
* "11-3/5-comma", "300-3/5-comma", "45-7/5-comma" etc.
* "87-15-comma", "21-23-comma", "59-5 comma", etc.
* "35-cycle", "21-cycle", "19-cycle", etc.
* "5/7-kleisma", "35/11 kleisma", etc.
* "19th partial chroma", "29th partial chroma", etc.
* "34-jubilismic", "23 semitone", "19-minor mediant", etc.
* "87-fold starling comma" (what does 87-fold mean?)
* "prima", "secunda", any other related words
* "trientone", "trienstonic", any other related words
* "hexadecatone", "hendecatonic", any other related words


There are lots of interval pages in the wiki, for example [[3/2]], [[8/7]], [[25/24]], [[11/8]]... We developed an info box that brings the core features together. Still  open is the question which category name would fit best for all of them. We currently observe a seemingly random mix of
[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 24 October 2024 (Sydney time)
* [[:Category:Interval]]
* [[:Category:Ratio]]
* [[:Category:Interval ratio]]
* [[:Category:Just interval]]


At present, it appears that we will replace most of them with [[:Category:Rational interval]]" in the future.
::: '''Update:''' Work on this has begun, but is still ongoing. Contribute at: [[Systematic comma names explained]]


Please join our discussion in [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do #Relations of various interval categories]]! Thanks 🙂
=== Write full-detail "scales" sections for each of the temperament pages ===
The temperament page "[[slendric]]" has a high-quality section under the subheading "scales". Please write some "scales" sections in this same style for other similar temperament pages.


== Proposal: Shorten editing titles ==
[[Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil|talk]]) 03:27, 13 January 2025 (Sydney time) (on [[Discord]])


When using tabbed browsing, long identical prefixes (like ''Editing '') in titles make it hard to differentiate tabs of wiki pages currently being edited.
<small>''Reposted here by [[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 10:30, 13 January 2024 (Sydney time)''</small>


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What do you think about the proposed change?
Work on forming a team, or see if one already exists, at: [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do|this page's talk page]]. You may also try making a thread in the #wiki channel of the [https://discord.com/invite/FSF5JFT XA Discord], or you may try making a post on the [https://www.facebook.com/groups/xenwiki/ Xenwiki Work Group] on Facebook.


Join the discussion at [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do #Shorten editing titles]]
Some of these may become, or have already become [[Projects#WikiProjects|WikiProjects]]. Check that WikiProjects page to see if the task you’re interested in already has a project - and if it does, get involved in it!


== Get rid of "alternative pages" ==
=== Get rid of "alternative pages" ===


There are some pages that were mostly started out of frustration of on particular user not any more active in this wiki. The problem with diverging pages about the same topic is that linking to it tends to break or at least dissipate the consistency of the entire wiki. As normally would be the case with pages targeting the same topic but created by chance, the content should be merged into the (mostly obvious) main page. If there is noting valuable on it, the pages should be deleted. The pages are currently in the [[:Category:Alternative pages]]. For discussing deletion etc, we should refrain from doing that on the respective discussion pages, because deletion will remove these as well. We'd better open an own page for discussion deletion.
There are some pages that were mostly started out of frustration of on particular user not any more active in this wiki. The problem with diverging pages about the same topic is that linking to it tends to break or at least dissipate the consistency of the entire wiki. As normally would be the case with pages targeting the same topic but created by chance, the content should be merged into the (mostly obvious) main page. If there is noting valuable on it, the pages should be deleted. The pages are currently in the [[:Category:Alternative pages]]. For discussing deletion etc, we should refrain from doing that on the respective discussion pages, because deletion will remove these as well. We'd better open an own page for discussion deletion. [[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 14:55, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


: I took a look at these. The edo pages are a relic of a discussion on facebook about the proper format for edo pages. Sort of useful. I suggest deleting all but the 15edo-a page and Gareth's page. The 94-edo page might have some good stuff, but since it's 94edo and 15edo jumbled together, it's also really confusing. This is what I suggest, but I don't feel I have the authority to actually delete someone's page. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 03:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
: I took a look at these. The edo pages are a relic of a discussion on facebook about the proper format for edo pages. Sort of useful. I suggest deleting all but the 15edo-a page and Gareth's page. The 94-edo page might have some good stuff, but since it's 94edo and 15edo jumbled together, it's also really confusing. This is what I suggest, but I don't feel I have the authority to actually delete someone's page. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 03:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


== Place to discuss deletion requests ==
: Mostly done, only [[User:Lhearne/15edo]] left, and since it's in the user namespace, it's not as problematic. Still waiting for a reply from Lillian, I might give a poke on Discord. [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 07:51, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 
=== Place to discuss deletion requests ===


Sometimes it's not easy to decide if a page should be deleted or not, it has to be discussed first. The problem with discussing deletion requests on the discussion page of the page being questioned is that they both have the same future. If the deletion happens, normal users have no access to the reasoning any more. Most wikis use an extra page for this purpose.
Sometimes it's not easy to decide if a page should be deleted or not, it has to be discussed first. The problem with discussing deletion requests on the discussion page of the page being questioned is that they both have the same future. If the deletion happens, normal users have no access to the reasoning any more. Most wikis use an extra page for this purpose.


The so-called project namespace (in this wiki it's indicated by the prefix <code>Xenharmonic Wiki:</code>) is dedicated to that purpose, see [https://en.xen.wiki/w/Special:AllPages?from=&to=&namespace=4 pages currently in the project namespace].
The so-called project namespace (in this wiki it's indicated by the prefix <code>Xenharmonic Wiki:</code>) is dedicated to that purpose, see [https://en.xen.wiki/w/Special:AllPages?from=&to=&namespace=4 pages currently in the project namespace]. [[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 15:08, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 
== Disambiguation project ==
 
There is a project [[Xenharmonix Wiki:Disambiguation]] that aims to build the tools we need. Please join the work and [[Talk:Xenharmonix Wiki:Disambiguation|discuss]] related issues.


== Naming articles ==
: Wikipedia needs to handle a lot of page deletions, and in particular a lot of page deletion discussions. For more modest needs like ours, maybe we could create the talk page of [[:Category:Pages nominated for deletion]] (therefore [[:Category talk:Pages nominated for deletion]]) and create a topic per request on that page. If the page has a long backlog over time, we can create archive pages to avoid cluttering the active page too much. [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 07:51, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


To reflect our current efforts, a ''#Naming articles'' section should be added to [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Conventions]]. Please review, rework, and/or [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#Naming articles|discuss]] following draft:
=== Disambiguation project ===


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There is a project [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Disambiguation]] that aims to build the tools we need. Please join the work and [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Disambiguation|discuss]] related issues. [[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 11:38, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Wiki pages should follow the usual English capitalization rules, except for the very first character, which is automatically capitalized by the wiki software. This means that words inside the title are written in lower case, except for proper names.


Currently, there is still a mixture of styles that has historical reasons: In the beginning, titles were started in WikiCase because the Wikispaces software used at that time automatically linked such words. Later, the configuration was adjusted so that links were only created if this was specified by appropriate markup. Here, the titles started to look like titles, but to a large extent also with the usual capitalization of all meaningful words for titles (book titles). Then came the switch to MediaWiki with new features that were only slowly adapted (redirects, categories, etc.). Meanwhile, we have moved on to making full use of the wiki software's support. Thus a) pages are always linked regardless of the upper and lower case of the first character (e.g. <code><nowiki>[[Cent]] == [[cent]]</nowiki></code> &rarr; [[Cent]] == [[cent]]) and b) characters that are appended after the link markup are included in the link label (e.g. <code><nowiki>[[cent]]s == [[cent|cents]]</nowiki></code> &rarr; [[cent]]s == [[cent|cents]]). This way, links can usually be embedded in the text without much effort.
: I created [[Template:About]] a while ago for disambiguation hatnotes. I'll try to work on a simple help page soon. [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 07:51, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
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== 13-Limit, 17-Limit and 19-Limit Comma Pages ==
=== 13-Limit, 17-Limit and 19-Limit Comma Pages ===


:''todo''
:''todo''
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Join the discussion [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#13-Limit, 17-Limit and 19-Limit Comma Pages]]!
Join the discussion [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#13-Limit, 17-Limit and 19-Limit Comma Pages]]!


== Comma tables in EDO pages ==
=== Comma tables in EDO pages ===


We found (on [[User talk:FloraC #Fractions vs. names in interval lemmas]]) that the comma tables on EDO pages are overloaded with information already given elsewhere. This self-evolving "convention" makes it hard to provide consistent and correct information about, (alternative) names, corrections etc. The original information should eventually find place in a dedicated page for each comma; the overview pages about [[comma]]s ([[Large comma]], [[Medium comma]], [[Small comma]], [[Unnoticeable comma]]) should be seen as secondary source then. Currently we tend to reduce the comma tables on EDO pages to at most three columns:
We found (on [[User talk:FloraC #Fractions vs. names in interval lemmas]]) that the comma tables on EDO pages are overloaded with information already given elsewhere. This self-evolving "convention" makes it hard to provide consistent and correct information about, (alternative) names, corrections etc. The original information should eventually find place in a dedicated page for each comma; the overview pages about [[comma]]s ([[Large comma]], [[Medium comma]], [[Small comma]], [[Unnoticeable comma]]) should be seen as secondary source then. Currently we tend to reduce the comma tables on EDO pages to at most three columns:
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This can be discussed in [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#Comma tables in EDO pages]]
This can be discussed in [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#Comma tables in EDO pages]]


== Improve accessibility of wiki and present info in a non-technical way ==
=== Improve accessibility of wiki and present info in a non-technical way ===


: ''(shortcut(s): [[Xenwiki:Accessibility]], [[XenWiki:Accessibility]])''
: ''(shortcut(s): [[Xenwiki:Accessibility]], [[XenWiki:Accessibility]])''
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Please join the discussion in ''[[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#Improve accessibility of wiki and present info in a non-technical way]]''!
Please join the discussion in ''[[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#Improve accessibility of wiki and present info in a non-technical way]]''!


=== Reorganize temperament pages ===
: [[Template:Inaccessible]] can now be used to warn readers of pages that may be difficult to understand, while also reminding wiki editors that these pages need work by placing these pages in [[:Category:Inaccessible pages]]. [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 07:51, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 
==== Reorganize temperament pages ====
How should temperament pages be reorganized?
How should temperament pages be reorganized?


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Please join the discussion in ''[[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#Reorganize temperament pages]]''!
Please join the discussion in ''[[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#Reorganize temperament pages]]''!


=== <s>New format for temperament entries</s>  ===
==== <s>New format for temperament entries</s>  ====
<s>Present regular temperament tunings on temperament pages in a new concrete, easy-to-read format. </s>  
<s>Present regular temperament tunings on temperament pages in a new concrete, easy-to-read format. </s>  


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Please join the discussion in ''[[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#New format for temperament entries]]''!
Please join the discussion in ''[[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#New format for temperament entries]]''!


=== Terminology proposals ===
==== General-audience temperament pages ====
Reformulate use of special terms to make them more obviously musically meaningful.
* Re-formulate "[[consistent]]": Use the formulations "'''all-odd harmonic series chord C is consistent in N-edo'''" to mean that:
# every instance of an interval in C is mapped to the same size in its approximation C' (for example, 4:6:9 is approximated using two fifths of the same size), and
# no interval within the chord is off by more than 50% of an edo step.
: I think the formulation "1:3:5:7:9:11 is consistent in 31edo" is more obviously meaningful than "31edo is consistent in the 11-odd limit". A set of odd numbers such as an odd limit corresponds to a harmonic series chord independent of voicing.
 
=== Temperament restriction policy on selected pages ===
It seems the proposal for making the temperament material more accessible has failed. To the extent possible, we should try not to obligate newcomers to learn RTT at all, so we should be especially careful to ensure that RTT aspects of tunings are presented in a more modular fashion, cleanly separated from parts intended for a general audience. It is also important to ensure that temperaments are not overemphasized in proportion to the extent they are actually used, so that newcomers will have an accurate understanding of how important RTT actually is before deciding whether to invest a lot of time to learn it.
 
'''Proposal:''' On a page intended to be read by a general audience and those unfamiliar with RTT,
# A temperament should not be mentioned at all (in particular temperament names should not be used to name scales or generator ranges), unless at least one of the following criteria is satisfied:
#* The temperament has been used in at least 20 compositions (for example, a 1L6s MOS in a porcupine tuning, or pumps the porcupine comma). For this purpose the composer should state that they're using the temperament; mentioning the temperament by name suffices.
#* There is a reasonably complete general-audience page about the temperament (rather than just an associated MOS pattern).
#* The temperament has been redefined as a pair (MOS period, MOS generator tuning range), or equivalently, as a MOS pattern (see [[#Allowlist|below]]).
# Do not refer to tempering out a specific comma, unless it is on the list of allowed commas.
# When linking to a temperament name, it should link to a page describing the temperament for a general audience, not a technical temperament entry. Exception: A general-audience temperament page can link to more technical temperament pages in its "see also" section, but they should be marked as technical material.
 
Pages on which this temperament restriction policy is active should be clearly marked for editors, with the template [[User:IlL/Template:RTT restriction]].


Pages subject to this policy include:
== Moderator tasks ==
* MOS patterns 10 notes or smaller
Only Xenharmonic Wiki staff have the permissions to complete these tasks.
* edos between [[5edo]] and [[40edo]] (inclusive)


Sections or subpages within RTT-restricting articles that are specifically dedicated to describing temperaments are not subject to this policy. These are to be marked with the template [[User:IlL/Template:RTT notice]].
Please do not harass staff about these tasks, they have a lot to do and will get to this once more urgent day to day maintenance is done. Remember that all Xen Wiki editors, including staff, are unpaid volunteers maintaining this site for free.


Please join the discussion in ''[[Xenharmonic Wiki talk:Things to do#Temperament restriction policy on selected pages]]''!
You can reduce the workload on staff by ensuring your edits and conduct follow [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Conventions]], [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Article guidelines]] and [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Five pillars]].


==== Allowlist ====
=== Add image annotations ===
A running list of allowed temperaments:
Could you install this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-ImageAnnotator/Installation so we can add annotations to diagrams, like labeling chords in [[:File:Consonance map, triads, sawtooth waves.png]] ? [[User:ResonantFrequencies|ResonantFrequencies]] ([[User talk:ResonantFrequencies|talk]]) 17:51, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
* [[Meantone]]
* [[Augmented]]
* [[Diminished]]
* [[Diaschismic]]
* [[Schismic]]
* [[Porcupine]]
* [[Archy]]


Allowed temperaments redefined (by common use) as MOS scale structures or tuning ranges:
: Process for importing templates and all their dependencies: https://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/117429/how-to-use-wikipedia-templates-on-an-outside-mediawiki/117436#117436 [[User:ResonantFrequencies|ResonantFrequencies]] ([[User talk:ResonantFrequencies|talk]]) 02:38, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
* [[Mavila]] is a commonly enough used word but inaccurate enough that it should be described not as a temperament but as a scale structure, i.e. [[7L 2s]] and its subsets or MODMOSes or extended harmony. It seems Erv Wilson defined mavila as a scale structure.
* Similarly [[Blackwood]] should be treated not as a temperament but as a synonym of [[5L 5s]] and its associated harmonic framework. (The [[20edo]] 5L 5s scale is often called blackwood, though it has 420¢ thirds thus is not a good tuning for blackwood temperament).
* [[Semaphore]] is redefined as the [[Step ratio|hard]]er-of-14edo [[5L 4s|semiquartal]] tuning range (period = 2/1, generator between 1\5 and 3\14), i.e. a [[5L 9s]]-based framework.
* [[Bug]] is redefined as the [[Step ratio|soft]]er-of-14edo [[5L 4s|semiquartal]] (period = 2/1, generator between 3\14 and 2\9), i.e. a [[9L 5s]]-based framework.


A running list of allowed commas:
=== Interwiki for xen-calc ===
* The following 5-limit commas tempered out by [[12edo]]: [[81/80]], [[128/125]], [[648/625]], [[2048/2025]], [[32805/32768]]
Requesting interwiki for <code>https://www.yacavone.net/xen-calc/?q=$1</code>. These links are used by [[Template:Infobox Interval]] and captchas are annoying.
* Porcupine comma, [[250/243]]
* [[64/63]]


== Categorizing edos as subgroups ==
[[User:Plumtree|Plumtree]] ([[User talk:Plumtree|talk]]) 15:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Should we have a criterion for when an EDO should be said to be good for JI subgroups? Some possibilities:
# absolute error
# [[consistent]]
# consistent to distance 1
Whatever criterion is used, we should state that that criterion was used, in the interest of transparency.


This can be discussed in [[Xenharmonic Wiki talk: Things to do #Categorizing edos as subgroups]].
[[Category:Xenharmonic Wiki]]