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| This page is for general discussion on how to improve the wiki | | <div style="border: 1px green solid; background-color: #efe; padding: 0.5em 1em; margin-bottom: 1em"> |
| | '''Hello there! This page is for general discussion on how to improve the wiki. A community wish list of sorts.''' |
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| '''FOR BUGS, PLEASE REPORT THEM AT [[Bugs]]'''
| | If you have an experimental proposal for changing or adding to the wiki in a new way, post it on this page. |
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| == Future of this wiki ==
| | If you have a proposal to improve the basic fundamentals of the wiki, post it at: [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Things to do|Things to Do]]. |
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| Please leave suggestions below. Don't forget to sign them: type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your comment to leave a signature. For example: [[User:Battaglia01|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Battaglia01|talk]]) 12:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
| | For bugs, please report them at: [[Bugs]]. |
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| === Complete incomplete articles ===
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| Eighteen articles in this wiki are incomplete. Without people to add info, this wiki couldn't progress. We encourage users to complete the articles below and hope former experienced {{SITENAME}} users come here. If an article becomes complete, a new placeholder article may be done (such as an [[EDO#100...199|edo]] or [[Special:WantedPages|a broken link]]) to replace the previous in the list to give experienced users more to do.
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| Pages in this list can also be seen at [[:Category:Stub]] (however that category is moderated by everyone, while this list is moderated by [[User:PiotrGrochowski]], so the two lists may diverge over time).
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| See [[:Category:Todo]] for articles with other issues. | | ''See also: [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Conventions|Conventions]], [[Projects#WikiProjects]], [[Help:Migration FAQ]], as well as [[:Category:Todo]] and its subcategories.'' |
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| #[[Table of 171edo intervals]] (complete a big table)
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| #[[Well Temperament]] (add more information)
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| #[[107edo]] (add more information)
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| #[[153edo]] (add more information)
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| #[[218edo]] (add more information)
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| #<s>[[0/0]] (add more information)</s>
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| #[[225/224]] (add more information)
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| #[[32805/32768]] (add more information)
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| #[[15625/15552]] (add more information)
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| #[[Tritone]] (add more information)
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| #[[167edo]] (add more information)
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| #[[110edo]] (add more information)
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| #[[Frequency ratio]] (add more information)
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| #[[Extended meantone notation]] (find symbols for the notation)
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| #[[436edo]] (add more information)
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| #[[1445/1444]] (add more information)
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| #[[Xenharmonic Wiki:General disclaimer]] (add more information)
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| #[[117edo]] (add more information)
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| (from User:PiotrGrochowski)
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| === Javascript Strategy === | | == Future of this wiki == |
| Javascript is by default disabled on Mediawiki for security reasons. However, it could be a really really powerful tool for making accessible, interactive explanations for a lot of things. Just as an example, imagine that any number followed by ¢ would automagically create an exemplary audio file like the one linked to at the top of [[octave]]...imagine something like that playing when you hover over the text. Or imagine a [[wikipedia:Lissajous curve|Lissajous curve]] appears in the background when you hover over a just ratio. There are some of us capable in Javascript, and some extant widgets written in Javascript, like [https://ia601408.us.archive.org/1/items/mosedo.html/mosedo.html Billy Stiltner's MOSedo] and [http://untwelve.org/online_tools AKJ's tools]. We need at least a collected xenharmonic Javascript library, and maybe that project can't live here, but it would be nice to see it eventually integrated somehow. [[User:Xenjacob|Xenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]]) 15:51, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
| | Please leave suggestions below. Don't forget to sign them: type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your comment to leave a signature. For example: [[User:Battaglia01|Mike Battaglia]] ([[User talk:Battaglia01|talk]]) 12:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC) |
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| === Add more languages === | | === Improved Yahoo! search engine === |
| | Now that you can do an advanced search of the tuning (or other) list over the entirety of its life on Yahoo, there is less need to copy things from the tuning list archive. On the other hand, particularly well-written emails might deserve to get their own page. Authors' permissions necessary? [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC) |
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| This wiki could benefit from [[What languages do various users know?|wiki translators]] to add new languages to this wiki. [[User:PiotrGrochowski|PiotrGrochowski]] ([[User talk:PiotrGrochowski|talk]]) 18:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
| | === Database of "microtonal solutions" === |
| | Not only examples of hardware-software setups as Jon Szanto has repeatedly suggested, but also acoustic solutions, experiencial instrument-making info, a list with the location of every known rare microtonal instrument, and perhaps a way for composers to write for such instruments (providing the curators of them want this) |
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| === Add image annotations ===
| | An instrument-centric approach: [[MicrotonalInstruments]]. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC) |
| Could you install this https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-ImageAnnotator/Installation so we can add annotations to diagrams, like labeling chords in [[:File:Consonance map, triads, sawtooth waves.png]] ? [[User:ResonantFrequencies|ResonantFrequencies]] ([[User talk:ResonantFrequencies|talk]]) 17:51, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
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| : Process for importing templates and all their dependencies: https://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/117429/how-to-use-wikipedia-templates-on-an-outside-mediawiki/117436#117436 [[User:ResonantFrequencies|ResonantFrequencies]] ([[User talk:ResonantFrequencies|talk]]) 02:38, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
| | === Improved Listening List === |
| | The list of downloadable microtonal sounds is in good shape. It does need people to watch relevant sources (tuning and MMM lists come to mind) and add/update the links. A reviewing or rating system, perhaps also of CD releases, may additionally be helpful. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC) |
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| === Interwiki for xen-calc === | | === Pages on debates? === |
| Requesting interwiki for <code>https://www.yacavone.net/xen-calc/?q=$1</code>. These links are used by [[Template:Infobox Interval]] and captchas are annoying. [[User:Plumtree|Plumtree]] ([[User talk:Plumtree|talk]]) 15:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
| | Do we want to touch the dangerous stuff? JI vs. ET vs. EDO? MMM vs. just plain MM? The point would not be to have another place to play out the old arguments, but to ''make'' something useful out of them. |
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| === originally coming from <code>wikispaces</code> ===
| | On the other hand, we ''could'' make pages on points that many can agree on, with the aim of working together to come up with ways to meet our collective goals. The obvious one, originally Harry Partch: Microtonality is overlooked or dismissed all too often, and the best way to counter its detractors is in making good music with it. [[User:Xenjacob|zenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC) |
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| === Transfer from riters.com === | | === More on making things: a radical proposal === |
| | To me, the wiki as a structure remains an invitation to try new ways to represent information and to cause social interaction to happen. Much of this is overlap with the general Web 2.0 mentality, as well as creeping exhibitionism: why blog or wiki about something you're doing instead of just doing it? What I add to it are '''Unreasonable Expectations''' (that others are doing similar things and just need a poke or two in the direction of sharing) and '''Half-Baked Ideas''' (for projects that I personally don't have the time to complete but we can perhaps get a coalition of the wishing-it-would-happen). This idea itself is admittedly half-baked, but (and this is the point) I don't let it stop me. |
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| There are still a couple of pages at [https://web.archive.org/web/20050503032508/http://riters.com:80/microtonal/ http://riters.com/microtonal] that could be copied over if we want this to be the one true wiki. (from Wikispaces)<br>Warning: That site is very old!
| | So the radical proposal is this: be irresponsible. Start something you don't intend to finish, just to see how beautiful it is. Pretend you are backed up by a solid movement of joyous people rather than a smattering of bickering and frigid but seemingly well-meaning folks. And it will (maybe) come true. [[User:Xenjacob|xenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]] 15:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC) |
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| | === Javascript strategy === |
| | Javascript is by default disabled on Mediawiki for security reasons. However, it could be a really really powerful tool for making accessible, interactive explanations for a lot of things. Just as an example, imagine that any number followed by ¢ would automagically create an exemplary audio file like the one linked to at the top of [[octave]]...imagine something like that playing when you hover over the text. Or imagine a [[wikipedia:Lissajous curve|Lissajous curve]] appears in the background when you hover over a just ratio. There are some of us capable in Javascript, and some extant widgets written in Javascript, like [https://ia601408.us.archive.org/1/items/mosedo.html/mosedo.html Billy Stiltner's MOSedo] and [http://untwelve.org/online_tools AKJ's tools]. We need at least a collected xenharmonic Javascript library, and maybe that project can't live here, but it would be nice to see it eventually integrated somehow. [[User:Xenjacob|Xenjacob]] ([[User talk:Xenjacob|talk]]) 15:51, 22 September 2018 (UTC) |
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| == Archived from Wikispaces == | | === Create pages for the Edo recommendation hub page === |
| | Create pages where you recommend a list of [[edo]]s to beginners. |
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| Below is the original archived discussion from Wikispaces. It's also relevant, delete if done. '''After any user edits made to the below, it will be moved above''', as in the "transfer from riters" situation, which is categorized above due to being edited by [[User:PiotrGrochowski]].
| | Follow the standardised structure shown on the page [[Edo recommendation hub page]] to make it easy for readers to compare with the other lists. |
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| == A To-Do list, all points of discussion ==
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| ===Notation===
| | When your page is done, link it on [[Edo recommendation hub page]]. |
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| ===Improved Yahoo! search engine===
| | And/or create flow charts to help beginners choose edos, and link those on [[Edo recommendation hub page]]. |
| Now that you can do an advanced search of the tuning (or other) list over the entirety of its life on Yahoo, there is less need to copy things from the tuning list archive. On the other hand, particularly well-written emails might deserve to get their own page. Authors' permissions necessary?
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| ===Database of "microtonal solutions"===
| | [[Budjarn Lambeth]] 05:46, 15 December 2024 (UTC) |
| not only examples of hardware-software setups as Jon Szanto has repeatedly suggested, but also acoustic solutions, experiencial instrument-making info, a list with the location of every known rare microtonal instrument, and perhaps a way for composers to write for such instruments (providing the curators of them want this)
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| An instrument-centric approach: [[MicrotonalInstruments]]
| | === Create a unified "Chains, circles and spirals" page === |
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| ===Improved Listening List===
| | On the [[Discord]] today, [[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] posted the following proposal, it received a lot of upvotes: |
| The list of downloadable microtonal sounds is in good shape. It does need people to watch relevant sources (tuning and MMM lists come to mind) and add/update the links. A reviewing or rating system, perhaps also of CD releases, may additionally be helpful.
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| ===Fill out the scale catalogue===
| | ::"Chains are basically 1d lattices, probably something worth mentioning in some form. |
| Sources for this: all the Yahoo! lists, the Scala archive, original reflection on new and old scales, pages of X.J. Scott, David Finnamore, Tonalsoft...? Have at least one sound example (midi, mp3, ogg...) for each scale, and keep in mind that this wiki allows you to upload files up to 5 MB each.
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| Ever since learning about the [[MOSScales|MOS scales]] I have desired but not seen a good, thorough introduction to them, or to the two-dimensional method of creating scales.
| | ::Circles and spirals are just different ways to represent chains. |
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| ===An FAQ: everyone posts questions, answers.===
| | ::Therefore, it would make sense to have a single page about chains, circles and spirals. |
| This could be sufficiently primed by mining the lists. But more importantly it would need to be linked to by a high-search-engine-ranking page.
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| ===Pages on debates?===
| | ::The merge doesn't have to be done immediately, of course, but I think that's the best course of action in the long term. |
| Do we want to touch the dangerous stuff? JI vs. ET vs. EDO? MMM vs. just plain MM? The point would not be to have another place to play out the old arguments, but to ''make'' something useful out of them.
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| On the other hand, we ''could'' make pages on points that many can agree on, with the aim of working together to come up with ways to meet our collective goals. The obvious one, originally Harry Partch: Microtonality is overlooked or dismissed all too often, and the best way to counter its detractors is in making good music with it.
| | ::Chains are relevant not only in edos, but also in rank-2 regular temperaments, where the octave dimension is collapsed (as is common in a circle of fifths, for that matter), leaving only one other generator to stack, making a single chain. Several temperament pages have such chains, for that matter." |
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| ===More on making things: a radical proposal===
| | [[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 07:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
| To me, the wiki as a structure remains an invitation to try new ways to represent information and to cause social interaction to happen. Much of this is overlap with the general Web 2.0 mentality, as well as creeping exhibitionism: why blog or wiki about something you're doing instead of just doing it? What I add to it are '''Unreasonable Expectations''' (that others are doing similar things and just need a poke or two in the direction of sharing) and '''Half-Baked Ideas''' (for projects that I personally don't have the time to complete but we can perhaps get a coalition of the wishing-it-would-happen). This idea itself is admittedly half-baked, but (and this is the point) I don't let it stop me.
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| So the radical proposal is this: be irresponsible. Start something you don't intend to finish, just to see how beautiful it is. Pretend you are backed up by a solid movement of joyous people rather than a smattering of bickering and frigid but seemingly well-meaning folks. And it will (maybe) come true.
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| == See also ==
| | I'd like to contribute to support the site. Where can I do this? I searched (admittedly several weeks ago now) using "contribute", "contribution", "donate", "donation", "subscribe", and "subscription", but did not find anything. If a page for this (or some functional equivalent) exists (does one exist?), it should have a link from the home page. |
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| * [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Conventions]]
| | [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 21:45, 24 March 2025 (UTC) |
| * [[Migration FAQ]]
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| * [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Things to do]]
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