Talk:Septischismic family

Extension renaming

I don't like Cassaschismic's name. It's almost Cassa(ndra), but definitely not schismic. Since it adds 5 and 13 to Gary, I propose Willy, since it also tempers out the wilschisma conecting 5 and 13, and since it kinda goes with proper name temperaments. And it's kinda cute.

Now that I'm at it, I might as well propose Androschismic Andy instead, but that's a worse temp. --Eufalesio (talk) 16:30, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

This isn't a problem unique to cassaschismic. It's right there in garischismic, which you can say is almost garibaldi but definitely not schismic. It would have been better if garischismic was never proposed and we called it septischismic instead.

By proposing willy you're aware that this temperament is a strong extension of the 2.3.5.13-subgroup temp named will? I'm thinking about the possibility of making this temperament the canonical extension, in which case we'll change will to willy as well. As an alternative it can also be the canonical extension of garischismic, hence getting rid of its distinct name.

—FloraC (talk) 16:49, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

On the garischismic stuff you're right; we could pull a 180 and call [25 -14 0 -1⟩ garyma or garisma, freeing ourselves of the "schismic" association. Now that you mention it, we could have gary for 2.3.7/2.3.7.11, garic for 7-limit and 11-limit, willy for 2.3.5.13(.19), and some portmanteau for the rank-3 that has all. Wilgar? Possibly something new like Erin? --Eufalesio (talk) 17:18, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

I wouldn’t want to rename a temperament based on one person’s opinions alone. We need to hold some sort of community vote or something. Plus, if we’re disassociating non-schismic commas/temperaments from schismic, then what about the syntonoschisma, slendroschisma, and possibly ones I don’t even know about? hotcrystal0 17:27, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

Let it be held then. I will say however, I don't really care about people changing temps of names if as there's a good reason to change it, like dissociation from a very common temp (like schismic or slendric) or following standard patterns. --Eufalesio (talk) 17:57, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

I don't think garisma fixes it as it's still associated with garibaldi. We have many -schismic names so I don't think that alone constitutes a problem either. I'm in principle not against renaming cassaschismic but I'm only willing to consider canonicalizing it w.r.t. one of the temps I mentioned above (including dual-naming). —FloraC (talk) 18:31, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

I should add I prefer septischisma or even septigarysma to garischisma, like what we have as ennealimma–septiennealimma. —FloraC (talk) 07:16, 18 July 2026 (UTC)

I agree with FloraC here. It’s not much of a problem. hotcrystal0 19:03, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

So Eufalesio and I came to the agreement that the names of this family of temps need another round of assessment.

I maintain that septischisma is the ideal name for the comma. The derived temp name septischismic mirrors aberschismic and orthoschismic. However, this poses the problem of how to name the 2.3.7-subgroup temp. (As a rule, we don't apply the first declension to -schisma, resulting in -schic.) Not changing gary is an option, but ideally we'd want a name that rivals the monumentality of schismic.

Alternatively, septigarisma captures the nature that this is the 2.3.7 comma tempered out in garibaldi, and provides the names septigarismic and septigaric for the 2.3.5.7 and 2.3.7 temps.

Garisma, as I said, doesn't fix any problem, tho its derived temp names garismic and garic are neat.

Then we have cassaschismic, and the question of whether it's canonical w.r.t. garischismic or will. It looks like will and cassachismic aren't as closely related as garischismic and cassaschismic are. I'd say it's best to treat will and cassaschismic as separate temps, so renaming cassaschismic based on will is off the table.

Eufalesio proposes ultimate. I'm afraid this creates ambiguities as ultimate describes a subjective quality that will mean differently to different ppl. In the spirit that rename should demonstrate clear benefits, I think there are only two options for this: either we make it canonical, adopting the changed name of garischismic, or we don't change anything.

—FloraC (talk) 14:25, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

I don’t think ultimate is a good name, but septischisma/septimal schisma could work (though I don’t fully support renaming this temp yet). hotcrystal0 15:56, 13 August 2026 (UTC)