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'''5 equal divisions of the octave''' (or '''5edo''') is the [[tuning system]] derived by dividing the [[octave]] into 5 equal steps of 240 [[cent]]s each, or the fifth root of two. 5edo is the third [[prime edo]], after [[2edo|2edo]] and [[3edo|3edo]]. Most importantly, 5edo is the smallest [[edo]] containing xenharmonic intervals — 1edo, 2edo, 3edo, and 4edo are all subsets of [[12edo|12edo]]. | '''5 equal divisions of the octave''' (or '''5edo''') is the [[tuning system]] derived by dividing the [[octave]] into 5 equal steps of 240 [[cent]]s each, or the fifth root of two. 5edo is the third [[prime edo]], after [[2edo|2edo]] and [[3edo|3edo]]. Most importantly, 5edo is the smallest [[edo]] containing xenharmonic intervals — 1edo, 2edo, 3edo, and 4edo are all subsets of [[12edo|12edo]]. | ||
== Theory == | ==Theory== | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|5|intervals=odd}} | {{Harmonics in equal|5|intervals=odd}} | ||
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In addition, considering 5edo as a no-5s temperament improves its standing significantly. It is especially prominent as a simple 2.3.7 temperament with high relative accuracy (the next EDO doing it better being [[17edo|17]]), and is the optimal patent val for the no-5s [[Trienstonic clan|trienstonic]] (or [[Color notation/Temperament Names|Zo]]) temperament. | In addition, considering 5edo as a no-5s temperament improves its standing significantly. It is especially prominent as a simple 2.3.7 temperament with high relative accuracy (the next EDO doing it better being [[17edo|17]]), and is the optimal patent val for the no-5s [[Trienstonic clan|trienstonic]] (or [[Color notation/Temperament Names|Zo]]) temperament. | ||
== Intervals == | == Intervals== | ||
{| class="wikitable center-all" | {| class="wikitable center-all" | ||
! Steps | !Steps | ||
! [[Cent]]s | ![[Cent]]s | ||
! Closest diatonic <br>interval name | !Closest diatonic <br>interval name | ||
! The "neighborhood" of just intervals | !The "neighborhood" of just intervals | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 0 | |0 | ||
| 0 | |0 | ||
| unison / prime | |unison / prime | ||
| '''1/1''' | | '''1/1''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | |1 | ||
| 240 | |240 | ||
| second, third | |second, third | ||
| +8.826¢ from septimal second [[8/7]] <br>-4.969¢ from diminished third [[144/125]] <br>-13.076¢ from augmented second [[125/108]] <br>-26.871¢ from septimal minor third [[7/6]] | | +8.826¢ from septimal second [[8/7]] <br>-4.969¢ from diminished third [[144/125]] <br>-13.076¢ from augmented second [[125/108]] <br>-26.871¢ from septimal minor third [[7/6]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
| 480 | |480 | ||
| fourth | |fourth | ||
| +9.219¢ from narrow fourth [[21/16]] <br>-0.686¢ from smaller fourth [[33/25]] <br>-18.045¢ from just fourth [[4/3]] | | +9.219¢ from narrow fourth [[21/16]] <br>-0.686¢ from smaller fourth [[33/25]] <br>-18.045¢ from just fourth [[4/3]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 3 | | 3 | ||
| 720 | |720 | ||
| fifth | |fifth | ||
| +18.045¢ from just fifth [[3/2]] <br>+0.686¢ from bigger fifth [[50/33]] <br>-9.219¢ from wide fifth [[32/21]] | | +18.045¢ from just fifth [[3/2]] <br>+0.686¢ from bigger fifth [[50/33]] <br>-9.219¢ from wide fifth [[32/21]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 4 | |4 | ||
| 960 | | 960 | ||
| sixth, seventh | |sixth, seventh | ||
| +26.871¢ from septimal major sixth [[12/7]] <br>+13.076¢ from diminished seventh [[216/125]] <br>+4.969¢ from augmented sixth [[125/72]] <br>-8.826¢ from septimal seventh [[7/4]] | | +26.871¢ from septimal major sixth [[12/7]] <br>+13.076¢ from diminished seventh [[216/125]] <br>+4.969¢ from augmented sixth [[125/72]] <br>-8.826¢ from septimal seventh [[7/4]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 5 | |5 | ||
| 1200 | |1200 | ||
| octave | |octave | ||
| '''2/1''' | |'''2/1''' | ||
|} | |} | ||
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[[:File:5ed2-001.svg|5ed2-001.svg]] | [[:File:5ed2-001.svg|5ed2-001.svg]] | ||
== Notation == | ==Notation== | ||
* via Reinhard's cents notation | *via Reinhard's cents notation | ||
* naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C | *naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C | ||
* a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff. | *a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff. | ||
[[Kite Giedraitis]] has proposed a pentatonic notation that retains the appearance of heptatonic names, to avoid the confusion caused by one's lifelong association of "fourth" with 4/3, not 3/2. The interval names are unisoid, subthird, fourthoid, fifthoid, subseventh and octoid, or 1d s3 4d 5d s7 8d. When notating larger edos such as 8 or 13, there are major or minor sub3rds and sub7ths. Note that 15/8 is an octoid. | [[Kite Giedraitis]] has proposed a pentatonic notation that retains the appearance of heptatonic names, to avoid the confusion caused by one's lifelong association of "fourth" with 4/3, not 3/2. The interval names are unisoid, subthird, fourthoid, fifthoid, subseventh and octoid, or 1d s3 4d 5d s7 8d. When notating larger edos such as 8 or 13, there are major or minor sub3rds and sub7ths. Note that 15/8 is an octoid. | ||
== Observations == | ==Observations== | ||
=== Related scales === | ===Related scales=== | ||
* By its cardinality, 5edo is related to other [[pentatonic]] scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian [[slendro]]s. | *By its cardinality, 5edo is related to other [[pentatonic]] scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian [[slendro]]s. | ||
* Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many [[nonoctave]] "stretch sisters" to 5edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc. | *Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many [[nonoctave]] "stretch sisters" to 5edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc. | ||
* For the same reason there are many "circle sisters": | *For the same reason there are many "circle sisters": | ||
** Make a chain of five "bigger fifths" (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5 = 7.985099. | **Make a chain of five "bigger fifths" (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5 = 7.985099. | ||
=== Cycles, Divisions === | ===Cycles, Divisions=== | ||
5 is a prime number so 5edo contains no sub-edos. Only simple cycles: | 5 is a prime number so 5edo contains no sub-edos. Only simple cycles: | ||
* Cycle of seconds: 0-1-2-3-4-0 | *Cycle of seconds: 0-1-2-3-4-0 | ||
* Cycle of fourths: 0-2-4-1-3-0 | *Cycle of fourths: 0-2-4-1-3-0 | ||
* Cycle of fifths: 0-3-1-4-2-0 | *Cycle of fifths: 0-3-1-4-2-0 | ||
* Cycle of sevenths: 0-4-3-2-1-0 | *Cycle of sevenths: 0-4-3-2-1-0 | ||
=== Harmony === | ===Harmony=== | ||
5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable. | 5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable. | ||
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Important chords: | Important chords: | ||
* 0+1+3 | *0+1+3 | ||
* 0+2+3 | *0+2+3 | ||
* 0+1+3+4 | *0+1+3+4 | ||
* 0+2+3+4 | * 0+2+3+4 | ||
=== Melody === | === Melody=== | ||
Smallest edo that can be used for melodies in a "standard" way. The relatively large step of 240 cents can be used as major second for the melody construction. The scale has whole-tone as well as pentatonic character. | Smallest edo that can be used for melodies in a "standard" way. The relatively large step of 240 cents can be used as major second for the melody construction. The scale has whole-tone as well as pentatonic character. | ||
=== Chord or scale? === | ===Chord or scale?=== | ||
Either way, it is hard to wander very far from where you start. However, it has the scale-like feature that there are (barely) enough notes to create melody, in the form of an equal version of pentatonic. | Either way, it is hard to wander very far from where you start. However, it has the scale-like feature that there are (barely) enough notes to create melody, in the form of an equal version of pentatonic. | ||
== Commas == | ==Commas== | ||
5edo [[tempers out]] the following [[comma]]s. This assumes the [[val]] {{val| 5 8 12 14 17 19 }}. | 5edo [[tempers out]] the following [[comma]]s. This assumes the [[val]] {{val| 5 8 12 14 17 19 }}. | ||
{| class="commatable wikitable center-1 center-2 right-4 center-5" | {| class="commatable wikitable center-1 center-2 right-4 center-5" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! [[Harmonic limit|Prime<br>Limit]] | ![[Harmonic limit|Prime<br>Limit]] | ||
! [[Ratio]]<ref>Ratios longer than 10 digits are presented by placeholders with informative hints</ref> | ! [[Ratio]]<ref>Ratios longer than 10 digits are presented by placeholders with informative hints</ref> | ||
! [[Monzo]] | ![[Monzo]] | ||
! [[Cent]]s | ![[Cent]]s | ||
! [[Color name]] | ![[Color name]] | ||
! Name(s) | !Name(s) | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 3 | |3 | ||
| [[256/243]] | | [[256/243]] | ||
| {{monzo| 8 -5 }} | | | ||
| 90.225 | {{monzo| 8 -5 }} | ||
| Sawa | |90.225 | ||
| Limma, Pythagorean diatonic semitone | |Sawa | ||
|Limma, Pythagorean diatonic semitone | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 5 | |5 | ||
| [[27/25]] | | [[27/25]] | ||
| {{monzo| 0 3 -2 }} | |{{monzo| 0 3 -2 }} | ||
| 133.238 | |133.238 | ||
| Gugu | |Gugu | ||
| Large limma | | Large limma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 5 | | 5 | ||
| [[16/15]] | |[[16/15]] | ||
| {{monzo| 4 -1 -1 }} | |{{monzo| 4 -1 -1 }} | ||
| 111.731 | |111.731 | ||
| Gubi | |Gubi | ||
| Classic diatonic semitone | |Classic diatonic semitone | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 5 | | 5 | ||
| [[81/80]] | |[[81/80]] | ||
| {{monzo| -4 4 -1 }} | |{{monzo| -4 4 -1 }} | ||
| 21.506 | |21.506 | ||
| Gu | |Gu | ||
| Syntonic comma, Didymus comma, meantone comma | |Syntonic comma, Didymus comma, meantone comma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 5 | |5 | ||
| [[10485760000/10460353203|(22 digits)]] | |[[10485760000/10460353203|(22 digits)]] | ||
| {{monzo| 24 -21 4 }} | |{{monzo| 24 -21 4 }} | ||
| 4.200 | |4.200 | ||
| Sasa-quadyo | |Sasa-quadyo | ||
| [[Vulture]] | | [[Vulture]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | |7 | ||
| [[36/35]] | |[[36/35]] | ||
| {{monzo| 2 2 -1 -1 }} | | {{monzo| 2 2 -1 -1 }} | ||
| 48.770 | | 48.770 | ||
| Rugu | |Rugu | ||
| Septimal quarter tone | |Septimal quarter tone | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | | 7 | ||
| [[49/48]] | |[[49/48]] | ||
| {{monzo| -4 -1 0 2 }} | | {{monzo| -4 -1 0 2 }} | ||
| 35.697 | |35.697 | ||
| Zozo | |Zozo | ||
| Slendro diesis | |Slendro diesis | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | |7 | ||
| [[64/63]] | |[[64/63]] | ||
| {{monzo| 6 -2 0 -1 }} | | {{monzo| 6 -2 0 -1 }} | ||
| 27.264 | |27.264 | ||
| Ru | |Ru | ||
| Septimal comma, Archytas' comma, Leipziger Komma | | Septimal comma, Archytas' comma, Leipziger Komma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | |7 | ||
| [[245/243]] | |[[245/243]] | ||
| {{monzo| 0 -5 1 2 }} | |{{monzo| 0 -5 1 2 }} | ||
| 14.191 | |14.191 | ||
| Zozoyo | |Zozoyo | ||
| Sensamagic | |Sensamagic | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | | 7 | ||
| [[1728/1715]] | |[[1728/1715]] | ||
| {{monzo| 6 3 -1 -3 }} | | {{monzo| 6 3 -1 -3 }} | ||
| 13.074 | | 13.074 | ||
| Triru-agu | |Triru-agu | ||
| Orwellisma, Orwell comma | |Orwellisma, Orwell comma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | | 7 | ||
| [[1029/1024]] | | [[1029/1024]] | ||
| {{monzo| -10 1 0 3 }} | |{{monzo| -10 1 0 3 }} | ||
| 8.433 | | 8.433 | ||
| Latrizo | |Latrizo | ||
| Gamelisma | |Gamelisma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | |7 | ||
| [[19683/19600]] | |[[19683/19600]] | ||
| {{monzo| -4 9 -2 -2 }} | | {{monzo| -4 9 -2 -2 }} | ||
| 7.316 | |7.316 | ||
| Labiruru | |Labiruru | ||
| Cataharry | |Cataharry | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | |7 | ||
| [[5120/5103]] | | [[5120/5103]] | ||
| {{monzo| 10 -6 1 -1 }} | | {{monzo| 10 -6 1 -1 }} | ||
| 5.758 | | 5.758 | ||
| Saruyo | |Saruyo | ||
| Hemifamity | |Hemifamity | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | |7 | ||
| <abbr title="201768035/201326592">(18 digits)</abbr> | |<abbr title="201768035/201326592">(18 digits)</abbr> | ||
| {{monzo| -26 -1 1 9 }} | | {{monzo| -26 -1 1 9 }} | ||
| 3.792 | |3.792 | ||
| Latritrizo-ayo | |Latritrizo-ayo | ||
| [[Wadisma]] | |[[Wadisma]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | |7 | ||
| <abbr title="420175/419904">(12 digits)</abbr> | |<abbr title="420175/419904">(12 digits)</abbr> | ||
| {{monzo| -6 -8 2 5 }} | |{{monzo| -6 -8 2 5 }} | ||
| 1.117 | |1.117 | ||
| Quinzo-ayoyo | |Quinzo-ayoyo | ||
| [[Wizma]] | |[[Wizma]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 11 | |11 | ||
| [[11/10]] | | [[11/10]] | ||
| {{monzo| -1 0 -1 0 1 }} | |{{monzo| -1 0 -1 0 1 }} | ||
| 165.004 | | 165.004 | ||
| Logu | |Logu | ||
| Large undecimal neutral 2nd | | Large undecimal neutral 2nd | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 11 | | 11 | ||
| [[99/98]] | | [[99/98]] | ||
| {{monzo| -1 2 0 -2 1 }} | | | ||
| 17.576 | {{monzo| -1 2 0 -2 1 }} | ||
| Loruru | |17.576 | ||
| Mothwellsma | |Loruru | ||
|Mothwellsma | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 11 | | 11 | ||
| [[896/891]] | |[[896/891]] | ||
| {{monzo| 7 -4 0 1 -1 }} | |{{monzo| 7 -4 0 1 -1 }} | ||
| 9.688 | |9.688 | ||
| Saluzo | |Saluzo | ||
| Pentacircle | |Pentacircle | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 11 | |11 | ||
| [[385/384]] | | [[385/384]] | ||
| {{monzo| -7 -1 1 1 1 }} | |{{monzo| -7 -1 1 1 1 }} | ||
| 4.503 | | 4.503 | ||
| Lozoyo | |Lozoyo | ||
| Keenanisma | |Keenanisma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 11 | | 11 | ||
| [[441/440]] | | [[441/440]] | ||
| {{monzo| -3 2 -1 2 -1 }} | | | ||
| 3.930 | {{monzo| -3 2 -1 2 -1 }} | ||
| Luzozogu | |3.930 | ||
| Werckisma | |Luzozogu | ||
|Werckisma | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 11 | | 11 | ||
| [[3025/3024]] | | [[3025/3024]] | ||
| {{monzo| -4 -3 2 -1 2 }} | | | ||
| 0.572 | {{monzo| -4 -3 2 -1 2 }} | ||
| Loloruyoyo | |0.572 | ||
|Loloruyoyo | |||
| Lehmerisma | | Lehmerisma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 13 | |13 | ||
| [[14/13]] | |[[14/13]] | ||
| {{monzo| 1 0 0 1 0 -1 }} | |{{monzo| 1 0 0 1 0 -1 }} | ||
| 128.298 | |128.298 | ||
| Thuzo | |Thuzo | ||
| Tridecimal 2/3-tone, trienthird | |Tridecimal 2/3-tone, trienthird | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 13 | |13 | ||
| [[91/90]] | |[[91/90]] | ||
| {{monzo| -1 -2 -1 1 0 1 }} | |{{monzo| -1 -2 -1 1 0 1 }} | ||
| 19.130 | |19.130 | ||
| Thozogu | |Thozogu | ||
| Superleap | |Superleap | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 13 | | 13 | ||
| [[676/675]] | | [[676/675]] | ||
| {{monzo| 2 -3 -2 0 0 2 }} | |{{monzo| 2 -3 -2 0 0 2 }} | ||
| 2.563 | |2.563 | ||
| Bithogu | |Bithogu | ||
| Island comma, parizeksma | |Island comma, parizeksma | ||
|} | |} | ||
<references/> | <references /> | ||
== Ear Training == | ==Ear Training== | ||
5edo ear-training exercises by Alex Ness available here: | 5edo ear-training exercises by Alex Ness available here: | ||
* https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwsXD8q2VCYUT3VEZUVmeVZUcmc&usp=drive_web | *https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwsXD8q2VCYUT3VEZUVmeVZUcmc&usp=drive_web | ||
For any musician, there is no substitute for the experience of a particular xenharmonic sound. The user going by the name Hyacinth on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons has many xenharmonic MIDI's and has graciously copylefted them! This is his 5-TET scale MIDI: | For any musician, there is no substitute for the experience of a particular xenharmonic sound. The user going by the name Hyacinth on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons has many xenharmonic MIDI's and has graciously copylefted them! This is his 5-TET scale MIDI: | ||
* http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5-tet_scale_on_C.mid | *http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5-tet_scale_on_C.mid | ||
== Music == | ==Music== | ||
{| class="wikitable sortable" | {| class="wikitable sortable" | ||
!Title | !Title | ||
!Composer | ! Composer | ||
!Year | !Year | ||
!Genre | !Genre | ||
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|- | |- | ||
|data-sort-value="Winter Forest (from Edolian)"|[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh2EUwg34pk "Winter Forest"] (from [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg1YtcJbLxnwTJkG4m0BWZWxIHj7ScdNn ''Edolian'']) | | data-sort-value="Winter Forest (from Edolian)" |[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh2EUwg34pk "Winter Forest"] (from [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg1YtcJbLxnwTJkG4m0BWZWxIHj7ScdNn ''Edolian'']) | ||
|NullPointerException Music | |NullPointerException Music | ||
|2020 | |2020 | ||
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|- | |- | ||
|data-sort-value="Ether (from STAFFcirc vol. 7)"|"[https://soundcloud.com/sexytoadsandfrogsfriendcircle/5-vince-kaichan-ether Ether]" (from [https://soundcloud.com/sexytoadsandfrogsfriendcircle/sets/staffcirc-vol-7-terra-octava ''STAFFcirc vol. 7'']) | | data-sort-value="Ether (from STAFFcirc vol. 7)" |"[https://soundcloud.com/sexytoadsandfrogsfriendcircle/5-vince-kaichan-ether Ether]" (from [https://soundcloud.com/sexytoadsandfrogsfriendcircle/sets/staffcirc-vol-7-terra-octava ''STAFFcirc vol. 7'']) | ||
|Vince Kaichan | |Vince Kaichan | ||
|2021 | |2021 | ||
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|} | |} | ||
* [[Brian McLaren]]: various and sundry | *[[Brian McLaren]]: various and sundry | ||
* [[Paul Rubenstein]]: various, with electric guitars in 10- and 15edo | *[[Paul Rubenstein]]: various, with electric guitars in 10- and 15edo | ||
There is also much 5edo-like world music, just search for "gyil" or "amadinda" or "slendro". | There is also much 5edo-like world music, just search for "gyil" or "amadinda" or "slendro". | ||