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==== 17-limit ====
===== Semihemiwürat =====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


Comma list: 289/288, 442/441, 561/560, 676/675, 1632/1625
Comma list: 289/288, 442/441, 561/560, 676/675, 1632/1625


Mapping: [{{val|2 14 6 9 -10 25 19}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5 25 -26 -16}}]
Mapping: [{{val| 2 14 6 9 -10 25 19 }}, {{val| 0 -16 -2 -5 25 -26 -16 }}]


POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.911
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.9112


Vals: {{Val list| 62e, 68, 130, 198, 328g, 526cfgg }}
Vals: {{Val list| 62e, 68, 130, 198, 328g, 526cfgg }}
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Badness: 0.028987
Badness: 0.028987


==== 19-limit ====
====== 19-limit ======
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19


Comma list: 289/288, 442/441, 456/455, 476/475, 561/560, 627/625
Comma list: 289/288, 442/441, 456/455, 476/475, 561/560, 627/625


Mapping: [{{val|2 14 6 9 -10 25 19 20}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5 25 -26 -16 -17}}]
Mapping: [{{val| 2 14 6 9 -10 25 19 20 }}, {{val| 0 -16 -2 -5 25 -26 -16 -17 }}]


POTE generator: ~19/17 = 193.915
POTE generator: ~19/17 = 193.9145


Vals: {{Val list| 62e, 68, 130, 198, 328g, 526cfgg }}
Vals: {{Val list| 62e, 68, 130, 198, 328g, 526cfgg }}


Badness: 0.021707
Badness: 0.021707
===== Semihemiwürand =====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Comma list: 256/255, 676/675, 715/714, 1001/1000, 1225/1224
Mapping: [{{val| 2 14 6 9 -10 25 -4 }}, {{val| 0 -16 -2 -5 25 -26 18 }}]
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.9112
Vals: {{Val list| 62eg, 68, 130g, 198g }}
Badness: 0.029718
====== 19-limit ======
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19
Comma list: 256/255, 286/285, 400/399, 476/475, 495/494, 1225/1224
Mapping: [{{val| 2 14 6 9 -10 25 -4 -3 }}, {{val| 0 -16 -2 -5 25 -26 18 17 }}]
POTE generator: ~19/17 = 193.9428
Vals: {{Val list| 62egh, 68, 130gh, 198gh }}
Badness: 0.029545


== Relationships to other temperaments ==
== Relationships to other temperaments ==

Revision as of 10:54, 3 October 2021

The 5-limit parent comma for the würschmidt family is 393216/390625, known as Würschmidt's comma, and named after José Würschmidt, Its monzo is [17 1 -8, and flipping that yields ⟨⟨ 8 1 17 ]] for the wedgie. This tells us the generator is a classic major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require eight of these. In fact, (5/4)8 × 393216/390625 = 6. 10\31, 11\34 or 21\65 are possible generators and other tunings include 96EDO, 99EDO and 164EDO. Another tuning solution is to sharpen the major third by 1/8th of a Würschmidt comma, which is to say by 1.43 cents, and thereby achieve pure fifths; this is the minimax tuning. Würschmidt is well-supplied with MOS scales, with 10, 13, 16, 19, 22, 25, 28, 31 and 34 note MOS all possibilities.

Würschmidt

(Würschmidt is sometimes spelled Wuerschmidt)

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma: 393216/390625

Mapping: [1 7 3], 0 -8 -1]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.799

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Badness: 0.040603

Music

Extensions

The second comma of the normal comma list defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Würschmidt adds [12 3 -6 -1, worschmidt adds 65625/65536 = [-16 1 5 1, whirrschmidt adds 4375/4374 = [-1 -7 4 1 and hemiwuerschmidt adds 6144/6125 = [11 1 -3 -2.

Septimal Würschmidt

Würschmidt, aside from the commas listed above, also tempers out 225/224. 31EDO or 127EDO can be used as tunings. Würschmidt has ⟨⟨ 8 1 18 -17 6 39 ]] for a wedgie. It extends naturally to an 11-limit version ⟨⟨ 8 1 18 20 … ]] which also tempers out 99/98, 176/175 and 243/242. 127EDO is again an excellent tuning for 11-limit würschmidt, as well as for minerva, the 11-limit rank three temperament tempering out 99/98 and 176/175.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 225/224, 8748/8575

Mapping: [1 7 3 15], 0 -8 -1 -18]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.383

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Badness: 0.050776

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 99/98, 176/175, 243/242

Mapping: [1 7 3 15 17], 0 -8 -1 -18 -20]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.447

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.024413

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 99/98, 144/143, 176/175, 275/273

Mapping: [1 7 3 15 17 1], 0 -8 -1 -18 -20 4]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.626

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.023593

Worseschmidt

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Commas: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 243/242

Mapping: [1 7 3 15 17 22], 0 -8 -1 -18 -20 -27]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.099

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.034382

Worschmidt

Worschmidt tempers out 126/125 rather than 225/224, and can use 31EDO, 34EDO, or 127EDO as a tuning. If 127 is used, note that the val is 127 201 295 356] (127d) and not 127 201 295 357] as with würschmidt. The wedgie now is ⟨⟨ 8 1 -13 -17 -43 -33 ]]. In practice, of course, both mappings could be used ambiguously, which might be an interesting avenue for someone to explore.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 126/125, 33075/32768

Mapping: [1 7 3 -6], 0 -8 -1 13]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.392

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Badness: 0.064614

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 126/125, 243/242, 385/384

Mapping: [1 7 3 -6 17], 0 -8 -1 13 -20]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.407

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.033436

Whirrschmidt

99EDO is such a good tuning for whirrschimdt that we hardly need look any farther. Unfortunately, the temperament while accurate is complex, with ⟨⟨ 8 1 52 -17 60 118 ]] for a wedgie.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 4375/4374, 393216/390625

Mapping: [1 7 3 38], 0 -8 -1 -52]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.881

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Badness: 0.086334

Hemiwürschmidt

Hemiwürschmidt (sometimes spelled Hemiwuerschmidt), which splits the major third in two and uses that for a generator, is the most important of these temperaments even with the rather large complexity for the fifth. It tempers out 3136/3125, 6144/6125 and 2401/2400. 68EDO, 99EDO and 130EDO can all be used as tunings, but 130 is not only the most accurate, it shows how hemiwürschmidt extends to a higher limit temperament, ⟨⟨ 16 2 5 40 -39 -49 -48 28 … ]].

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 3136/3125

Mapping: [1 15 4 7], 0 -16 -2 -5]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 16 2 5 -34 -37 6 ]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.898

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Badness: 0.020307

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 3136/3125

Mapping: [1 15 4 7 37], 0 -16 -2 -5 -40]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.840

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.021069

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 243/242, 351/350, 441/440, 3584/3575

Mapping: [1 15 4 7 37 -29], 0 -16 -2 -5 -40 39]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.829

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.023074

Hemithir

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273

Mapping: [1 15 4 7 37 -3], 0 -16 -2 -5 -40 8]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.918

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.031199

Hemiwur

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 1375/1372

Mapping: [1 15 4 7 11], 0 -16 -2 -5 -9]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.884

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.029270

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273

Mapping: [1 15 4 7 11 -3], 0 -16 -2 -5 -9 8]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 194.004

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.028432

Hemiwar

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 66/65, 105/104, 121/120, 1375/1372

Mapping: [1 15 4 7 11 23], 0 -16 -2 -5 -9 -23]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.698

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.044886

Quadrawürschmidt

This has been documented in Graham Breed's temperament finder as semihemiwürschmidt, but quadrawürschmidt arguably makes more sense.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 3136/3125

Mapping: [1 15 4 7 24], 0 -32 -4 -10 -49]]

Mapping generators: ~2, ~147/110

POTE generator: ~147/110 = 503.0404

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.034814

Semihemiwür

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 2401/2400, 3136/3125, 9801/9800

Mapping: [2 14 6 9 -10], 0 -16 -2 -5 25]]

Mapping generators: ~99/70, ~495/392

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.9021

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.044848

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 676/675, 1001/1000, 1716/1715, 3136/3125

Mapping: [2 14 6 9 -10 25], 0 -16 -2 -5 25 -26]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.9035

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.023388

Semihemiwürat

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 289/288, 442/441, 561/560, 676/675, 1632/1625

Mapping: [2 14 6 9 -10 25 19], 0 -16 -2 -5 25 -26 -16]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.9112

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.028987

19-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19

Comma list: 289/288, 442/441, 456/455, 476/475, 561/560, 627/625

Mapping: [2 14 6 9 -10 25 19 20], 0 -16 -2 -5 25 -26 -16 -17]]

POTE generator: ~19/17 = 193.9145

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.021707

Semihemiwürand

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 256/255, 676/675, 715/714, 1001/1000, 1225/1224

Mapping: [2 14 6 9 -10 25 -4], 0 -16 -2 -5 25 -26 18]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.9112

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.029718

19-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19

Comma list: 256/255, 286/285, 400/399, 476/475, 495/494, 1225/1224

Mapping: [2 14 6 9 -10 25 -4 -3], 0 -16 -2 -5 25 -26 18 17]]

POTE generator: ~19/17 = 193.9428

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.029545

Relationships to other temperaments

2-Würschmidt, the temperament with all the same commas as Würschmidt but a generator of twice the size, is equivalent to skwares as a 2.3.7.11 temperament.