Talk:Kite's ups and downs notation: Difference between revisions
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Consider a score that had D with only a sharp followed by D with only an up. Is the second note read as ^D or ^D#? In [[Diamond-mos notation]], we have the standard that each accidental completely overrides previous accidentals, so the second note would be ^D (written D^ in diamond-mos). Does the Ups and Downs standard have the same rule? Some people on discord agree with it, but the article doesn't make it clear. [[User:SupahstarSaga|SupahstarSaga]] ([[User talk:SupahstarSaga|talk]]) 02:03, 31 July 2021 (UTC) | Consider a score that had D with only a sharp followed by D with only an up. Is the second note read as ^D or ^D#? In [[Diamond-mos notation]], we have the standard that each accidental completely overrides previous accidentals, so the second note would be ^D (written D^ in diamond-mos). Does the Ups and Downs standard have the same rule? Some people on discord agree with it, but the article doesn't make it clear. [[User:SupahstarSaga|SupahstarSaga]] ([[User talk:SupahstarSaga|talk]]) 02:03, 31 July 2021 (UTC) | ||
: According to [[Kite's Thoughts on 41edo Note Names and Key Signatures#Staff Notation]], it depends on whether ups and downs are treated as independent or dependent. If they're independent, then the second note would be ^D#. If they're dependent, then it would be ^D instead. [[User:Flirora|Flirora]] ([[User talk:Flirora|talk]]) 07:30, 31 July 2021 (UTC) | : According to [[Kite's Thoughts on 41edo Note Names and Key Signatures#Staff Notation]], it depends on whether ups and downs are treated as independent or dependent. If they're independent, then the second note would be ^D#. If they're dependent, then it would be ^D instead. [[User:Flirora|Flirora]] ([[User talk:Flirora|talk]]) 07:30, 31 July 2021 (UTC) | ||
:: Flirora is correct. I will be adding more to my article about 41edo key signatures that will clarify this a bit. I call these cancelling rules. For independent ^v, if N = natural and P = plain, ^vP doesn't cancel #bN, and #bN doesn't cancel ^vP. For dependent ^v, ^vP cancels #bN, and #bN cancels ^vP. P always cancels ^v, just like N always cancels #b. | |||
:: I personally much prefer independent ^v because it greatly reduces the clutter, especially in 41edo. Why say ^ND when you can just say ^D? I realize that's different from established practice, e.g. Saggital and HEJI. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 09:34, 31 July 2021 (UTC) | |||