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The [[Carlos_Gamma|Carlos Gamma]] rank one temperament divides 3/2 into 20 equal parts, 11 of which give a 5/4. This is closely related to the rank two microtemperament tempering out |-29 -11 20>. This temperament, gammic, takes 11 [[generator|generator]] steps to reach 5/4, and 20 to reach 3/2. The generator in question is 1990656/1953125 = |13 5 -9>, which when suitably tempered is very close to 5/171 octaves, which makes for an ideal gammic tuning. As a 5-limit temperament supported by [[171edo|171edo]], [[Schismatic_family|schismatic]] temperament makes for a natural comparison. Schismatic, with a wedgie of <<1 -8 -15|| is plainly much less complex than gammic with wedgie <<20 11 -29||, but people seeking the exotic might prefer gammic even so. The 34-note MOS is interesting, being a 1L33s refinement of the [[34edo|34edo]] tuning. Of course gammic can be tuned to 34, which makes the two equivalent, and would rather remove the point of [[Carlos_Gamma|Carlos Gamma]] if used for it.
The [[Carlos Gamma]] rank one temperament divides 3/2 into 20 equal parts, 11 of which give a 5/4. This is closely related to the rank two microtemperament tempering out {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }}. This temperament, gammic, takes 11 [[generator]] steps to reach 5/4, and 20 to reach 3/2. The generator in question is 1990656/1953125 = {{monzo| 13 5 -9 }}, which when suitably tempered is very close to 5/171 octaves, which makes for an ideal gammic tuning. As a 5-limit temperament supported by [[171edo]], [[Schismatic family|schismatic]] temperament makes for a natural comparison. Schismatic, with a wedgie of <<1 -8 -15|| is plainly much less complex than gammic with wedgie <<20 11 -29||, but people seeking the exotic might prefer gammic even so. The 34-note MOS is interesting, being a 1L33s refinement of the [[34edo]] tuning. Of course gammic can be tuned to 34, which makes the two equivalent, and would rather remove the point of [[Carlos Gamma]] if used for it.


Because 171 is such a strong [[7-limit|7-limit]] system, it is natural to extend gammic to the 7-limit. This we may do by adding 4375/4374 to the comma list, giving a wedgie of <<20 11 96 -29 96 192||. 96 gammic generators finally reach 7, which is a long way to go compared to the 39 generator steps of pontiac. If someone wants to make the trip, a 103-note MOS is possible.
Because 171 is such a strong [[7-limit]] system, it is natural to extend gammic to the 7-limit. This we may do by adding [[4375/4374]] to the comma list, giving a wedgie of <<20 11 96 -29 96 192||. 96 gammic generators finally reach 7, which is a long way to go compared to the 39 generator steps of pontiac. If someone wants to make the trip, a 103-note MOS is possible.


[[POTE_tuning|POTE generator]]: 35.096
= Gammic =
Comma: {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }}
 
[[POTE generator]]: 35.096


Map: [<1 1 2|, <0 20 11|]
Map: [<1 1 2|, <0 20 11|]


EDOs: [[34edo|34]], 103, 137, 171, 547, 718, 889, 1607
{{EDOs|legend=1| 34, 103, 137, 171, 547, 718, 889, 1607 }}
 
7-limit


= 7-limit =
Commas: 4375/4374, 6591796875/6576668672
Commas: 4375/4374, 6591796875/6576668672


[[POTE_tuning|POTE generator]]: 35.090
[[POTE generator]]: 35.090


Map: [<1 1 2 0|, <0 20 11 96|]
Map: [<1 1 2 0|, <0 20 11 96|]


EDOs: 171, 1402, 1573, 1744, 1915
{{EDOs|legend=1| 171, 1402, 1573, 1744, 1915 }}


===Neptune===
= Neptune=
A more interesting extension is to Neptune, which divides an octave plus a gammic generator in half, to get a 10/7 generator. Neptune adds 2401/2400 to the gammic comma, and may be described as the 68&171 temperament, with wedgie <<40 22 21 -58 -79 -13||. The generator chain goes merrily on, stacking one 10/7 over another. until after eighteen generator steps 6/5 (up nine octaves) is reached. Then in succession we get 12/7, the neutral third, 7/4 and 5/4. Two neutral thirds then gives a fifth, and these intervals with their inverses are the full set of septimal consonances. [[171edo|171edo]] makes a good tuning, and we can also choose to make any of the consonances besides 7/5 and 10/7 just, including the fifth, which gives a tuning extending [[Carlos_Gamma|Carlos Gamma]].  
A more interesting extension is to Neptune, which divides an octave plus a gammic generator in half, to get a 10/7 generator. Neptune adds [[2401/2400]] to the gammic comma, and may be described as the 68&171 temperament, with wedgie <<40 22 21 -58 -79 -13||. The generator chain goes merrily on, stacking one 10/7 over another, until after eighteen generator steps 6/5 (up nine octaves) is reached. Then in succession we get 12/7, the neutral third, 7/4 and 5/4. Two neutral thirds then gives a fifth, and these intervals with their inverses are the full set of septimal consonances. [[171edo]] makes a good tuning, and we can also choose to make any of the consonances besides 7/5 and 10/7 just, including the fifth, which gives a tuning extending [[Carlos Gamma]].  


Adding 385/384 or 1375/1372 to the list of commas allows for an extension to the [[11-limit|11-limit]], where (7/5)^3 equates to 11/4. This may be described as <<40 22 21 -3 ...|| or 68&103, and 171 can still be used as a tuning, with [[val|val]] <171 271 397 480 591|.
Adding 385/384 or 1375/1372 to the list of commas allows for an extension to the [[11-limit]], where (7/5)<sup>3</sup> equates to 11/4. This may be described as &lt;&lt;40 22 21 -3 ...|| or 68&amp;103, and 171 can still be used as a tuning, with [[val|val]] &lt;171 271 397 480 591|.


An article on Neptune as an analog of miracle can be found [http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/6001 here].
An article on Neptune as an analog of miracle can be found [http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/message/6001 here].


[[POTE_tuning|POTE generator]]: 582.452
Commas: 2401/2400, 48828125/48771072
 
[[POTE generator]]: 582.452


Map: [&lt;1 21 13 13|, &lt;0 -40 -22 -21|]
Map: [&lt;1 21 13 13|, &lt;0 -40 -22 -21|]
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Generators: 2, 7/5
Generators: 2, 7/5


EDOs: [[35edo|35]], [[68edo|68]], 103, 171, 1094, 1265, 1436, 1607, 1778
{{EDOs|legend=1| 35, 68, 103, 171, 1094, 1265, 1436, 1607, 1778 }}
 
11-limit


== 11-limit ==
Commas: 385/384, 1375/1372, 2465529759/2441406250
Commas: 385/384, 1375/1372, 2465529759/2441406250


[[POTE_tuning|POTE generator]]: 582.475
[[POTE generator]]: 582.475


Map: [1 21 13 13 2|, &lt;0 -40 -22 -21 3|]
Map: [1 21 13 13 2|, &lt;0 -40 -22 -21 3|]
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Generators: 2, 7/5
Generators: 2, 7/5


EDOs: 35, 68, 103, 171, 274, 445
{{EDOs|legend=1| 35, 68, 103, 171, 274, 445 }}


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