User talk:TallKite

Infobox Interval

Hi Kite, great to see you in action :)
Just one thing that I found a little awkward: you moved the interval name from the textual into the info box in some cases. I think the synopsis should be kept "intact" so you can just read it out loud, IOW copying is better. Thanks for considering my thought.
--Xenwolf (talk) 07:00, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree. Trying to fix it now. We seem to be bumping into each other. --TallKite

By the way, how do I get my comments here to have the date/time stamp on them?

toolbar in editing mode

It's called signature. You place --~~~~ behind your message.
It's also available in the toolbar in editing mode. The second control from the right places this magic sequence into the wiki text. If you preview the change, the replacement is shown, but it's not replaced in the source code until you save the page. There are other magic sequences ~~~~~ (renders as: 20:58, 23 October 2018 (UTC)) for timestamp only ~~~ (renders as: Xenwolf (talk)) for user name only. You see that the leading -- isn't "magic." ;-)
--Xenwolf (talk) 20:58, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks!--TallKite (talk) 21:30, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Changes to Infobox Interval

Thank you for fixing the template. I think it's now better having the parameters in the same order as they (optionally) appear in the page. --Xenwolf (talk) 08:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Delete a page

Members of the Organizer group can delete pages (you are a member). Concerning pages in the article namespace we have currently no convention on when/how to delete them. But there is no need for discussion in case of pages in your own user namespace. Left to the search box there is a [More] with Delete, Move, Protect (these are the function organizers see). BTW: it would be good to have a few words on your user page User:TallKite. Best regards --Xenwolf (talk) 15:41, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Your user page

the personal wiki toolbox is your faithful companion

Hi TallKite,
This is a great. You know that someone's active in the wiki (as shown in article histories or recent changes) can be confusing to others and as to get into contact a bit of information about the editor helps a lot. Another maybe interesting point for having a users page is that you can collect your favorite links there. This eases the access to them a lot: the wiki web interface (every page, every time) contains a link to it in the upper-right corner (see screenshot: the name next to the user icon is a link).
Best regards --Xenwolf (talk) 10:01, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Not following you. I created a users page with my real name and a link to my "People" page, which links to my various websites which have my phone # and e-mail. So I'm very easy to contact. And by favorite links, do you mean my contributions? --TallKite (talk) 05:41, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

The purpose of letting others know how to get in touch with you is perfectly served by the current content of your user page. 🙂 I just wanted to point out that this personal page 1) offers you maximum creative freedom and 2) stands out from most other pages because of its easy accessibility to you. For me personally, my user page is an invaluable resource for all the things I don't have in mind when editing the wiki (e.g. copy templates, todo lists, links). I have learned to appreciate it in the course of my work and that's why I wanted to introduce this possibility to you (so I don't want to push you into anything). --Xenwolf (talk) 06:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh I see, you can use it like a personal notepad. --TallKite (talk) 22:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Quartisma

Hello there! I see that you've noticed the work that Inthar, Flora and I have done in unearthing an obscure unnoticeable comma from the bowels of this wiki and studying it- specifically from the page on 3125edo- and I do appreciate how you've worked out the color notation for it! Thank you! Oh, and just for the record, I'm the one who dubbed this comma the "quartisma". --Aura (talk) 04:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Glad to help! I hope you don't mind that I changed (33/32)^6 = 77/64 to (33/32)^5 = 7/6. Seemed simpler. --TallKite (talk) 00:31, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't mind, seeing as both options are technically correct. --Aura (talk) 00:46, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Kite, we have a problem. Ever since I found this site this site things have gotten very complicated very quickly. I find that we now need to go through and redefine terms according to more rigorous standards than we have been, and to that end I've had to even go so far as to delete data on the Quartismic temperaments page in order to make space for this to occur properly. I'm thinking that the data can be re-entered once we've gotten things straightened out. --Aura (talk) 03:18, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Diatonic Scales

Hey there, Kite! I saw you just posted something on the diatonic scales for the Kite Guitar, so I'm wondering whether or not you've seen my own take on the diatonic scales. Have you? Truth be told I suspect you won't like it, as I prefer 27/16 to 5/3 among other things, but all the same, I can't help but wonder... --Aura (talk) 01:39, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Haven't seen it until just now, thanks for sharing it with me. I like your "Ionic Dorian" naming system, very logical. Yeah, I prefer 5/3 to 27/16, and I don't like 40/27. My approach, like many others, is to use small pitch shifts to avoid such ratios. Thus certain notes are "fuzzy". This lets me get all 6 triads in tune. But even with fuzziness, I find the dorian and locrian scales to be hard to tune well. (As you can see from my Kite Guitar scales page.)

In your dorian scale, I would use 32/27 in place of 77/64. Smaller odd limit, much smaller prime limit too, and avoids a wolf 5th. In your locrian scale, I would use 7/5. Much more consonant than 64/45.

But hey, to each their own. Can't have microtonalists agreeing on too much! :)

--TallKite (talk) 22:20, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

I have to admit that I prefer my scales to be proper, and the options you propose for Dorian and Locrian don't sit well with me as a result. The 7/5 tritone in particular sounds more like a fourth to me than a fifth. Also, I don't like the idea of fuzzy intervals myself- which is why I decided to be brave and attempt to exploit the grave fifth. If you don't like what I'm doing now, then you really won't like what I have in store for the Neapolitan modes- that will be quite a doozy for me as is... As you said though, to each their own! --Aura (talk) 22:47, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Did I mention that dissonance has a way of acting as a propulsive force in music? Just something I thought I'd bring up in case you ever find yourself in a position where you're forced to use some kind of grave fifth or other... --Aura (talk) 22:55, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Help wanted

Hi TallKite,

I saw that you were asked here to help out, but as far as I know the wiki has no such function to notify a user via @username, but maybe I'm wrong about it ... --Xenwolf (talk) 06:46, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

[Technical update] I re-checked the wiki settings. There is really not such a feature available. Wikipedia has an option to get notified if someone links to your user page. --Xenwolf (talk) 06:52, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification, Xenwolf. I will try to answer their questions. --TallKite (talk) 05:04, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Page Split and Reorganization

Hey Kite, so, Xenwolf and I have split the section of the "Quartismic Temperaments" page dealing directly with the quartisma itself into it's own page- Quartisma, while the "Quartismic Temperaments" page itself has been renamed to Quartismic family. In accordance with this, I've decided to add the rank-4 base Quartismic temperament to the page. Now I need help sorting things out and finding good names for the no-fives temperaments. Do you have time to spare for this? --Aura (talk) 21:29, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Kite, I'm also looking for names for both quartismic temperaments that also temper out the escapade comma, and quartismic temperaments that also temper out the the diaschisma. Do you have any ideas? --Aura (talk) 03:42, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

The page reorganization looks good! I do have a system for naming all temperaments based on a prime subgroup. It's detailed at https://en.xen.wiki/w/Color_notation/Temperament_Names. It's quite complicated. Multi-comma temperaments are tricky, because there's an infinite number of commas tempered out. So identical temperaments arise from different commas, yet the temperament name must be unique.

I call the rank-4 2.3.5.7.11 temperament Saquinlu-azo plus Ya. Of course the difference between this and 11-limit JI is inaudible.

Escapade is Sasa-tritriyo, so that plus quartismic makes the Sasa-tritriyo & Saquinlu-azo temperament. Yes, that's a mouthful. That's what happens when the nomenclature is systematic and also has only a small number of terms. Basic information theory says that something has to give. Easy to learn and logical means complex things get long names. And this temperament is *extremely* complex. But this name at 11 syllables is still better than saying "4294967296/4271484375 and 117440512/117406179" out loud! And you can work backwards from the name and derive the prime subgroup, the rank, and the commas. No other name can do that.

Diaschisma is Sagugu, so that makes Sagugu & Saquinlu-azo. Nine syllables, a little better. :)

Not sure what no-fives temperaments you want to name. No-fives quartismic is simply Saquinlu-azo. If for example you also temper out 99/98, that's Loruru & Saquinlu-azo. But there's a rule that's needed to ensure the name is unique: the 1st comma must have only one prime > 3, and it must be the smallest such prime. So you have to eliminale lo/lu by adding 5 of the 1st comma to the 2nd one, to get Satritriru. The final name is Satritriru & Loruru. Notice that the quartisma is no longer part of the name. Often very complex commas tend to get replaced with simpler ones. This is as it should be, because one is far more likely to actually employ a Loruru pump than a Saquinlu-azo pump! And the name should reference the more commonly used commas. Perhaps the most important characteristics of a temperament are the prime subgroup and the pergen. This one's pergen is (P8, P4/9), so it divides the 4th into 9 parts. So you could name it "Zala ninth-fourth". Zala means the 2.3.7.11 prime subgroup. But there will always be other temperaments with the same subgroup and pergen.

Need help for another color name

Hello Kite. I wonder if you've read my post in the FB group. To summarize, I explored a new regular temperament. I've documented it here: Canou family. Could you help me figure out the color name and maybe catalog it in Tour of Regular Temperaments? FloraC (talk) 14:39, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

[4 -14 3 4⟩ is the Saquadzo-atriyo comma. Fun fact, tempering it out divides 81/80 into two Zozoyo commas (245/243). 9801/9800 is the Bilorugu comma. 352/351 is the Thulo comma. 351/350 is Thorugugu.

BTW feel free to tag me on FB if you want color names more promptly. (I check in there more often.)--TallKite (talk) 19:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)