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//The 14-tone scale presents a new situation: while one might use ordinary sharps and flats in addition to conventional naturals for the notes of the 7-tone-equal temperament, it would be misleading and confusing to do so, because there is a 7-tone circle of fifths (admittedly quite distorted) already notatable and nameable as F C G D A E B in the usual manner. But there is no 14-tone circle of fifths. There is simply a second set of 7 fifths in a circle which does not intersect the with the first set. Thus is we think of B-flat and B, or B-natural and F-sharp, the 14-tone-system interval would NOT be a fifth of that system and would not sound like one, since B F would be the very same kind of distorted fifth that C G or A E happens to be in 7 or 14. Our suggestion is to call the new notes of 14, the second set of 7, F* C* G* D* A* E* B*, and use asterisks or arrows or whatever you please on the staff. Or just number the tones as for 13.// | //The 14-tone scale presents a new situation: while one might use ordinary sharps and flats in addition to conventional naturals for the notes of the 7-tone-equal temperament, it would be misleading and confusing to do so, because there is a 7-tone circle of fifths (admittedly quite distorted) already notatable and nameable as F C G D A E B in the usual manner. But there is no 14-tone circle of fifths. There is simply a second set of 7 fifths in a circle which does not intersect the with the first set. Thus is we think of B-flat and B, or B-natural and F-sharp, the 14-tone-system interval would NOT be a fifth of that system and would not sound like one, since B F would be the very same kind of distorted fifth that C G or A E happens to be in 7 or 14. Our suggestion is to call the new notes of 14, the second set of 7, F* C* G* D* A* E* B*, and use asterisks or arrows or whatever you please on the staff. Or just number the tones as for 13.// | ||
The following chart (made by [[Tútim | The following chart (made by [[Tútim Dennsuul Wafiil|TDW]]) shows this recommendation as "standard notation" as well as a proposed alternative. | ||
[[image:Ciclo_Tetradecafonía.png width="456" height="468" caption="Intervallic Cycle of 14 steps Equal per Octave"]] | [[image:Ciclo_Tetradecafonía.png width="456" height="468" caption="Intervallic Cycle of 14 steps Equal per Octave"]] | ||
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==Instruments:== | ==Instruments:== | ||
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//A Tetradecaphonic Guitar. 14-EDO Guitar by Ron Sword (dots photoshopped in, and image reflected across the horizontal axis, by | //A Tetradecaphonic Guitar. 14-EDO Guitar by Ron Sword (dots photoshopped in, and image reflected across the horizontal axis, by Tútim).// | ||
==**Books:**== | ==**Books:**== | ||
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==**Music:**== | ==**Music:**== | ||
[[media type="custom" key="9748118"]] | [[media type="custom" key="9748118"]] | ||
<span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-4c2dab90062954a92dc59831018d92d9"> | <span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-4c2dab90062954a92dc59831018d92d9">//[[http://micro.soonlabel.com/14-et/daily20110610-sax-Riding_The_L.mp3|Riding the L]]//</span> by [[@http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=943|Chris Vaisvil]] | ||
<span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-579db51554bd270599a9397e8446cdb9"> | <span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-579db51554bd270599a9397e8446cdb9">//[[http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/jon-lyle-smith/Thorium%20Road.mp3|Thorium Road]]//</span> by [[Jon Lyle Smith]] | ||
//[[http://archive.org/download/tranSentient/tranSentient.mp3|tranSentient]]// by [[Jon Lyle Smith]] | |||
//[[http://archive.org/download/TheSpectrumOfDesire/the_spectrum_of_desire.mp3|the spectrum of desire]]// by [[Jon Lyle Smith]] | |||
[[https://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/home|This Way to the Egress]] <span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-0135aaddbe40aa681d77552715064991"> | [[https://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/home|This Way to the Egress]] <span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-0135aaddbe40aa681d77552715064991">//[[http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Herman/egress-gpo.mp3|play]]//</span> by [[http://www.io.com/%7Ehmiller/music/index.html|Herman Miller]] | ||
[[http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=145852&songID=3680443|Hyperimprovisation 'Tasty']] <span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-882819e185058b65278d03572ba40da1"> | [[http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=145852&songID=3680443|Hyperimprovisation 'Tasty']] <span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-882819e185058b65278d03572ba40da1">//[[http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Barton/Hyperimprovisation%20Tasty.mp3|play]]//</span> by [[Jacob Barton]] | ||
<span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-285313eab060867d8d5d941dea1d4152"> | <span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-285313eab060867d8d5d941dea1d4152">//[[http://www.h-pi.com/mp3/14ETPrelude.mp3|14ETPrelude]]//</span> by [[Aaron Andrew Hunt]]</pre></div> | ||
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<em>The 14-tone scale presents a new situation: while one might use ordinary sharps and flats in addition to conventional naturals for the notes of the 7-tone-equal temperament, it would be misleading and confusing to do so, because there is a 7-tone circle of fifths (admittedly quite distorted) already notatable and nameable as F C G D A E B in the usual manner. But there is no 14-tone circle of fifths. There is simply a second set of 7 fifths in a circle which does not intersect the with the first set. Thus is we think of B-flat and B, or B-natural and F-sharp, the 14-tone-system interval would NOT be a fifth of that system and would not sound like one, since B F would be the very same kind of distorted fifth that C G or A E happens to be in 7 or 14. Our suggestion is to call the new notes of 14, the second set of 7, F* C* G* D* A* E* B*, and use asterisks or arrows or whatever you please on the staff. Or just number the tones as for 13.</em><br /> | <em>The 14-tone scale presents a new situation: while one might use ordinary sharps and flats in addition to conventional naturals for the notes of the 7-tone-equal temperament, it would be misleading and confusing to do so, because there is a 7-tone circle of fifths (admittedly quite distorted) already notatable and nameable as F C G D A E B in the usual manner. But there is no 14-tone circle of fifths. There is simply a second set of 7 fifths in a circle which does not intersect the with the first set. Thus is we think of B-flat and B, or B-natural and F-sharp, the 14-tone-system interval would NOT be a fifth of that system and would not sound like one, since B F would be the very same kind of distorted fifth that C G or A E happens to be in 7 or 14. Our suggestion is to call the new notes of 14, the second set of 7, F* C* G* D* A* E* B*, and use asterisks or arrows or whatever you please on the staff. Or just number the tones as for 13.</em><br /> | ||
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The following chart (made by <a class="wiki_link" href="/T%C3%BAtim% | The following chart (made by <a class="wiki_link" href="/T%C3%BAtim%20Dennsuul%20Wafiil">TDW</a>) shows this recommendation as &quot;standard notation&quot; as well as a proposed alternative.<br /> | ||
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<em>A Tetradecaphonic Guitar. 14-EDO Guitar by Ron Sword (dots photoshopped in, and image reflected across the horizontal axis, by | <em>A Tetradecaphonic Guitar. 14-EDO Guitar by Ron Sword (dots photoshopped in, and image reflected across the horizontal axis, by Tútim).</em><br /> | ||
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<span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-4c2dab90062954a92dc59831018d92d9"><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://micro.soonlabel.com/14-et/daily20110610-sax-Riding_The_L.mp3" rel="nofollow">Riding the L</a></span> by <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=943" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Chris Vaisvil</a><br /> | <span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-4c2dab90062954a92dc59831018d92d9"><em><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://micro.soonlabel.com/14-et/daily20110610-sax-Riding_The_L.mp3" rel="nofollow">Riding the L</a></em></span> by <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://chrisvaisvil.com/?p=943" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Chris Vaisvil</a><br /> | ||
<span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-579db51554bd270599a9397e8446cdb9"><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/jon-lyle-smith/Thorium%20Road.mp3" rel="nofollow">Thorium Road</a></span> by <a class="wiki_link" href="/Jon%20Lyle%20Smith">Jon Lyle Smith</a><br /> | <span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-579db51554bd270599a9397e8446cdb9"><em><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/jon-lyle-smith/Thorium%20Road.mp3" rel="nofollow">Thorium Road</a></em></span> by <a class="wiki_link" href="/Jon%20Lyle%20Smith">Jon Lyle Smith</a><br /> | ||
<a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://archive.org/download/tranSentient/tranSentient.mp3" rel="nofollow">tranSentient</a> by <a class="wiki_link" href="/Jon%20Lyle%20Smith">Jon Lyle Smith</a><br /> | <em><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://archive.org/download/tranSentient/tranSentient.mp3" rel="nofollow">tranSentient</a></em> by <a class="wiki_link" href="/Jon%20Lyle%20Smith">Jon Lyle Smith</a><br /> | ||
<a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://archive.org/download/TheSpectrumOfDesire/the_spectrum_of_desire.mp3" rel="nofollow">the spectrum of desire</a> by <a class="wiki_link" href="/Jon%20Lyle%20Smith">Jon Lyle Smith</a><br /> | <em><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://archive.org/download/TheSpectrumOfDesire/the_spectrum_of_desire.mp3" rel="nofollow">the spectrum of desire</a></em> by <a class="wiki_link" href="/Jon%20Lyle%20Smith">Jon Lyle Smith</a><br /> | ||
<a class="wiki_link_ext" href="https://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/home" rel="nofollow">This Way to the Egress</a> <span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-0135aaddbe40aa681d77552715064991"><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Herman/egress-gpo.mp3" rel="nofollow">play</a></span> by <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.io.com/%7Ehmiller/music/index.html" rel="nofollow">Herman Miller</a><br /> | <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="https://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/home" rel="nofollow">This Way to the Egress</a> <span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-0135aaddbe40aa681d77552715064991"><em><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Herman/egress-gpo.mp3" rel="nofollow">play</a></em></span> by <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.io.com/%7Ehmiller/music/index.html" rel="nofollow">Herman Miller</a><br /> | ||
<a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=145852&amp;songID=3680443" rel="nofollow">Hyperimprovisation 'Tasty'</a> <span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-882819e185058b65278d03572ba40da1"><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Barton/Hyperimprovisation%20Tasty.mp3" rel="nofollow">play</a></span> by <a class="wiki_link" href="/Jacob%20Barton">Jacob Barton</a><br /> | <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=145852&amp;songID=3680443" rel="nofollow">Hyperimprovisation 'Tasty'</a> <span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-882819e185058b65278d03572ba40da1"><em><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Barton/Hyperimprovisation%20Tasty.mp3" rel="nofollow">play</a></em></span> by <a class="wiki_link" href="/Jacob%20Barton">Jacob Barton</a><br /> | ||
<span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-285313eab060867d8d5d941dea1d4152"><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.h-pi.com/mp3/14ETPrelude.mp3" rel="nofollow">14ETPrelude</a></span> by <a class="wiki_link" href="/Aaron%20Andrew%20Hunt">Aaron Andrew Hunt</a></body></html></pre></div> | <span class="ymp-btn-page-play ymp-media-285313eab060867d8d5d941dea1d4152"><em><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.h-pi.com/mp3/14ETPrelude.mp3" rel="nofollow">14ETPrelude</a></em></span> by <a class="wiki_link" href="/Aaron%20Andrew%20Hunt">Aaron Andrew Hunt</a></body></html></pre></div> | ||