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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">=Peppermint 24=  


[[http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/40057|Original article]] by Margo Schulter, on the Yahoo tuning forum, is quoted below. In addition to what it says, it may be noted that the Wilson/Pepper fifth it mentions, of size approximately 704.096 cents, has a precise value of (67 + √5)/118 octaves, which is (40200 + 600 √5)/59 cents.
[http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/40057 Original article] by Margo Schulter, on the Yahoo tuning forum, is quoted below. In addition to what it says, it may be noted that the Wilson/Pepper fifth it mentions, of size approximately 704.096 cents, has a precise value of (67 + √5)/118 octaves, which is (40200 + 600 √5)/59 cents.


=Margo Schulter's article=
=Margo Schulter's article=
An interesting feature of tuning systems, as implemented on keyboards (conventional or alternative), is the [[keyboard mappings|mapping]] of pure or tempered ratios to positions on the keyboard layout.
An interesting feature of tuning systems, as implemented on keyboards (conventional or alternative), is the [[keyboard_mappings|mapping]] of pure or tempered ratios to positions on the keyboard layout.


Here I shall explore the mapping of approximate ratios, and especially of superparticular and other ratios within [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Partch|Harry Partch's]] larger 17-limit set, in the tuning system and keyboard arrangement I call Peppermint 24.
Here I shall explore the mapping of approximate ratios, and especially of superparticular and other ratios within [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Partch Harry Partch's] larger 17-limit set, in the tuning system and keyboard arrangement I call Peppermint 24.


Peppermint 24 takes as its basis a [[Regular Temperaments|regular temperament]] mentioned in [[Erv Wilson|Ervin Wilson]]'s Scale Tree and described on the Tuning List by [[Keenan Pepper]], with a fifth of about 704.096 cents, and a precise ratio of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio|Phi]], the Golden Section (~1.618) between the larger chromatic semitone (e.g. C-C#) at about 128.669 cents and the smaller diatonic semitone (e.g. C#-D) at about 79.522 cents.
Peppermint 24 takes as its basis a [[Regular_Temperaments|regular temperament]] mentioned in [[Erv_Wilson|Ervin Wilson]]'s Scale Tree and described on the Tuning List by [[Keenan_Pepper|Keenan Pepper]], with a fifth of about 704.096 cents, and a precise ratio of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio Phi], the Golden Section (~1.618) between the larger chromatic semitone (e.g. C-C#) at about 128.669 cents and the smaller diatonic semitone (e.g. C#-D) at about 79.522 cents.


In Peppermint 24, two regular 12-note chains of this temperament are placed at a distance of approximately 58.680 cents, so as to yield some pure ratios of 6:7 (~266.871 cents).
In Peppermint 24, two regular 12-note chains of this temperament are placed at a distance of approximately 58.680 cents, so as to yield some pure ratios of 6:7 (~266.871 cents).


Here is a 24-note keyboard arrangement, with an asterisk (*) showing a note on the upper keyboard:
Here is a 24-note keyboard arrangement, with an asterisk (*) showing a note on the upper keyboard:
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    187.349  346.393              683.253    891.445 1050.488
<pre>    187.349  346.393              683.253    891.445 1050.488
       C#*      Eb*                  F#*      G#*    Bb*
       C#*      Eb*                  F#*      G#*    Bb*
   C*        D*          E*      F*        G*        A*      B*    C*
   C*        D*          E*      F*        G*        A*      B*    C*
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   C        D          E      F          G        A        B    C
   C        D          E      F          G        A        B    C
   0      208.191    416.382 495.904    704.096  912.287 1120.478 1200
   0      208.191    416.382 495.904    704.096  912.287 1120.478 1200
 
 
 
 </pre>
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In the following catalogue of some ratio equivalents and mappings, I will focus on intervals no further from just than 8:9 or 9:16, which vary from their pure sizes by about 4.282 cents (twice the tempering of the fifth, at about 2.141 cents wide of 2:3).
In the following catalogue of some ratio equivalents and mappings, I will focus on intervals no further from just than 8:9 or 9:16, which vary from their pure sizes by about 4.282 cents (twice the tempering of the fifth, at about 2.141 cents wide of 2:3).
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As this partial catalogue might suggest, many ratios of 2-3-7-9-11-13 are represented quite accurately, with 14:17:21 and related ratios also closely approximated.
As this partial catalogue might suggest, many ratios of 2-3-7-9-11-13 are represented quite accurately, with 14:17:21 and related ratios also closely approximated.


 
'''1. Multiplex (n:1) and [[superparticular|superparticular]] (n+1:n) intervals'''
**1. Multiplex (n:1) and [[superparticular]] (n+1:n) intervals**


1:2 (1200) -- This is the usual octave (e.g. F3-F4), at a pure 1:2.
1:2 (1200) -- This is the usual octave (e.g. F3-F4), at a pure 1:2.
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27:28 (62.96) -- QD (e.g. E4-E*4, 58.68, -4.28)
27:28 (62.96) -- QD (e.g. E4-E*4, 58.68, -4.28)


 
'''2. Other ratios -- many within 17-odd limit'''
**2. Other ratios -- many within 17-odd limit**


4:7 (968.83) -- Major sixth + QD (e.g. G3-E*4, 970.97, +2.14)
4:7 (968.83) -- Major sixth + QD (e.g. G3-E*4, 970.97, +2.14)
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28:33 (284.45) -- Usual minor third (e.g. E4-G4, 287.71, +3.27)
28:33 (284.45) -- Usual minor third (e.g. E4-G4, 287.71, +3.27)


33:56 (915.55) -- Usual major sixth (e.g. G4-E5, 912.29, -3.27)</pre></div>
33:56 (915.55) -- Usual major sixth (e.g. G4-E5, 912.29, -3.27)
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&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/40057" rel="nofollow"&gt;Original article&lt;/a&gt; by Margo Schulter, on the Yahoo tuning forum, is quoted below. In addition to what it says, it may be noted that the Wilson/Pepper fifth it mentions, of size approximately 704.096 cents, has a precise value of (67 + √5)/118 octaves, which is (40200 + 600 √5)/59 cents.&lt;br /&gt;
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An interesting feature of tuning systems, as implemented on keyboards (conventional or alternative), is the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/keyboard%20mappings"&gt;mapping&lt;/a&gt; of pure or tempered ratios to positions on the keyboard layout.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here I shall explore the mapping of approximate ratios, and especially of superparticular and other ratios within &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Partch" rel="nofollow"&gt;Harry Partch's&lt;/a&gt; larger 17-limit set, in the tuning system and keyboard arrangement I call Peppermint 24.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Peppermint 24 takes as its basis a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Regular%20Temperaments"&gt;regular temperament&lt;/a&gt; mentioned in &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Erv%20Wilson"&gt;Ervin Wilson&lt;/a&gt;'s Scale Tree and described on the Tuning List by &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Keenan%20Pepper"&gt;Keenan Pepper&lt;/a&gt;, with a fifth of about 704.096 cents, and a precise ratio of &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio" rel="nofollow"&gt;Phi&lt;/a&gt;, the Golden Section (~1.618) between the larger chromatic semitone (e.g. C-C#) at about 128.669 cents and the smaller diatonic semitone (e.g. C#-D) at about 79.522 cents.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In Peppermint 24, two regular 12-note chains of this temperament are placed at a distance of approximately 58.680 cents, so as to yield some pure ratios of 6:7 (~266.871 cents).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here is a 24-note keyboard arrangement, with an asterisk (*) showing a note on the upper keyboard:&lt;br /&gt;
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      C#*      Eb*                  F#*      G#*    Bb*
  C*        D*          E*      F*        G*        A*      B*    C*
58.680  266.871    475.062  554.584  762.775  970.967  1179.158 1258.680
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    128.669  287.713              624.574    832.765 991.809
        C#      Eb                    F#        G#    Bb
  C        D          E      F          G        A        B    C
  0      208.191    416.382 495.904    704.096  912.287 1120.478 1200
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In the following catalogue of some ratio equivalents and mappings, I will focus on intervals no further from just than 8:9 or 9:16, which vary from their pure sizes by about 4.282 cents (twice the tempering of the fifth, at about 2.141 cents wide of 2:3).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Octave numbers appear in a MIDI-style notation, with C4 as middle C; just ratios and tempered equivalents are given values in cents, shown in parentheses, with tempered variations in cents also shown.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To describe the 58.68-cent interval between the two keyboards, whose addition or subtraction plays a role in obtaining or approximating many ratios, I shall the term &amp;quot;quasi-diesis,&amp;quot; or QD for short. This &amp;quot;artificial&amp;quot; diesis-like interval is actually somewhat larger than the natural diesis in the regular Wilson/Pepper temperament at about 49.15 cents (12 tempered fifths less 7 pure octaves).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As this partial catalogue might suggest, many ratios of 2-3-7-9-11-13 are represented quite accurately, with 14:17:21 and related ratios also closely approximated.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;1. Multiplex (n:1) and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/superparticular"&gt;superparticular&lt;/a&gt; (n+1:n) intervals&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1:2 (1200) -- This is the usual octave (e.g. F3-F4), at a pure 1:2.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2:3 (701.96) -- This is the usual fifth (e.g. F3-C4, 704.10, +2.14).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
3:4 (498.04) -- Usual fourth (e.g. C4-F4, 495.90, -2.14).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
6:7 (266.87) -- Major second + QD (e.g. D4-E*4), at a pure 6:7.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
7:8 (231.17) -- Minor third - QD (e.g. C*4-Eb4, 229.03, -2.14)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
8:9 (203.91) -- Usual major second (e.g. C4-D4, 208.19, +4.28)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
11:12 (150.64) -- Major second - QD (e.g. C*4-D4, 149.51, -1.13)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
12:13 (138.57) -- Minor second + QD (e.g. E4-F*4, 138.20, -0.37)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
13:14 (128.30) -- Usual apotome (e.g. C4-C#4, 128.67, +0.37)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
17:18 (98.95) -- Diminished third - QD (e.g. G#*4-Bb4, 100.36, -1.41)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
21:22 (80.54) -- Usual minor second (e.g. E4-F4, 79.52, -1.02)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
24:25 (70.67) -- Apotome - QD (e.g. E*4-Eb4, 69.99, -0.68)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
27:28 (62.96) -- QD (e.g. E4-E*4, 58.68, -4.28)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;2. Other ratios -- many within 17-odd limit&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
4:7 (968.83) -- Major sixth + QD (e.g. G3-E*4, 970.97, +2.14)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
7:9 (435.08) -- Fourth - QD (e.g. G*4-C5, 437.22, +2.14)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
7:12 (933.13) -- Minor seventh - QD (e.g. G*3-F4), at a pure 7:12.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
9:14 (764.92) -- Fifth + QD (e.g. G4-D*5, 762.78, -2.14)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
9:16 (996.09) -- Usual minor seventh (e.g. G4-F4, 991.81, -4.28)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
6:11 (1049.36) -- Minor seventh + QD (e.g. G3-F*4, 1050.49, +1.13)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
7:11 (782.49) -- Usual minor sixth (e.g. A3-F4, 783.62, +1.13)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
8:11 (551.32) -- Fourth + QD (e.g. G3-C*4, 554.58, +3.27)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
9:11 (347.41) -- Minor third + QD (e.g. G3-Bb*3, 346.39, -1.02)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
8:13 (840.53) -- Minor sixth + QD (e.g. G3-Eb*3, 842.30, +1.77)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
9:13 (636.62) -- Diminished fifth + QD (e.g. A3-Eb*4, 634.11, -2.51)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
11:13 (289.21) -- Usual minor third (e.g. D3-F3, 287.71, -1.50)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
11:14 (417.51) -- Usual major third (e.g. D3-F#3, 416.38, -1.13)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
11:16 (648.68) -- Fifth - QD (e.g. F*3-C4, 645.42, -3.27)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
11:18 (852.59) -- Major sixth - QD (e.g. G*4-E5, 853.61, +1.02)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
11:21 (1119.46) -- Usual major seventh (e.g. F3-E4, 1120.48, +1.02)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
12:17 (603.00) -- Augmented third + QD (e.g. Eb4-G#*4, 603.73, +0.73)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
13:16 (359.47) -- Major third - QD (e.g. C*4-E4, 357.70, -1.77)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
13:18 (563.38) -- Augmented fourth - QD (e.g. C*4-F#4, 565.89, +2.51)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
13:21 (830.25) -- Usual augmented fifth (e.g. C4-G#4, 832.76, +2.51)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
13:22 (910.79) -- Usual major sixth (e.g. G3-E4, 912.29, +1.50)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
13:23 (987.75) -- Usual minor seventh (e.g. D4-C5, 991.81, +4.06)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
13:24 (1061.43) -- Major seventh - QD (e.g. F*3-E4), 1061.80, +0.37)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
14:17 (336.13) -- Usual augmented second (e.g. F4-G#4, 336.86, +0.73)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
14:27 (1137.04) -- Octave - QD (e.g. F*4-F5, 1141.32, +4.28)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
15:17 (216.69) -- Diminished third + QD (e.g. C#4-Eb*4, 217.72, +1.04)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
16:21 (470.71) -- Major third + QD (e.g. C4-E*4, 475.06, +4.28)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
16:23 (628.27) -- Usual augmented fourth (e.g. C4-F#4, 624.57, -3.70)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
18:23 (424.36) -- Diminished fourth + QD (e.g. B4-Eb*5, 425.91, +1.55)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
16:25 (772.63) -- Diminished fourth + QD (e.g. F#4-Bb*4, 774.09, +1.46)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
17:20 (281.36) -- Augmented second - QD (e.g. F*4-G#4, 278.18, -3.18)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
17:21 (365.83) -- Usual diminished fourth (e.g. F#4-Bb4, 367.24, +1.41)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
17:28 (863.87) -- Usual diminished seventh (e.g. F#4-Eb4, 863.14, -0.73)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
21:34 (834.17) -- Usual augmented fifth (e.g. F3-C#4, 832.76, +1.41)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
28:51 (1038.08) -- Usual augmented sixth (e.g. Eb3-C#4, 1040.96, +2.87)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
21:23 (157.49) -- Usual diminished third (e.g. C#4-Eb4, 159.04, +1.55)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
21:26 (369.75) -- Usual diminished fourth (e.g. C#4-F4, 367.24, -1.51)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
23:27 (277.59) -- Augmented second - QD (e.g. Eb*4-F#4, 278.18, +0.59)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
26:33 (412.75) -- Usual major third (e.g. F4-A4, 416.38, +3.63)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
28:33 (284.45) -- Usual minor third (e.g. E4-G4, 287.71, +3.27)&lt;br /&gt;
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33:56 (915.55) -- Usual major sixth (e.g. G4-E5, 912.29, -3.27)&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>