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Aside from 126/125, casablanca tempers out the no-threes comma 823543/819200 and also 589824/588245, and may also be described by its wedgie, <<19 14 4 -22 -47 -30||, or as 31&73. 74/135 or 91/166 supply good tunings for the generator, and 20 and 31 note MOS are available.

It may not seem like casablanca has much to offer, but peering under the hood a bit harder suggests otherwise. For one thing, the 35/24 generator is particularly interesting; like 15/14 and 21/20, it represents an interval between one vertex of a [[Hexany|hexany]] and the opposite vertex, which makes it particularly simple with regard to the cubic lattice of tetrads. For another, if we add 385/384 to the list of commas, 35/24 is identified with 16/11, and casablanca is revealed as an 11-limit temperament with a very low complexity for 11 and not too high a one for 7; we might compare 1, 4, 14, 19, the generator steps to 11, 7, 5 and 3 respectively, with 1, 4, 10, 18, the steps to 3, 5, 7 and 11 in 11-limit meantone.</pre></div>

It may not seem like casablanca has much to offer, but peering under the hood a bit harder suggests otherwise. For one thing, the 35/24 generator is particularly interesting; like 15/14 and 21/20, it represents an interval between one vertex of a [[Hexany|hexany]] and the opposite vertex, which makes it particularly simple with regard to the cubic lattice of tetrads. For another, if we add 385/384 to the list of commas, 35/24 is identified with 16/11, and casablanca is revealed as an 11-limit temperament with a very low complexity for 11 and not too high a one for 7; we might compare 1, 4, 14, 19, the generator steps to 11, 7, 5 and 3 respectively, with 1, 4, 10, 18, the steps to 3, 5, 7 and 11 in 11-limit meantone.

===Nusecond temperament===

Nusecond tempers out 2430/2401 and 16875/16807 in addition to 126/125, and may be described as 31&70, or in terms of its wedgie as <<11 13 17 -5 -4 3||. It has a neutral second generator of 49/45, two of which make up a 6/5 minor third since 2430/2401 is tempered out. [[31edo]] can be used as a tuning, or 132edo with a val which is the sum of the patent vals for 31 and 101. Because 49/45 is flat of 12/11 by only 540/539, nusecond is more naturally thought of as an 11-limit temperament with a combined 12/11 and 11/10 as a generator, tempering out 99/98, 121/120 and 540/539. Because of all the neutral seconds, an exotic Middle Eastern sound comes naturally to nusecond. MOS of 15, 23, or 31 notes are enough to give fuller effect to the harmony, but the 8-note MOS might also be considered from the melodic point of view.</pre></div>

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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Starling temperaments</title></head><body>This page discusses some of the temperaments tempering out 126/125, the starling comma or septimal semicomma. Since (6/5)^3 = 126/125 * 12/7, these temperaments tend to have a relatively small complexity for 6/5. They also possess 6/5-6/5-6/5-7/6 versions of the diminished seventh chord. Since this is a chord of meantone temperament in wide use in Western common practice harmony long before <a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo">12edo</a> established itself as the standard tuning, it is arguably more authentic to tune it as three stacked minor thirds and an augmented second, which is what it is in meantone, than as the modern version of four stacked very flat minor thirds.<br />

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Aside from 126/125, casablanca tempers out the no-threes comma 823543/819200 and also 589824/588245, and may also be described by its wedgie, &lt;&lt;19 14 4 -22 -47 -30||, or as 31&amp;73. 74/135 or 91/166 supply good tunings for the generator, and 20 and 31 note MOS are available.<br />

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It may not seem like casablanca has much to offer, but peering under the hood a bit harder suggests otherwise. For one thing, the 35/24 generator is particularly interesting; like 15/14 and 21/20, it represents an interval between one vertex of a <a class="wiki_link" href="/Hexany">hexany</a> and the opposite vertex, which makes it particularly simple with regard to the cubic lattice of tetrads. For another, if we add 385/384 to the list of commas, 35/24 is identified with 16/11, and casablanca is revealed as an 11-limit temperament with a very low complexity for 11 and not too high a one for 7; we might compare 1, 4, 14, 19, the generator steps to 11, 7, 5 and 3 respectively, with 1, 4, 10, 18, the steps to 3, 5, 7 and 11 in 11-limit meantone.</body></html></pre></div>

It may not seem like casablanca has much to offer, but peering under the hood a bit harder suggests otherwise. For one thing, the 35/24 generator is particularly interesting; like 15/14 and 21/20, it represents an interval between one vertex of a <a class="wiki_link" href="/Hexany">hexany</a> and the opposite vertex, which makes it particularly simple with regard to the cubic lattice of tetrads. For another, if we add 385/384 to the list of commas, 35/24 is identified with 16/11, and casablanca is revealed as an 11-limit temperament with a very low complexity for 11 and not too high a one for 7; we might compare 1, 4, 14, 19, the generator steps to 11, 7, 5 and 3 respectively, with 1, 4, 10, 18, the steps to 3, 5, 7 and 11 in 11-limit meantone.<br />

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<h3 id="toc4"><a name="x--Nusecond temperament"></a>Nusecond temperament</h3>

Nusecond tempers out 2430/2401 and 16875/16807 in addition to 126/125, and may be described as 31&amp;70, or in terms of its wedgie as &lt;&lt;11 13 17 -5 -4 3||. It has a neutral second generator of 49/45, two of which make up a 6/5 minor third since 2430/2401 is tempered out. <a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo">31edo</a> can be used as a tuning, or 132edo with a val which is the sum of the patent vals for 31 and 101. Because 49/45 is flat of 12/11 by only 540/539, nusecond is more naturally thought of as an 11-limit temperament with a combined 12/11 and 11/10 as a generator, tempering out 99/98, 121/120 and 540/539. Because of all the neutral seconds, an exotic Middle Eastern sound comes naturally to nusecond. MOS of 15, 23, or 31 notes are enough to give fuller effect to the harmony, but the 8-note MOS might also be considered from the melodic point of view.</body></html></pre></div>

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 Aside from 126/125, casablanca tempers out the no-threes comma 823543/819200 and also 589824/588245, and may also be described by its wedgie, &lt;&lt;19 14 4 -22 -47 -30||, or as 31&amp;73. 74/135 or 91/166 supply good tunings for the generator, and 20 and 31 note MOS are available.
-It may not seem like casablanca has much to offer, but peering under the hood a bit harder suggests otherwise. For one thing, the 35/24 generator is particularly interesting; like 15/14 and 21/20, it represents an interval between one vertex of a [[Hexany|hexany]] and the opposite vertex, which makes it particularly simple with regard to the cubic lattice of tetrads. For another, if we add 385/384 to the list of commas, 35/24 is identified with 16/11, and casablanca is revealed as an 11-limit temperament with a very low complexity for 11 and not too high a one for 7; we might compare 1, 4, 14, 19, the generator steps to 11, 7, 5 and 3 respectively, with 1, 4, 10, 18, the steps to 3, 5, 7 and 11 in 11-limit meantone.</pre></div>
+It may not seem like casablanca has much to offer, but peering under the hood a bit harder suggests otherwise. For one thing, the 35/24 generator is particularly interesting; like 15/14 and 21/20, it represents an interval between one vertex of a [[Hexany|hexany]] and the opposite vertex, which makes it particularly simple with regard to the cubic lattice of tetrads. For another, if we add 385/384 to the list of commas, 35/24 is identified with 16/11, and casablanca is revealed as an 11-limit temperament with a very low complexity for 11 and not too high a one for 7; we might compare 1, 4, 14, 19, the generator steps to 11, 7, 5 and 3 respectively, with 1, 4, 10, 18, the steps to 3, 5, 7 and 11 in 11-limit meantone.
+===Nusecond temperament===
+Nusecond tempers out 2430/2401 and 16875/16807 in addition to 126/125, and may be described as 31&amp;70, or in terms of its wedgie as &lt;&lt;11 13 17 -5 -4 3||. It has a neutral second generator of 49/45, two of which make up a 6/5 minor third since 2430/2401 is tempered out. [[31edo]] can be used as a tuning, or 132edo with a val which is the sum of the patent vals for 31 and 101. Because 49/45 is flat of 12/11 by only 540/539, nusecond is more naturally thought of as an 11-limit temperament with a combined 12/11 and 11/10 as a generator, tempering out 99/98, 121/120 and 540/539. Because of all the neutral seconds, an exotic Middle Eastern sound comes naturally to nusecond. MOS of 15, 23, or 31 notes are enough to give fuller effect to the harmony, but the 8-note MOS might also be considered from the melodic point of view.</pre></div>
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 Aside from 126/125, casablanca tempers out the no-threes comma 823543/819200 and also 589824/588245, and may also be described by its wedgie, &amp;lt;&amp;lt;19 14 4 -22 -47 -30||, or as 31&amp;amp;73. 74/135 or 91/166 supply good tunings for the generator, and 20 and 31 note MOS are available.&lt;br /&gt;
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-It may not seem like casablanca has much to offer, but peering under the hood a bit harder suggests otherwise. For one thing, the 35/24 generator is particularly interesting; like 15/14 and 21/20, it represents an interval between one vertex of a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Hexany"&gt;hexany&lt;/a&gt; and the opposite vertex, which makes it particularly simple with regard to the cubic lattice of tetrads. For another, if we add 385/384 to the list of commas, 35/24 is identified with 16/11, and casablanca is revealed as an 11-limit temperament with a very low complexity for 11 and not too high a one for 7; we might compare 1, 4, 14, 19, the generator steps to 11, 7, 5 and 3 respectively, with 1, 4, 10, 18, the steps to 3, 5, 7 and 11 in 11-limit meantone.&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
+It may not seem like casablanca has much to offer, but peering under the hood a bit harder suggests otherwise. For one thing, the 35/24 generator is particularly interesting; like 15/14 and 21/20, it represents an interval between one vertex of a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Hexany"&gt;hexany&lt;/a&gt; and the opposite vertex, which makes it particularly simple with regard to the cubic lattice of tetrads. For another, if we add 385/384 to the list of commas, 35/24 is identified with 16/11, and casablanca is revealed as an 11-limit temperament with a very low complexity for 11 and not too high a one for 7; we might compare 1, 4, 14, 19, the generator steps to 11, 7, 5 and 3 respectively, with 1, 4, 10, 18, the steps to 3, 5, 7 and 11 in 11-limit meantone.&lt;br /&gt;
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+Nusecond tempers out 2430/2401 and 16875/16807 in addition to 126/125, and may be described as 31&amp;amp;70, or in terms of its wedgie as &amp;lt;&amp;lt;11 13 17 -5 -4 3||. It has a neutral second generator of 49/45, two of which make up a 6/5 minor third since 2430/2401 is tempered out. &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo"&gt;31edo&lt;/a&gt; can be used as a tuning, or 132edo with a val which is the sum of the patent vals for 31 and 101. Because 49/45 is flat of 12/11 by only 540/539, nusecond is more naturally thought of as an 11-limit temperament with a combined 12/11 and 11/10 as a generator, tempering out 99/98, 121/120 and 540/539. Because of all the neutral seconds, an exotic Middle Eastern sound comes naturally to nusecond. MOS of 15, 23, or 31 notes are enough to give fuller effect to the harmony, but the 8-note MOS might also be considered from the melodic point of view.&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>