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[[ | =Hedgehog= | ||
Hedgehog, with wedgie <<6 10 10 2 -1 -5||, has a period 1/2 octave and a generator which can be taken to be 9/7 instead of 10/9. It also tempers out 245/243, the sensamagic comma. 22et provides the obvious tuning, but if you are looking for an alternative, you could try the <146 232 338 411| val with generator 10\73, or you could try 164 cents if you are fond of round numbers. The 14 note MOS gives scope for harmony while stopping well short of 22. | |||
Commas: 50/49, 245/243 | |||
[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 164.352 | |||
Map: [<2 1 1 2|, <0 3 5 5|] | |||
Wedgie: <<6 10 10 2 -1 -5|| | |||
EDOs: 22, [[146edo|146]] | |||
=Nautilus= | =Nautilus= | ||
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Porcupine family</title></head><body><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule: | <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Porcupine family</title></head><body><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:20:&lt;img id=&quot;wikitext@@toc@@flat&quot; class=&quot;WikiMedia WikiMediaTocFlat&quot; title=&quot;Table of Contents&quot; src=&quot;/site/embedthumbnail/toc/flat?w=100&amp;h=16&quot;/&gt; --><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:20 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:21: --><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:21 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:22: --> | <a href="#Porcupine">Porcupine</a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:22 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:23: --><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:23 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:24: --> | <a href="#Hystrix">Hystrix</a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:24 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:25: --> | <a href="#Hedgehog">Hedgehog</a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:25 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:26: --> | <a href="#Nautilus">Nautilus</a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:26 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:27: --><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:27 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:28: --><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:28 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:29: --> | <a href="#Porky">Porky</a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:29 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:30: --><!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:30 --><!-- ws:start:WikiTextTocRule:31: --> | ||
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The 5-limit parent comma for the porcupine family is 250/243, the maximal <a class="wiki_link" href="/diesis">diesis</a> or porcupine comma. Its <a class="wiki_link" href="/monzo">monzo</a> is |1 -5 3&gt;, and flipping that yields &lt;&lt;3 5 1|| for the <a class="wiki_link" href="/wedgie">wedgie</a>. This tells us the <a class="wiki_link" href="/generator">generator</a> is a minor whole tone, the <a class="wiki_link" href="/10_9">10/9</a> interval, and that three of these add up to a fourth, with two more giving the minor sixth. In fact, (10/9)^3 = 4/3 * 250/243, and (10/9)^5 = 8/5 * (250/243)^2. 3/22 is a very recommendable generator, and MOS of 7, 8 and 15 notes make for some nice scale possibilities.<br /> | The 5-limit parent comma for the porcupine family is 250/243, the maximal <a class="wiki_link" href="/diesis">diesis</a> or porcupine comma. Its <a class="wiki_link" href="/monzo">monzo</a> is |1 -5 3&gt;, and flipping that yields &lt;&lt;3 5 1|| for the <a class="wiki_link" href="/wedgie">wedgie</a>. This tells us the <a class="wiki_link" href="/generator">generator</a> is a minor whole tone, the <a class="wiki_link" href="/10_9">10/9</a> interval, and that three of these add up to a fourth, with two more giving the minor sixth. In fact, (10/9)^3 = 4/3 * 250/243, and (10/9)^5 = 8/5 * (250/243)^2. 3/22 is a very recommendable generator, and MOS of 7, 8 and 15 notes make for some nice scale possibilities.<br /> | ||
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EDOs: <a class="wiki_link" href="/15edo">15</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo">22</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/161edo">161</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/183edo">183</a><br /> | EDOs: <a class="wiki_link" href="/15edo">15</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo">22</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/161edo">161</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/183edo">183</a><br /> | ||
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The second comma of the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists">normal comma list</a> defines which <a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit">7-limit</a> family member we are looking at. That means <a class="wiki_link" href="/64_63">64/63</a>, the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Archyta%27s%20comma">Archyta's comma</a>, for <a class="wiki_link" href="/Porcupine%20family#Porcupine">porcupine</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/36_35">36/35</a>, the <a class="wiki_link" href="/septimal%20quarter%20tone">septimal quarter tone</a>, for <a class="wiki_link" href="/Porcupine%20family#Hystrix">hystrix</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/50_49">50/49</a>, the <a class="wiki_link" href="/jubilisma">jubilisma</a>, for <a class="wiki_link" href="/Porcupine%20family#Hedgehog">hedgehog</a>, and <a class="wiki_link" href="/49_48">49/48</a>, the <a class="wiki_link" href="/slendro%20diesis">slendro diesis</a>, for <a class="wiki_link" href="/Porcupine%20family#Nautilus">nautilus</a>.<br /> | The second comma of the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists">normal comma list</a> defines which <a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit">7-limit</a> family member we are looking at. That means <a class="wiki_link" href="/64_63">64/63</a>, the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Archyta%27s%20comma">Archyta's comma</a>, for <a class="wiki_link" href="/Porcupine%20family#Porcupine">porcupine</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/36_35">36/35</a>, the <a class="wiki_link" href="/septimal%20quarter%20tone">septimal quarter tone</a>, for <a class="wiki_link" href="/Porcupine%20family#Hystrix">hystrix</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/50_49">50/49</a>, the <a class="wiki_link" href="/jubilisma">jubilisma</a>, for <a class="wiki_link" href="/Porcupine%20family#Hedgehog">hedgehog</a>, and <a class="wiki_link" href="/49_48">49/48</a>, the <a class="wiki_link" href="/slendro%20diesis">slendro diesis</a>, for <a class="wiki_link" href="/Porcupine%20family#Nautilus">nautilus</a>.<br /> | ||
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Porcupine, with wedgie &lt;&lt;3 5 -6 1 -18 -28||, uses six of its minor tone generator steps to get to <a class="wiki_link" href="/7_4">7/4</a>. For this to work you need a small minor tone such as <a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo">22edo</a> provides, and once again 3\22 is a good tuning choice, though we might pick in preference 8\59, 11\81, or 19\140 for our generator.<br /> | Porcupine, with wedgie &lt;&lt;3 5 -6 1 -18 -28||, uses six of its minor tone generator steps to get to <a class="wiki_link" href="/7_4">7/4</a>. For this to work you need a small minor tone such as <a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo">22edo</a> provides, and once again 3\22 is a good tuning choice, though we might pick in preference 8\59, 11\81, or 19\140 for our generator.<br /> | ||
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EDOs: 22, <a class="wiki_link" href="/59edo">59</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/81edo">81</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/140edo">140</a><br /> | EDOs: 22, <a class="wiki_link" href="/59edo">59</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/81edo">81</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/140edo">140</a><br /> | ||
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Commas: 55/54, 64/63, 100/99<br /> | Commas: 55/54, 64/63, 100/99<br /> | ||
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Badness: 0.0217<br /> | Badness: 0.0217<br /> | ||
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Hystrix, with wedgie &lt;&lt;3 5 1 1 -7 -12||, provides a less complex avenue to the 7-limit. Unfortunately in temperaments as in life you get what you pay for, and hystrix, for which a generator of 2\15 or 9\68 can be used, is a temperament for the adventurous souls who have probably already tried <a class="wiki_link" href="/15edo">15edo</a>. They can try the even sharper fifth of hystrix in <a class="wiki_link" href="/68edo">68edo</a> and see how that suits.<br /> | Hystrix, with wedgie &lt;&lt;3 5 1 1 -7 -12||, provides a less complex avenue to the 7-limit. Unfortunately in temperaments as in life you get what you pay for, and hystrix, for which a generator of 2\15 or 9\68 can be used, is a temperament for the adventurous souls who have probably already tried <a class="wiki_link" href="/15edo">15edo</a>. They can try the even sharper fifth of hystrix in <a class="wiki_link" href="/68edo">68edo</a> and see how that suits.<br /> | ||
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EDOs: 15, 68<br /> | EDOs: 15, 68<br /> | ||
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Hedgehog, with wedgie &lt;&lt;6 10 10 2 -1 -5||, has a period 1/2 octave and a generator which can be taken to be 9/7 instead of 10/9. It also tempers out 245/243, the sensamagic comma. 22et provides the obvious tuning, but if you are looking for an alternative, you could try the &lt;146 232 338 411| val with generator 10\73, or you could try 164 cents if you are fond of round numbers. The 14 note MOS gives scope for harmony while stopping well short of 22.<br /> | |||
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Commas: 50/49, 245/243<br /> | |||
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: 164.352<br /> | |||
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Map: [&lt;2 1 1 2|, &lt;0 3 5 5|]<br /> | |||
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;6 10 10 2 -1 -5||<br /> | |||
EDOs: 22, <a class="wiki_link" href="/146edo">146</a><br /> | |||
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Commas: 49/48, 250/243<br /> | Commas: 49/48, 250/243<br /> | ||
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EDOs: <a class="wiki_link" href="/14edo">14</a>, 15, <a class="wiki_link" href="/29edo">29</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/44edo">44</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/73edo">73</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/160edo">160</a><br /> | EDOs: <a class="wiki_link" href="/14edo">14</a>, 15, <a class="wiki_link" href="/29edo">29</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/44edo">44</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/73edo">73</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/160edo">160</a><br /> | ||
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Commas: 49/48, 55/54, 245/242<br /> | Commas: 49/48, 55/54, 245/242<br /> | ||
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EDOs: 14, 15, 29, 44, 73, 160<br /> | EDOs: 14, 15, 29, 44, 73, 160<br /> | ||
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Commas: 49/48, 55/54, 91/90, 100/99<br /> | Commas: 49/48, 55/54, 91/90, 100/99<br /> | ||
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EDOs: 14, 15, 29, 44, 73, 160<br /> | EDOs: 14, 15, 29, 44, 73, 160<br /> | ||
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Commas: 225/224, 250/243<br /> | Commas: 225/224, 250/243<br /> | ||
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Badness: 0.0544<br /> | Badness: 0.0544<br /> | ||
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Commas: 55/54, 100/99, 225/224<br /> | Commas: 55/54, 100/99, 225/224<br /> | ||
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