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* Mode 7 and 8 of the harmonic or subharmonic series.  
* Mode 7 and 8 of the harmonic or subharmonic series.  


The 13-limit intervals of the 2.3.13 subgroup, such as [[13/12]] and [[16/13]], are close to neutral intervals, but are further from true (hemipythagorean) neutral intervals than [[2.3.11 subgroup]] intervals, and may thus be termed "subneutral" and "superneutral". In [[superpyth]]agorean systems, however, these intervals become closer to true neutral intervals than the 2.3.11 ones. In contrast, 2.3.11 intervals are closest to true neutral intervals when the fifth is slightly flat of just. This is somewhat analogous to intervals of primes [[5/1|5]] and [[7/1|7]], where flattening the fifth makes pythagorean intervals approximate ratios of 5 via [[meantone]], and sharpening the fifth makes pythagorean intervals approximate ratios of 7 via superpyth. In both cases, sharpening the fifth to approximate higher-limit intervals does more damage than flattening the fifth.
The 13-limit intervals of the [[2.3.13 subgroup]], such as [[13/12]] and [[16/13]], are close to neutral intervals, but are further from true (hemipythagorean) neutral intervals than [[2.3.11 subgroup]] intervals, and may thus be termed "subneutral" and "superneutral".  


As prime limits increase, ratios containing different primes over [[3/1|3]] in the numerator and denominator become more and more important. Such ratios include [[15/14]], [[14/13]], [[11/10]], [[15/13]], [[13/11]], [[14/11]], [[13/10]], [[15/11]], [[7/5]], and their [[octave complement]]s. An example of a way to use these intervals is to build Root-3rd-P5 triads with a 14/11 [[neogothic]] major third or a 13/11 neogothic minor third, leading to the [[22:28:33]] neogothic major triad and the [[22:26:33]] neogothic minor triad. These chords invert to each other if and only if [[364/363]], the minor minthma, is tempered out. Another such chord is [[10:13:15]], which consists of a 13/10 ultramajor third and a [[15/13]] inframinor third. These ratios are approximated well in [[29edo]], and [[mystery]] temperament makes use of this fact.
The 13- or 15-odd-limit consists of intervals whose numerators and denominators, when all factors of two have been removed, are less than or equal to 13 or 15, respectively. As prime limits increase, ratios containing different primes over [[3/1|3]] in the numerator and denominator become more and more numerous. Such ratios include [[15/14]], [[14/13]], [[11/10]], [[15/13]], [[13/11]], [[14/11]], [[13/10]], [[15/11]], [[7/5]], and their [[octave complement]]s. In a 13-limit system, all the ratios of the 13- or 15-odd-limit can be treated as potential [[consonance]]s. An example of a way to use these intervals is to build {{w|tertian harmony|tertian}} triads such as [[10:13:15]], which consists of a 13/10 ultramajor third and a [[15/13]] inframinor third. Another example is the neogothic major and minor triads of [[22:28:33]] and [[22:26:33]], which can be tempered to the 13-odd-limit but can also be used as they are.  


== Edo approximation ==
== Edo approximation ==

Revision as of 11:04, 17 January 2026

The 13-limit or 13-prime-limit consists of just intonation intervals such that the highest prime factor in all ratios is 13. Thus, 40/39 would be within the 13-limit, since 40 is 2 × 2 × 2 × 5 and 39 is 3 × 13, but 34/33 would not, since 34 is 2 × 17, and 17 is a prime number higher than 13. The 13-limit is the 6th prime limit and is a superset of the 11-limit and a subset of the 17-limit.

The 13-limit is a rank-6 system, and can be modeled in a 5-dimensional lattice, with the primes 3, 5, 7, 11, and 13 represented by each dimension. The prime 2 does not appear in the typical 13-limit lattice because octave equivalence is presumed. If octave equivalence is not presumed, a sixth dimension is needed.

These things are contained by the 13-limit, but not the 11-limit:

  • The 13- and 15-odd-limit;
  • Mode 7 and 8 of the harmonic or subharmonic series.

The 13-limit intervals of the 2.3.13 subgroup, such as 13/12 and 16/13, are close to neutral intervals, but are further from true (hemipythagorean) neutral intervals than 2.3.11 subgroup intervals, and may thus be termed "subneutral" and "superneutral".

The 13- or 15-odd-limit consists of intervals whose numerators and denominators, when all factors of two have been removed, are less than or equal to 13 or 15, respectively. As prime limits increase, ratios containing different primes over 3 in the numerator and denominator become more and more numerous. Such ratios include 15/14, 14/13, 11/10, 15/13, 13/11, 14/11, 13/10, 15/11, 7/5, and their octave complements. In a 13-limit system, all the ratios of the 13- or 15-odd-limit can be treated as potential consonances. An example of a way to use these intervals is to build tertian triads such as 10:13:15, which consists of a 13/10 ultramajor third and a 15/13 inframinor third. Another example is the neogothic major and minor triads of 22:28:33 and 22:26:33, which can be tempered to the 13-odd-limit but can also be used as they are.

Edo approximation

Edos which represent 13-limit intervals better (monotonicity limit ≥ 13 and decreasing TE error): 15, 17c, 19, 26, 27e, 29, 31, 41, 46, 53, 58, 72, 87, 103, 111, 121, 130, 183, 190, 198, 224, 270, 494 and so on. For a more comprehensive list, see Sequence of equal temperaments by error.

Here is a list of edos which tunes the 13-limit well relative to their size (TE relative error < 5.5%): 31, 41, 46, 53, 58, 72, 87, 94, 103, 111, 121, 130, 140, 152f, 159, 183, 190, 198, 212, 217, 224, 270, 282, 296, 301, 311, 320, 328, 342f, 354, 364, 369f, 373, 383, 400, 414, 422, 431, 441, 460, 472, 494, and so on.

📝Note: Wart notation is used to specify the val chosen for the edo. In the above list, "27e" means taking the second closest approximation of harmonic 11.

Intervals

Here are all the 15-odd-limit intervals of 13:

Ratio Cents value Color name Name
14/13 128.298 3uz2 thuzo 2nd tridecimal supraminor second
13/12 138.573 3o2 tho 2nd tridecimal subneutral second
15/13 247.741 3uy2 thuyo 2nd tridecimal semifourth
13/11 289.210 3o1u3 tholu 3rd tridecimal minor third
16/13 359.472 3u3 thu 3rd tridecimal supraneutral third
13/10 454.214 3og4 thogu 4th tridecimal naiadic
18/13 563.382 3u4 thu 4th tridecimal sub-tritone
13/9 636.618 3o5 tho 5th tridecimal super-tritone
20/13 745.786 3uy5 thuyo 5th tridecimal cocytic
13/8 840.528 3o6 tho 6th tridecimal subneutral sixth
22/13 910.790 3u1o6 thulo 6th tridecimal major sixth
26/15 952.259 3og7 thogu 7th tridecimal semitwelfth
24/13 1061.427 3u7 thu 7th tridecimal supraneutral seventh
13/7 1071.702 3or7 thoru 7th tridecimal submajor seventh

Music

E8 Heterotic
Francium
Dave Hill
Hojo Minori
Ben Johnston
performed by Kepler Quartet
Kaiveran Lugheidh
  • Unlicensed Copy (2017) – mostly 7-limit with some erstwhile 13-based chromaticisms
Thomas Leroy Meier
Claudi Meneghin
Gene Ward Smith
Tristan Bay
Randy Wells

See also

Notes