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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">A **monzo** is the counterpart to a [[Vals|val]]. Much like vals allow us to express the way that prime intervals are mapped within an EDO, a monzo allows us to express how any "composite" interval is represented in terms of those simpler prime intervals. They are typically written using the notation |a b c d e f ... &gt;, where the columns represent how the primes 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, etc, in that order, contribute to the interval's prime factorization, up to some [[harmonic limit|prime limit]].
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">=Definition=
A **monzo** is a way of notating a JI interval that allows us to express directly how any "composite" interval is represented in terms of those simpler prime intervals. They are typically written using the notation |a b c d e f ... &gt;, where the columns represent how the primes 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, etc, in that order, contribute to the interval's prime factorization, up to some [[harmonic limit|prime limit]].


For example, the interval 15/8 can be thought of as having 5*3 in the numerator, and 2*2*2 in the denominator. This can be compactly represented by the expression 2^-3 * 3^1 * 5^1, which is exactly equal to 15/8. We construct the monzo by taking the exponent from each prime, in order, and placing them within the |.........&gt; brackets, hence yielding |-3 1 1&gt;.  
Monzos can be thought of as counterparts to [[Vals|vals]].


For a more mathematical discussion, see also [[Monzos and Interval Space]].
For a more mathematical discussion, see also [[Monzos and Interval Space]].
=Examples=
For example, the interval 15/8 can be thought of as having 5*3 in the numerator, and 2*2*2 in the denominator. This can be compactly represented by the expression 2^-3 * 3^1 * 5^1, which is exactly equal to 15/8. We construct the monzo by taking the exponent from each prime, in order, and placing them within the |.........&gt; brackets, hence yielding |-3 1 1&gt;.


Here are some common 5-limit monzos, for your reference:
Here are some common 5-limit monzos, for your reference:
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7/6: |-1 -1 0 1&gt;
7/6: |-1 -1 0 1&gt;
7/5: |0 0 -1 1&gt;
7/5: |0 0 -1 1&gt;
=Relationship with vals=
//See also: [[Vals]], [[Keenan's explanation of vals]], [[Vals and Tuning Space]] (more mathematical)//


Monzos are important because they enable us to see how any JI interval "maps" onto a val. This mapping is expressed by writing the val and the monzo together, such as &lt;12 19 28|-4 4 -1&gt;. The mapping is extremely easily to calculate: simply multiply together each component in the same position on both sides of the line, and add the results together. This is perhaps best demonstrated by example:
Monzos are important because they enable us to see how any JI interval "maps" onto a val. This mapping is expressed by writing the val and the monzo together, such as &lt;12 19 28|-4 4 -1&gt;. The mapping is extremely easily to calculate: simply multiply together each component in the same position on both sides of the line, and add the results together. This is perhaps best demonstrated by example:
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**In general: &lt;a b c|d e f&gt; = ad + be + cf**</pre></div>
**In general: &lt;a b c|d e f&gt; = ad + be + cf**</pre></div>
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;monzos&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;A &lt;strong&gt;monzo&lt;/strong&gt; is the counterpart to a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Vals"&gt;val&lt;/a&gt;. Much like vals allow us to express the way that prime intervals are mapped within an EDO, a monzo allows us to express how any &amp;quot;composite&amp;quot; interval is represented in terms of those simpler prime intervals. They are typically written using the notation |a b c d e f ... &amp;gt;, where the columns represent how the primes 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, etc, in that order, contribute to the interval's prime factorization, up to some &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/harmonic%20limit"&gt;prime limit&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;monzos&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:0:&amp;lt;h1&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h1 id="toc0"&gt;&lt;a name="Definition"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:0 --&gt;Definition&lt;/h1&gt;
A &lt;strong&gt;monzo&lt;/strong&gt; is a way of notating a JI interval that allows us to express directly how any &amp;quot;composite&amp;quot; interval is represented in terms of those simpler prime intervals. They are typically written using the notation |a b c d e f ... &amp;gt;, where the columns represent how the primes 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, etc, in that order, contribute to the interval's prime factorization, up to some &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/harmonic%20limit"&gt;prime limit&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, the interval 15/8 can be thought of as having 5*3 in the numerator, and 2*2*2 in the denominator. This can be compactly represented by the expression 2^-3 * 3^1 * 5^1, which is exactly equal to 15/8. We construct the monzo by taking the exponent from each prime, in order, and placing them within the |.........&amp;gt; brackets, hence yielding |-3 1 1&amp;gt;. &lt;br /&gt;
Monzos can be thought of as counterparts to &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Vals"&gt;vals&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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For a more mathematical discussion, see also &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Monzos%20and%20Interval%20Space"&gt;Monzos and Interval Space&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
For a more mathematical discussion, see also &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Monzos%20and%20Interval%20Space"&gt;Monzos and Interval Space&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, the interval 15/8 can be thought of as having 5*3 in the numerator, and 2*2*2 in the denominator. This can be compactly represented by the expression 2^-3 * 3^1 * 5^1, which is exactly equal to 15/8. We construct the monzo by taking the exponent from each prime, in order, and placing them within the |.........&amp;gt; brackets, hence yielding |-3 1 1&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Here are some common 5-limit monzos, for your reference:&lt;br /&gt;
Here are some common 5-limit monzos, for your reference:&lt;br /&gt;
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7/6: |-1 -1 0 1&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
7/6: |-1 -1 0 1&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
7/5: |0 0 -1 1&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
7/5: |0 0 -1 1&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;See also: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Vals"&gt;Vals&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Keenan%27s%20explanation%20of%20vals"&gt;Keenan's explanation of vals&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Vals%20and%20Tuning%20Space"&gt;Vals and Tuning Space&lt;/a&gt; (more mathematical)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Monzos are important because they enable us to see how any JI interval &amp;quot;maps&amp;quot; onto a val. This mapping is expressed by writing the val and the monzo together, such as &amp;lt;12 19 28|-4 4 -1&amp;gt;. The mapping is extremely easily to calculate: simply multiply together each component in the same position on both sides of the line, and add the results together. This is perhaps best demonstrated by example:&lt;br /&gt;
Monzos are important because they enable us to see how any JI interval &amp;quot;maps&amp;quot; onto a val. This mapping is expressed by writing the val and the monzo together, such as &amp;lt;12 19 28|-4 4 -1&amp;gt;. The mapping is extremely easily to calculate: simply multiply together each component in the same position on both sides of the line, and add the results together. This is perhaps best demonstrated by example:&lt;br /&gt;

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=Definition= 
A **monzo** is a way of notating a JI interval that allows us to express directly how any "composite" interval is represented in terms of those simpler prime intervals. They are typically written using the notation |a b c d e f ... >, where the columns represent how the primes 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, etc, in that order, contribute to the interval's prime factorization, up to some [[harmonic limit|prime limit]].

Monzos can be thought of as counterparts to [[Vals|vals]].

For a more mathematical discussion, see also [[Monzos and Interval Space]].

=Examples= 
For example, the interval 15/8 can be thought of as having 5*3 in the numerator, and 2*2*2 in the denominator. This can be compactly represented by the expression 2^-3 * 3^1 * 5^1, which is exactly equal to 15/8. We construct the monzo by taking the exponent from each prime, in order, and placing them within the |.........> brackets, hence yielding |-3 1 1>.

Here are some common 5-limit monzos, for your reference:
3/2: |-1 1 0>
5/4: |-2 0 1>
9/8: |-3 2 0>
81/80: |-4 4 -1>

Here are a few 7-limit monzos:
7/4: |-2 0 0 1>
7/6: |-1 -1 0 1>
7/5: |0 0 -1 1>

=Relationship with vals= 
//See also: [[Vals]], [[Keenan's explanation of vals]], [[Vals and Tuning Space]] (more mathematical)//

Monzos are important because they enable us to see how any JI interval "maps" onto a val. This mapping is expressed by writing the val and the monzo together, such as <12 19 28|-4 4 -1>. The mapping is extremely easily to calculate: simply multiply together each component in the same position on both sides of the line, and add the results together. This is perhaps best demonstrated by example:

<12 19 28|-4 4 -1>
(12*-4) + (19*4) + (28*1)<span class="st"> = </span>0

In this case, the val <12 19 28| is the [[patent val]] for 12-equal, and |-4 4 -1> is 81/80, or the syntonic comma. The fact that <12 19 28|-4 4 -1> tells us that 81/80 is mapped to 0 steps in 12-equal - aka it's tempered out - which tells us that 12-equal is a meantone temperament. It is noteworthy that almost the entirety of western music, particularly western music composed for 12-equal or 12-tone well temperaments, is made possible by the above equation.

**In general: <a b c|d e f> = ad + be + cf**

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<html><head><title>monzos</title></head><body><!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:0:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc0"><a name="Definition"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:0 -->Definition</h1>
 A <strong>monzo</strong> is a way of notating a JI interval that allows us to express directly how any &quot;composite&quot; interval is represented in terms of those simpler prime intervals. They are typically written using the notation |a b c d e f ... &gt;, where the columns represent how the primes 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, etc, in that order, contribute to the interval's prime factorization, up to some <a class="wiki_link" href="/harmonic%20limit">prime limit</a>.<br />
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Monzos can be thought of as counterparts to <a class="wiki_link" href="/Vals">vals</a>.<br />
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For a more mathematical discussion, see also <a class="wiki_link" href="/Monzos%20and%20Interval%20Space">Monzos and Interval Space</a>.<br />
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<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:2:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc1"><a name="Examples"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:2 -->Examples</h1>
 For example, the interval 15/8 can be thought of as having 5*3 in the numerator, and 2*2*2 in the denominator. This can be compactly represented by the expression 2^-3 * 3^1 * 5^1, which is exactly equal to 15/8. We construct the monzo by taking the exponent from each prime, in order, and placing them within the |.........&gt; brackets, hence yielding |-3 1 1&gt;.<br />
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Here are some common 5-limit monzos, for your reference:<br />
3/2: |-1 1 0&gt;<br />
5/4: |-2 0 1&gt;<br />
9/8: |-3 2 0&gt;<br />
81/80: |-4 4 -1&gt;<br />
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Here are a few 7-limit monzos:<br />
7/4: |-2 0 0 1&gt;<br />
7/6: |-1 -1 0 1&gt;<br />
7/5: |0 0 -1 1&gt;<br />
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<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:4:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc2"><a name="Relationship with vals"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:4 -->Relationship with vals</h1>
 <em>See also: <a class="wiki_link" href="/Vals">Vals</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/Keenan%27s%20explanation%20of%20vals">Keenan's explanation of vals</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/Vals%20and%20Tuning%20Space">Vals and Tuning Space</a> (more mathematical)</em><br />
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Monzos are important because they enable us to see how any JI interval &quot;maps&quot; onto a val. This mapping is expressed by writing the val and the monzo together, such as &lt;12 19 28|-4 4 -1&gt;. The mapping is extremely easily to calculate: simply multiply together each component in the same position on both sides of the line, and add the results together. This is perhaps best demonstrated by example:<br />
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&lt;12 19 28|-4 4 -1&gt;<br />
(12*-4) + (19*4) + (28*1)<span class="st"> = </span>0<br />
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In this case, the val &lt;12 19 28| is the <a class="wiki_link" href="/patent%20val">patent val</a> for 12-equal, and |-4 4 -1&gt; is 81/80, or the syntonic comma. The fact that &lt;12 19 28|-4 4 -1&gt; tells us that 81/80 is mapped to 0 steps in 12-equal - aka it's tempered out - which tells us that 12-equal is a meantone temperament. It is noteworthy that almost the entirety of western music, particularly western music composed for 12-equal or 12-tone well temperaments, is made possible by the above equation.<br />
<br />
<strong>In general: &lt;a b c|d e f&gt; = ad + be + cf</strong></body></html>