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Map: [&lt;1 0 0 -5 -9|, &lt;0 1 0 2 2|, &lt;0 0 1 2 4|]
Map: [&lt;1 0 0 -5 -9|, &lt;0 1 0 2 2|, &lt;0 0 1 2 4|]
Generators: 2, 3, 5
Generators: 2, 3, 5
Edos: 9, 12, 21, 22, 31, 43, 53, 74, 75, 96, 127</pre></div>
Edos: 9, 12, 21, 22, 31, 43, 53, 74, 75, 96, 127
 
===Spectacle===
Commas: 225/224, 243/242
 
Minimax tuning:
[|1 0 0 0 0&gt;, |1/5 0 0 0 2/5&gt;, |2/5 -2 1 0 4/5&gt;, |-19/5 -4 2 0 12/5&gt;, |0 0 0 0 1&gt;]
Eigenmonzos: 2, 10/9, 11/8
 
Map: [&lt;1 1 0 -3 2|, &lt;0 2 0 4 5|, &lt;0 0 1 2 0|]
Generators: 2, 11/9, 5
Edos: 10, 31, 41, 72, 240, 250</pre></div>
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;Marvel family&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;The head of the marvel family is marvel, which tempers out 225/224, the septimal kleisma or marvel comma. Marvel has a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists"&gt;normal list basis&lt;/a&gt; of [2, 3, 5]; hence a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Harmonic%20Limit"&gt;5-limit&lt;/a&gt; scale can be converted to marvel simply by tempering it. One way to do that, and an excellent marvel tuning, is given by &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/197edo"&gt;197edo&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;1 0 0 -5 -9|, &amp;lt;0 1 0 2 2|, &amp;lt;0 0 1 2 4|]&lt;br /&gt;
Map: [&amp;lt;1 0 0 -5 -9|, &amp;lt;0 1 0 2 2|, &amp;lt;0 0 1 2 4|]&lt;br /&gt;
Generators: 2, 3, 5&lt;br /&gt;
Generators: 2, 3, 5&lt;br /&gt;
Edos: 9, 12, 21, 22, 31, 43, 53, 74, 75, 96, 127&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
Edos: 9, 12, 21, 22, 31, 43, 53, 74, 75, 96, 127&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 225/224, 243/242&lt;br /&gt;
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Minimax tuning:&lt;br /&gt;
[|1 0 0 0 0&amp;gt;, |1/5 0 0 0 2/5&amp;gt;, |2/5 -2 1 0 4/5&amp;gt;, |-19/5 -4 2 0 12/5&amp;gt;, |0 0 0 0 1&amp;gt;]&lt;br /&gt;
Eigenmonzos: 2, 10/9, 11/8&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Map: [&amp;lt;1 1 0 -3 2|, &amp;lt;0 2 0 4 5|, &amp;lt;0 0 1 2 0|]&lt;br /&gt;
Generators: 2, 11/9, 5&lt;br /&gt;
Edos: 10, 31, 41, 72, 240, 250&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>

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The head of the marvel family is marvel, which tempers out 225/224, the septimal kleisma or marvel comma. Marvel has a [[Normal lists|normal list basis]] of [2, 3, 5]; hence a [[Harmonic Limit|5-limit]] scale can be converted to marvel simply by tempering it. One way to do that, and an excellent marvel tuning, is given by [[197edo]]. 

Little is gained in tuning accuracy by not tempering out 4375/4374 as well as 225/224, leading to [[Kleismic family|catakleismic temperament]]. Another temperament which does little damage to tuning accuracy is [[Pythagorean family|compton temperament]], for which [[240edo]] may be used.

===Vital statistics===
[[Comma]] c = 225/224

7-limit minmax: 3 and 5 1/4c flat, 7 just
[|1 0 0 0>, |5/4 1/2 -1/2 1/4>, |5/4 -1/2 1/2 1/4>, |0 0 0 1>]
[[Eigenmonzo|Eigenmonzos]]: 2, 5/4, 6/5

9-limit minimx: 3 1/6c flat, 5 1/3c flat, 7 just
[|1 0 0 0>, |5/6 2/3 -1/3 1/6>, |5/3 -2/3 1/3 1/3>, |0 0 0 1>]
[[Eigenmonzo|Eigenmonzos]]: 2, 8/7, 10/9

[[Minkowski lattice]] basis: secor length 1.256, 3/2 length 1.369
Angle(secor, 3/2) = 106.958 cents 
Map to lattice: [<0 0 -1 -2|, <0 1 -1 0|]
[[edo|EDOs]]: [[197edo|197]]

==Eleven limit children==
The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which 11-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 4125/4096 gives unidecimal marvel, 91125/90112 gives prodigy, 5632/5625 minerva and 243/242 spectacle.

===Unidecimal marvel===
[[Comma|Commas]]: 225/224, 385/384

Minimax tuning: 
[|1 0 0 0 0>, |4/3 8/9 -1/3 0 -1/9>, |8/3 -2/9 1/3 0 -2/9>,
|3 4/3 0 0 -2/3>, |8/3 -2/9 -2/3 0 7/9>]
[[Eigenmonzo|Eigenmonzos]]: 2, 10/9, 11/9

Lattice basis: secor length 1.0364 5/4 length 1.0759
Angle(secor, 5/4) = 104.028 degrees
Map to lattice: [<0 -1 0 -2 1|, <0 -1 1 0 -2|]

Map: [<1 0 0 -5 12|, <0 1 0 2 -1|, <0 0 1 2 -3|]
[[Generator|Generators]]: 2, 3, 5
[[edo|Edos]]: [[19edo|19]], [[22edo|22]], [[31edo|31]], [[41edo|41]], [[50edo|50]], [[53edo|53]], [[72edo|72]], [[166edo|166]], [[197edo|197]]

===Prodigy===
[[Comma|Commas]]: 225/224, 441/440

Minimax tuning:
[|1 0 0 0 0>, |13/12 1/2 -1/4 0 1/12>, 
|13/6 -1 1/2 0 1/6>,
|3/2 -1 1/2 0 1/2>, |0 0 0 0 1>]
[[Eigenmonzo|Eigenmonzos]]: 2, 10/9, 11/8

Lattice basis: secor length 0.9111, 3/2 length 0.9477
Angle(secor, 3/2) = 65.933
Map to lattice: [<0 0 -1 -2 -3|, <0 1 -1 0 3|]

Map: [<1 0 0 -5 -13|, <0 1 0 2 6|, <0 0 1 2 3|]
Generators: 2, 3, 5

===Minerva===
Comma: 99/98, 225/224

Minimax tuning:
[|1 0 0 0 0>, |0 1 0 0 0>, |9/4 -1/2 0 0 1/4>, |-1/2 1 0 0 1/2>, |0 0 0 0 1>]
Eigenmonzos: 2, 3/2, 11/8

Map: [<1 0 0 -5 -9|, <0 1 0 2 2|, <0 0 1 2 4|]
Generators: 2, 3, 5
Edos: 9, 12, 21, 22, 31, 43, 53, 74, 75, 96, 127

===Spectacle===
Commas: 225/224, 243/242

Minimax tuning:
[|1 0 0 0 0>, |1/5 0 0 0 2/5>, |2/5 -2 1 0 4/5>, |-19/5 -4 2 0 12/5>, |0 0 0 0 1>]
Eigenmonzos: 2, 10/9, 11/8

Map: [<1 1 0 -3 2|, <0 2 0 4 5|, <0 0 1 2 0|]
Generators: 2, 11/9, 5
Edos: 10, 31, 41, 72, 240, 250

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<html><head><title>Marvel family</title></head><body>The head of the marvel family is marvel, which tempers out 225/224, the septimal kleisma or marvel comma. Marvel has a <a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists">normal list basis</a> of [2, 3, 5]; hence a <a class="wiki_link" href="/Harmonic%20Limit">5-limit</a> scale can be converted to marvel simply by tempering it. One way to do that, and an excellent marvel tuning, is given by <a class="wiki_link" href="/197edo">197edo</a>. <br />
<br />
Little is gained in tuning accuracy by not tempering out 4375/4374 as well as 225/224, leading to <a class="wiki_link" href="/Kleismic%20family">catakleismic temperament</a>. Another temperament which does little damage to tuning accuracy is <a class="wiki_link" href="/Pythagorean%20family">compton temperament</a>, for which <a class="wiki_link" href="/240edo">240edo</a> may be used.<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:0:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc0"><a name="x--Vital statistics"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:0 -->Vital statistics</h3>
<a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma">Comma</a> c = 225/224<br />
<br />
7-limit minmax: 3 and 5 1/4c flat, 7 just<br />
[|1 0 0 0&gt;, |5/4 1/2 -1/2 1/4&gt;, |5/4 -1/2 1/2 1/4&gt;, |0 0 0 1&gt;]<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/Eigenmonzo">Eigenmonzos</a>: 2, 5/4, 6/5<br />
<br />
9-limit minimx: 3 1/6c flat, 5 1/3c flat, 7 just<br />
[|1 0 0 0&gt;, |5/6 2/3 -1/3 1/6&gt;, |5/3 -2/3 1/3 1/3&gt;, |0 0 0 1&gt;]<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/Eigenmonzo">Eigenmonzos</a>: 2, 8/7, 10/9<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/Minkowski%20lattice">Minkowski lattice</a> basis: secor length 1.256, 3/2 length 1.369<br />
Angle(secor, 3/2) = 106.958 cents <br />
Map to lattice: [&lt;0 0 -1 -2|, &lt;0 1 -1 0|]<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/edo">EDOs</a>: <a class="wiki_link" href="/197edo">197</a><br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:2:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc1"><a name="x-Eleven limit children"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:2 -->Eleven limit children</h2>
The second comma of the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists">normal comma list</a> defines which 11-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 4125/4096 gives unidecimal marvel, 91125/90112 gives prodigy, 5632/5625 minerva and 243/242 spectacle.<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:4:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc2"><a name="x-Eleven limit children-Unidecimal marvel"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:4 -->Unidecimal marvel</h3>
<a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma">Commas</a>: 225/224, 385/384<br />
<br />
Minimax tuning: <br />
[|1 0 0 0 0&gt;, |4/3 8/9 -1/3 0 -1/9&gt;, |8/3 -2/9 1/3 0 -2/9&gt;,<br />
|3 4/3 0 0 -2/3&gt;, |8/3 -2/9 -2/3 0 7/9&gt;]<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/Eigenmonzo">Eigenmonzos</a>: 2, 10/9, 11/9<br />
<br />
Lattice basis: secor length 1.0364 5/4 length 1.0759<br />
Angle(secor, 5/4) = 104.028 degrees<br />
Map to lattice: [&lt;0 -1 0 -2 1|, &lt;0 -1 1 0 -2|]<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 0 0 -5 12|, &lt;0 1 0 2 -1|, &lt;0 0 1 2 -3|]<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/Generator">Generators</a>: 2, 3, 5<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/edo">Edos</a>: <a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo">19</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo">22</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo">31</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/41edo">41</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/50edo">50</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/72edo">72</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/166edo">166</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/197edo">197</a><br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:6:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc3"><a name="x-Eleven limit children-Prodigy"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:6 -->Prodigy</h3>
<a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma">Commas</a>: 225/224, 441/440<br />
<br />
Minimax tuning:<br />
[|1 0 0 0 0&gt;, |13/12 1/2 -1/4 0 1/12&gt;, <br />
|13/6 -1 1/2 0 1/6&gt;,<br />
|3/2 -1 1/2 0 1/2&gt;, |0 0 0 0 1&gt;]<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/Eigenmonzo">Eigenmonzos</a>: 2, 10/9, 11/8<br />
<br />
Lattice basis: secor length 0.9111, 3/2 length 0.9477<br />
Angle(secor, 3/2) = 65.933<br />
Map to lattice: [&lt;0 0 -1 -2 -3|, &lt;0 1 -1 0 3|]<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 0 0 -5 -13|, &lt;0 1 0 2 6|, &lt;0 0 1 2 3|]<br />
Generators: 2, 3, 5<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:8:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc4"><a name="x-Eleven limit children-Minerva"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:8 -->Minerva</h3>
Comma: 99/98, 225/224<br />
<br />
Minimax tuning:<br />
[|1 0 0 0 0&gt;, |0 1 0 0 0&gt;, |9/4 -1/2 0 0 1/4&gt;, |-1/2 1 0 0 1/2&gt;, |0 0 0 0 1&gt;]<br />
Eigenmonzos: 2, 3/2, 11/8<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 0 0 -5 -9|, &lt;0 1 0 2 2|, &lt;0 0 1 2 4|]<br />
Generators: 2, 3, 5<br />
Edos: 9, 12, 21, 22, 31, 43, 53, 74, 75, 96, 127<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:10:&lt;h3&gt; --><h3 id="toc5"><a name="x-Eleven limit children-Spectacle"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:10 -->Spectacle</h3>
Commas: 225/224, 243/242<br />
<br />
Minimax tuning:<br />
[|1 0 0 0 0&gt;, |1/5 0 0 0 2/5&gt;, |2/5 -2 1 0 4/5&gt;, |-19/5 -4 2 0 12/5&gt;, |0 0 0 0 1&gt;]<br />
Eigenmonzos: 2, 10/9, 11/8<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 1 0 -3 2|, &lt;0 2 0 4 5|, &lt;0 0 1 2 0|]<br />
Generators: 2, 11/9, 5<br />
Edos: 10, 31, 41, 72, 240, 250</body></html>