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| Comma basis = [[64/63]] (2.3.7);<br />[[64/63]], [[245/243]] (2.3.5.7)
| Title = Archy; superpyth
| Edo join 1 = 5
| Subgroups = 2.3.7, 2.3.5.7
| Edo join 2 = 22
| Comma basis = [[64/63]] (2.3.7); <br> [[64/63]], [[245/243]] (2.3.5.7)
| Mapping = 1; 1 9 -2
| Edo join 1 = 5 | Edo join 2 = 22
| Generator = 3/2
| Generator = 3/2
| Generator tuning = 712.6
| Generator tuning = 712.6
| Optimization method = DKW
| Optimization method = DKW
| Mapping = 1; 1 9 -2
| Pergen = (P8, P5)
| Pergen = (P8, P5)
| Color name = Ruti
| Color name = Ruti
| MOS scales = [[2L&nbsp;3s]], [[5L&nbsp;2s]], [[5L&nbsp;7s]]
| MOS scales = [[2L&nbsp;3s]], [[5L&nbsp;2s]], [[5L&nbsp;7s]]
| Subgroups = 2.3.7, 2.3.5.7
| Odd limit 1 = (2.3.7) 9 | Mistuning 1 = ? | Complexity 1 = 12
| Title = Archy and superpyth
| Odd limit 2 = 9 | Mistuning 2 = ? | Complexity 2 = 27
| Odd limit 1 = (2.3.7) 9
| Mistuning 1 = ?
| Odd limit 2 = 9
| Mistuning 2 = ?
| Complexity 1 = 12
| Complexity 2 = 27
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}}
'''Superpyth,''' often called '''archy''' in the no-fives subgroup, is a [[regular temperament|temperament]] where the [[generator]] is [[4/3]], tuned flat so that stacking two of them gives an interval representing both [[7/4]] and [[16/9]]. This means that intervals such as A–G and C–B♭ (notated in chain-of-fifths notation) are harmonic sevenths. Equivalently, two [[3/2]] perfect fifths [[octave reduction|octave-reduced]] gives a major whole tone representing both [[9/8]] and [[8/7]], three fourths reach a subminor third that approximates [[7/6]], and four fifths reach a supermajor third that approximates [[9/7]]. This means that the septimal comma ([[64/63]]) is [[tempering out|tempered out]].
'''Superpyth''', often called '''archy''' in the no-5 [[subgroup]], is a [[regular temperament|temperament]] where the [[generator]] is a [[3/2|perfect fifth]], tuned sharp such that a stack of two perfect fifths [[octave reduction|octave-reduced]] gives a whole tone that represents both [[9/8]] and [[8/7]], [[tempering out]] the septimal comma, [[64/63]]. Likewise, two perfect fourths give a minor seventh that represents both [[7/4]] and [[16/9]], so that intervals such as A–G and C–B♭ (notated in chain-of-fifths notation) are harmonic sevenths. Equivalently, three fourths reach a minor third that approximates [[7/6]], while four fifths reach a major third that approximates [[9/7]].  


Since the generator is a perfect fourth or perfect fifth, archy and superpyth can be notated using the same standard [[chain-of-fifths notation]] that is also used for [[meantone]], with the understanding that sharps are sharper than flats (for example, A♯ is sharper than B♭) just like in [[Pythagorean tuning]], in contrast to meantone where sharps are flatter than or equal to the corresponding flats. [[22edo|13\22]] (~{{frac|1|4}}-septimal comma) and [[27edo|16\27]] (~{{frac|1|3}}-septimal comma) are the most common tunings of the generator.
Since the generator is a perfect fifth, superpyth can be notated using the same standard [[chain-of-fifths notation]] that is also used for [[meantone]], with the understanding that sharps are sharper than flats (for example, A♯ is sharper than B♭) just like in [[Pythagorean tuning]], in contrast to meantone where sharps are flatter than or equal to the corresponding flats. [[22edo|13\22]] (~1/4 septimal comma) and [[27edo|16\27]] (~1/3 septimal comma) are the most common tunings of the generator.


If intervals of 5 are desired, the 5th harmonic is mapped to +9 generators through tempering out [[245/243]], so C–D♯ (an augmented second or limma-flat major third) is 5/4, leading to the full 7-limit superpyth temperament. Superpyth is the "opposite" of meantone in several different ways: most notably, meantone (including [[12edo]]) has the fifth tuned flat so that intervals of harmonic 5 are simple while intervals of 7 are complex, while superpyth has the fifth tuned sharp so that intervals of 7 are simple while intervals of 5 are complex.
If intervals of 5 are desired, the 5th harmonic is mapped to +9 generators through tempering out [[245/243]], so 5/4 is an augmented second (e.g. C–D♯). Therefore superpyth is the "opposite" of meantone in several different ways: most notably, meantone (including [[12edo]]) has the fifth tuned flat so that intervals of harmonic 5 are simple while intervals of 7 are complex, while superpyth has the fifth tuned sharp so that intervals of 7 are simple while intervals of 5 are complex.


If intervals of 11 are desired, the canonical way is to map 11/8 to +16 generators, or a doubly augmented second (C–Dx), tempering out 100/99. A simpler way to map it is to −6 generators, or a diminished fifth (C–G♭), by tempering out 99/98. The latter is called '''supra''', or '''suprapyth'''. The two mappings unite on [[22edo]].
If intervals of 11 are desired, the canonical way is to map 11/8 to +16 generators, or a doubly augmented second (C–D𝄪), tempering out 100/99. A simpler way to map it is to −6 generators, or a diminished fifth (C–G♭), by tempering out 99/98. The latter is called '''supra''', or '''suprapyth'''. The two mappings unite on [[22edo]].


If intervals of 13 are desired, 13/8 is mapped to +13 generators, or a doubly augmented fourth (C–F𝄪, as in [[27edo]]), by tempering out [[31213/31104]].
If intervals of 13 are desired, 13/8 is mapped to +13 generators, or a doubly augmented fourth (C–F𝄪), by tempering out [[31213/31104]].


[[Mos scale]]s of superpyth have cardinalities of 5, 7, 12, 17, or 22.
[[Mos scale]]s of superpyth have cardinalities of 5, 7, 12, 17, or 22.


For more technical data, see [[Archytas clan #Superpyth|Archytas clan.]]
For more technical data, see [[Archytas clan #Superpyth]].


== Interval chains ==
== Interval chains ==
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=== Prime-optimized tunings ===
=== Prime-optimized tunings ===
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