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Up to the 7-limit, Hahn distance has a very nice formula give by
Up to the 7-limit, Hahn distance has a very nice formula give by
||3^a 5^b 7^c||_hahn = max(|a|, |b|, |c|, |a+b|, |b+c|, |c+a|, |a+b+c|)
||3^a 5^b 7^c||_hahn = (|a|+|b|+c|+|a+b+c|)/2 = max(|a|, |b|, |c|, |a+b|, |b+c|, |c+a|, |a+b+c|)
We may take this formula (or the similar formulas we would obtain for higher odd limits) and apply it to any triple of real numbers
We may take this formula (or the similar formulas we would obtain for higher odd limits) and apply it to any triple of real numbers
||(a, b, c)||_hahn = max(|a|, |b|, |c|, |a+b|, |b+c|, |c+a|, |a+b+c|)
||(a, b, c)||_hahn = max(|a|, |b|, |c|, |a+b|, |b+c|, |c+a|, |a+b+c|)
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Up to the 7-limit, Hahn distance has a very nice formula give by&lt;br /&gt;
Up to the 7-limit, Hahn distance has a very nice formula give by&lt;br /&gt;
||3^a 5^b 7^c||_hahn = max(|a|, |b|, |c|, |a+b|, |b+c|, |c+a|, |a+b+c|)&lt;br /&gt;
||3^a 5^b 7^c||_hahn = (|a|+|b|+c|+|a+b+c|)/2 = max(|a|, |b|, |c|, |a+b|, |b+c|, |c+a|, |a+b+c|)&lt;br /&gt;
We may take this formula (or the similar formulas we would obtain for higher odd limits) and apply it to any triple of real numbers&lt;br /&gt;
We may take this formula (or the similar formulas we would obtain for higher odd limits) and apply it to any triple of real numbers&lt;br /&gt;
||(a, b, c)||_hahn = max(|a|, |b|, |c|, |a+b|, |b+c|, |c+a|, |a+b+c|)&lt;br /&gt;
||(a, b, c)||_hahn = max(|a|, |b|, |c|, |a+b|, |b+c|, |c+a|, |a+b+c|)&lt;br /&gt;

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In graph theory, the distance between two vertices a and b is defined as the minimum number of edges in a path connecting them, or in other words the minimum length of a connecting path. Given a set of just intervals, or more usually, of classes of octave-equivalent intervals, we can define a corresponding graph whose vertices are the intervals and which contain an edge between two intervals if the ratio between them is a consonance. Normally the unison is not counted as a consonance, and we therefore obtain in this way a graph with no loops which is very useful in various ways, such as in the study of scales.

If we apply the above construction to the set of p-limit interval classes, using as consonances the q-odd-limit consonances, where q is an odd number q >= p which less than the next prime after p, the resulting graph could be called the Hahn graph, and distance on it is q-limit Hahn distance between two octave classes.

Up to the 7-limit, Hahn distance has a very nice formula give by
||3^a 5^b 7^c||_hahn = (|a|+|b|+c|+|a+b+c|)/2 = max(|a|, |b|, |c|, |a+b|, |b+c|, |c+a|, |a+b+c|)
We may take this formula (or the similar formulas we would obtain for higher odd limits) and apply it to any triple of real numbers
||(a, b, c)||_hahn = max(|a|, |b|, |c|, |a+b|, |b+c|, |c+a|, |a+b+c|)
If we do that, Hahn distance becomes a norm defining a normed vector space, which we might call Hahn space, and 5 or 7 limit classes of intervals become a lattice. While Hahn space is not Euclidean, the distance measure it gives is not too different from the symmetrical Euclidean distance given by
||(a, b, c)||_sym = √(a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + ab + bc + ca)
and discussed [[The Seven Limit Symmetrical Lattices|here]]. We can regard Hahn distance as an alternative to symmetrical Euclidean distance which is more closely tied to the consonance graph of the lattice.

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In graph theory, the distance between two vertices a and b is defined as the minimum number of edges in a path connecting them, or in other words the minimum length of a connecting path. Given a set of just intervals, or more usually, of classes of octave-equivalent intervals, we can define a corresponding graph whose vertices are the intervals and which contain an edge between two intervals if the ratio between them is a consonance. Normally the unison is not counted as a consonance, and we therefore obtain in this way a graph with no loops which is very useful in various ways, such as in the study of scales.<br />
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If we apply the above construction to the set of p-limit interval classes, using as consonances the q-odd-limit consonances, where q is an odd number q &gt;= p which less than the next prime after p, the resulting graph could be called the Hahn graph, and distance on it is q-limit Hahn distance between two octave classes.<br />
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Up to the 7-limit, Hahn distance has a very nice formula give by<br />
||3^a 5^b 7^c||_hahn = (|a|+|b|+c|+|a+b+c|)/2 = max(|a|, |b|, |c|, |a+b|, |b+c|, |c+a|, |a+b+c|)<br />
We may take this formula (or the similar formulas we would obtain for higher odd limits) and apply it to any triple of real numbers<br />
||(a, b, c)||_hahn = max(|a|, |b|, |c|, |a+b|, |b+c|, |c+a|, |a+b+c|)<br />
If we do that, Hahn distance becomes a norm defining a normed vector space, which we might call Hahn space, and 5 or 7 limit classes of intervals become a lattice. While Hahn space is not Euclidean, the distance measure it gives is not too different from the symmetrical Euclidean distance given by<br />
||(a, b, c)||_sym = √(a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + ab + bc + ca)<br />
and discussed <a class="wiki_link" href="/The%20Seven%20Limit%20Symmetrical%20Lattices">here</a>. We can regard Hahn distance as an alternative to symmetrical Euclidean distance which is more closely tied to the consonance graph of the lattice.</body></html>