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=**<span style="line-height: 1.5;">A guide to learning about tunings on the Internet</span>**= 

==1. Read read read== 

Not much to say in general since you are already on the xenharmonic wiki. Keep clicking links!

===1a Remain Skeptical=== 

A critical element to your approach to learning about tunings in the internet is skepticism. The internet has a tendency to allow misinformation to prevail so, especially in this niche of relatively new theory, be sure to keep in mind what interest is advanced by someone else's writings, and what it is they may be leaving out.

===1b Tools, not Rules=== 

Regardless of the objective veracity of someone else's claims, they usually provide (and are often motivated by) some new or different approach to music making. If one approach is musically useful to you, feel free to use it, and if it is not, feel free not to, regardless of how many other people say it is the "right way".

==2. Listen and Play== 

It's easy to spend a disproportionate amount of time on #1, but two of the best ways to learn about xenharmonics are to listen to and to play them yourself. Check out the [[MicrotonalListeningList]] for the former, and the [[Software]] and [[MicrotonalInstruments|Instruments]] page for the latter. Most of these scales and tunings are brand new, so it's almost a given that you'll learn things that no one else has figured out by playing and writing yourself. That means you won't read about it anywhere until you write it yourself!

==3. Network== 
Naturally, some find it encouraging to interact with others working in the same area of study. Here are a few relevant online communities:

<span class="s4">[[http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/|Yahoo tuning list]]</span> - the oldest mailing list about tuning. If you ask a good question, you will receive some good answers. A large membership means potential for a huge variety of voices, though discussion is often dominated by the list "<span class="s4">[[xenharmonic/tuning regulars|regulars]]</span>".

<span class="s4">[[http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/|Yahoo tuning-math list]]</span> - An outgrowth of [tuning], a haven for the math-savvy. Much of <span class="s5">[[xenharmonic/contemporary temperament theory|contemporary temperament theory]]</span> was developed by people here.

<span class="s4">[[http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/MakeMicroMusic/|Yahoo MakeMicroMusic list]]</span> - Another outgrowth of [tuning], in the direction of, let's hear some music! The emphasis is on sharing original microtonal music, which sometimes unfortunately devolves into endless tech-talk.

<span class="s6">[[http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2229924481&v=wall|"Xenharmonic Alliance" group on Facebook]]</span>

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A critical element to your approach to learning about tunings in the internet is skepticism. The internet has a tendency to allow misinformation to prevail so, especially in this niche of relatively new theory, be sure to keep in mind what interest is advanced by someone else's writings, and what it is they may be leaving out.<br />
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Regardless of the objective veracity of someone else's claims, they usually provide (and are often motivated by) some new or different approach to music making. If one approach is musically useful to you, feel free to use it, and if it is not, feel free not to, regardless of how many other people say it is the &quot;right way&quot;.<br />
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It's easy to spend a disproportionate amount of time on #1, but two of the best ways to learn about xenharmonics are to listen to and to play them yourself. Check out the <a class="wiki_link" href="/MicrotonalListeningList">MicrotonalListeningList</a> for the former, and the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Software">Software</a> and <a class="wiki_link" href="/MicrotonalInstruments">Instruments</a> page for the latter. Most of these scales and tunings are brand new, so it's almost a given that you'll learn things that no one else has figured out by playing and writing yourself. That means you won't read about it anywhere until you write it yourself!<br />
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 Naturally, some find it encouraging to interact with others working in the same area of study. Here are a few relevant online communities:<br />
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<span class="s4"><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/" rel="nofollow">Yahoo tuning list</a></span> - the oldest mailing list about tuning. If you ask a good question, you will receive some good answers. A large membership means potential for a huge variety of voices, though discussion is often dominated by the list &quot;<span class="s4"><a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/tuning%20regulars">regulars</a></span>&quot;.<br />
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<span class="s4"><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/" rel="nofollow">Yahoo tuning-math list</a></span> - An outgrowth of [tuning], a haven for the math-savvy. Much of <span class="s5"><a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/contemporary%20temperament%20theory">contemporary temperament theory</a></span> was developed by people here.<br />
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<span class="s4"><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/MakeMicroMusic/" rel="nofollow">Yahoo MakeMicroMusic list</a></span> - Another outgrowth of [tuning], in the direction of, let's hear some music! The emphasis is on sharing original microtonal music, which sometimes unfortunately devolves into endless tech-talk.<br />
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<span class="s6"><a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2229924481&amp;v=wall" rel="nofollow">&quot;Xenharmonic Alliance&quot; group on Facebook</a></span></body></html>

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-=A guide to learning about tunings on the Internet=
+==1. Read read read==
-Congratulations! You are curious about a field of study which has probably been hidden from you your entire life!
+Not much to say in general since you are already on the xenharmonic wiki. Keep clicking links!
-==Detwelvulate yourself==
+===1a Remain Skeptical===
-The [[MicrotonalListeningList]] is a great start for hearing what microtonal music sounds like. But, you probably got to this point by wanting a different kind of music, and will only get so far by listening to existing works.
+A critical element to your approach to learning about tunings in the internet is skepticism. The internet has a tendency to allow misinformation to prevail so, especially in this niche of relatively new theory, be sure to keep in mind what interest is advanced by someone else's writings, and what it is they may be leaving out.
-Many early 20th century proponents of 19-tone equal temperament never got a chance to hear the tuning of their dreams. One such proponent, upon finally hearing it, completely lost his enthusiasm [CITATION NEEDED]. The point is, we are lucky to be living in a time when exploring different tunings can be done quickly and without much effort.
+===1b Tools, not Rules===
-If you have a computer but don't really speak its language, it may take some time and effort to find a tool best suited to your purposes. See the [[Software]] page for recommendations.
+Regardless of the objective veracity of someone else's claims, they usually provide (and are often motivated by) some new or different approach to music making. If one approach is musically useful to you, feel free to use it, and if it is not, feel free not to, regardless of how many other people say it is the "right way".
-==Skepticism in the rabbit hole==
+==2. Listen and Play==
-The study of ways to tune has a vast history, and a greater variety of work is being done now than ever before. We live in an exciting time! However, the internet's tendency to allow misinformation to prevail is [[http://whatstheharm.net/internetmisinformation.html|well documented]] (//assuming you believe the documentation!//), and is actually nothing new in the world of tuning theory.
+It's easy to spend a disproportionate amount of time on #1, but two of the best ways to learn about xenharmonics are to listen to and to play them yourself. Check out the [[MicrotonalListeningList]] for the former, and the [[Software]] and [[MicrotonalInstruments|Instruments]] page for the latter. Most of these scales and tunings are brand new, so it's almost a given that you'll learn things that no one else has figured out by playing and writing yourself. That means you won't read about it anywhere until you write it yourself!
-I (xenjacob) advise an attitude of skepticism. Specifically one which asks
+==3. Network==
-# What interest is advanced when we speak that way?
+Naturally, some find it encouraging to interact with others working in the same area of study. Here are a few relevant online communities:
-# What is //not// being said? What words do these point to that they are not? What's being avoided? What distinctions are being drawn?
-# In what (reference) system do we say this?
-These questions will get you through most life-or-death tuning situations.
+&lt;span class="s4"&gt;[[http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/|Yahoo tuning list]]&lt;/span&gt; - the oldest mailing list about tuning. If you ask a good question, you will receive some good answers. A large membership means potential for a huge variety of voices, though discussion is often dominated by the list "&lt;span class="s4"&gt;[[xenharmonic/tuning regulars|regulars]]&lt;/span&gt;".
-==Tools, not Rules==
+&lt;span class="s4"&gt;[[http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/|Yahoo tuning-math list]]&lt;/span&gt; - An outgrowth of [tuning], a haven for the math-savvy. Much of &lt;span class="s5"&gt;[[xenharmonic/contemporary temperament theory|contemporary temperament theory]]&lt;/span&gt; was developed by people here.
-Most tuning-related claims are traces of someone wanting something. It is good to remember that you may want something different, and may need to generate new language to describe it (or at least remember it).
+&lt;span class="s4"&gt;[[http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/MakeMicroMusic/|Yahoo MakeMicroMusic list]]&lt;/span&gt; - Another outgrowth of [tuning], in the direction of, let's hear some music! The emphasis is on sharing original microtonal music, which sometimes unfortunately devolves into endless tech-talk.
+&lt;span class="s6"&gt;[[http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2229924481&amp;v=wall|"Xenharmonic Alliance" group on Facebook]]&lt;/span&gt;</pre></div>
-Note how **neologisms** have been rampant in tuning theory. See, for example, [[The Archipelago]]. These are best read as proposals, to be tried out, used only insofar as they are found useful (for doing what you want to do, which is probably making music of some kind).
-Remember, **this is not Wikipedia**. Original research is encouraged, and definitions are in flux. The aim may not even be an objective truth, but an artful or seductive one.
-If you see something missing, add it. If you see something inaccurate, edit it. If you see something potentially controversial, figure out how to preserve the differences. If you see something boring, add some cayenne pepper!
-==Appendix: A different framework for talking about talking==
-Many speakers unknowingly claim a great dichotomy between 'talking' and 'doing something'. In doing so they exclude the possibility that talking could be itself doing //something//, that making a change in the language //could// affect reality, or at least our way of relating to it.
-Invoking [[http://www.marxists.org/subject/education/freire/pedagogy/ch03.htm|Paolo Friere]] ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Freire|Wikipedia article]]) (whom I, xenjacob, recommend), //mere// action is just as undesirable as //mere// words. They need each other!
-=Join the conversation!=
-Some find it encouraging.
-[[http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/|Yahoo tuning list]] - the oldest mailing list about tuning. If you ask a good question, you will receive some good answers. A large membership means potential for a huge variety of voices, though discussion is often dominated by the list "[[tuning regulars|regulars]]".
-[[http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/|Yahoo tuning-math list]] - An outgrowth of [tuning], a haven for the math-savvy. Much of [[contemporary temperament theory]] was developed by people here.
-[[http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/MakeMicroMusic/|Yahoo MakeMicroMusic list]] - Another outgrowth of [tuning], in the direction of, let's hear some music! The emphasis is on sharing original microtonal music, which sometimes unfortunately devolves into endless tech-talk.
-[[http://www.nonoctave.com/forum/|nonoctave forum]] - A forum on XJ Scott's website, frequented by some of the more hermit-prone microtonalists.
-[[http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2229924481&amp;v=wall|"Xenharmonic Alliance" group on Facebook]]</pre></div>
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-&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:2:&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h2 id="toc1"&gt;&lt;a name="A guide to learning about tunings on the Internet-Detwelvulate yourself"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:2 --&gt;Detwelvulate yourself&lt;/h2&gt;
   &lt;br /&gt;
-The &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/MicrotonalListeningList"&gt;MicrotonalListeningList&lt;/a&gt; is a great start for hearing what microtonal music sounds like. But, you probably got to this point by wanting a different kind of music, and will only get so far by listening to existing works.&lt;br /&gt;
+&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:2:&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h2 id="toc1"&gt;&lt;a name="A guide to learning about tunings on the Internet-1. Read read read"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:2 --&gt;1. Read read read&lt;/h2&gt;
-&lt;br /&gt;
-Many early 20th century proponents of 19-tone equal temperament never got a chance to hear the tuning of their dreams. One such proponent, upon finally hearing it, completely lost his enthusiasm [CITATION NEEDED]. The point is, we are lucky to be living in a time when exploring different tunings can be done quickly and without much effort.&lt;br /&gt;
-&lt;br /&gt;
-If you have a computer but don't really speak its language, it may take some time and effort to find a tool best suited to your purposes. See the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Software"&gt;Software&lt;/a&gt; page for recommendations.&lt;br /&gt;
-&lt;br /&gt;
-&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:4:&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h2 id="toc2"&gt;&lt;a name="A guide to learning about tunings on the Internet-Skepticism in the rabbit hole"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:4 --&gt;Skepticism in the rabbit hole&lt;/h2&gt;
   &lt;br /&gt;
-The study of ways to tune has a vast history, and a greater variety of work is being done now than ever before. We live in an exciting time! However, the internet's tendency to allow misinformation to prevail is &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://whatstheharm.net/internetmisinformation.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;well documented&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;em&gt;assuming you believe the documentation!&lt;/em&gt;), and is actually nothing new in the world of tuning theory.&lt;br /&gt;
+Not much to say in general since you are already on the xenharmonic wiki. Keep clicking links!&lt;br /&gt;
-&lt;br /&gt;
-I (xenjacob) advise an attitude of skepticism. Specifically one which asks&lt;br /&gt;
-&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;What interest is advanced when we speak that way?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;What is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; being said? What words do these point to that they are not? What's being avoided? What distinctions are being drawn?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;In what (reference) system do we say this?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
-These questions will get you through most life-or-death tuning situations.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
-&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:6:&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h2 id="toc3"&gt;&lt;a name="A guide to learning about tunings on the Internet-Tools, not Rules"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:6 --&gt;Tools, not Rules&lt;/h2&gt;
+&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:4:&amp;lt;h3&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h3 id="toc2"&gt;&lt;a name="A guide to learning about tunings on the Internet-1. Read read read-1a Remain Skeptical"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:4 --&gt;1a Remain Skeptical&lt;/h3&gt;
   &lt;br /&gt;
-Most tuning-related claims are traces of someone wanting something. It is good to remember that you may want something different, and may need to generate new language to describe it (or at least remember it).&lt;br /&gt;
+A critical element to your approach to learning about tunings in the internet is skepticism. The internet has a tendency to allow misinformation to prevail so, especially in this niche of relatively new theory, be sure to keep in mind what interest is advanced by someone else's writings, and what it is they may be leaving out.&lt;br /&gt;
-&lt;br /&gt;
-&lt;br /&gt;
-Note how &lt;strong&gt;neologisms&lt;/strong&gt; have been rampant in tuning theory. See, for example, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/The%20Archipelago"&gt;The Archipelago&lt;/a&gt;. These are best read as proposals, to be tried out, used only insofar as they are found useful (for doing what you want to do, which is probably making music of some kind).&lt;br /&gt;
-&lt;br /&gt;
-Remember, &lt;strong&gt;this is not Wikipedia&lt;/strong&gt;. Original research is encouraged, and definitions are in flux. The aim may not even be an objective truth, but an artful or seductive one.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
-If you see something missing, add it. If you see something inaccurate, edit it. If you see something potentially controversial, figure out how to preserve the differences. If you see something boring, add some cayenne pepper!&lt;br /&gt;
+&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:6:&amp;lt;h3&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h3 id="toc3"&gt;&lt;a name="A guide to learning about tunings on the Internet-1. Read read read-1b Tools, not Rules"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:6 --&gt;1b Tools, not Rules&lt;/h3&gt;
-&lt;br /&gt;
-&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:8:&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h2 id="toc4"&gt;&lt;a name="A guide to learning about tunings on the Internet-Appendix: A different framework for talking about talking"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:8 --&gt;Appendix: A different framework for talking about talking&lt;/h2&gt;
   &lt;br /&gt;
-Many speakers unknowingly claim a great dichotomy between 'talking' and 'doing something'. In doing so they exclude the possibility that talking could be itself doing &lt;em&gt;something&lt;/em&gt;, that making a change in the language &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; affect reality, or at least our way of relating to it.&lt;br /&gt;
+Regardless of the objective veracity of someone else's claims, they usually provide (and are often motivated by) some new or different approach to music making. If one approach is musically useful to you, feel free to use it, and if it is not, feel free not to, regardless of how many other people say it is the &amp;quot;right way&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
-&lt;br /&gt;
-Invoking &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.marxists.org/subject/education/freire/pedagogy/ch03.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Paolo Friere&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Freire" rel="nofollow"&gt;Wikipedia article&lt;/a&gt;) (whom I, xenjacob, recommend), &lt;em&gt;mere&lt;/em&gt; action is just as undesirable as &lt;em&gt;mere&lt;/em&gt; words. They need each other!&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
-&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:10:&amp;lt;h1&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h1 id="toc5"&gt;&lt;a name="Join the conversation!"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:10 --&gt;Join the conversation!&lt;/h1&gt;
+&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:8:&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h2 id="toc4"&gt;&lt;a name="A guide to learning about tunings on the Internet-2. Listen and Play"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:8 --&gt;2. Listen and Play&lt;/h2&gt;
   &lt;br /&gt;
-Some find it encouraging.&lt;br /&gt;
+It's easy to spend a disproportionate amount of time on #1, but two of the best ways to learn about xenharmonics are to listen to and to play them yourself. Check out the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/MicrotonalListeningList"&gt;MicrotonalListeningList&lt;/a&gt; for the former, and the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Software"&gt;Software&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/MicrotonalInstruments"&gt;Instruments&lt;/a&gt; page for the latter. Most of these scales and tunings are brand new, so it's almost a given that you'll learn things that no one else has figured out by playing and writing yourself. That means you won't read about it anywhere until you write it yourself!&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
-&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Yahoo tuning list&lt;/a&gt; - the oldest mailing list about tuning. If you ask a good question, you will receive some good answers. A large membership means potential for a huge variety of voices, though discussion is often dominated by the list &amp;quot;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/tuning%20regulars"&gt;regulars&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
+&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:10:&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h2 id="toc5"&gt;&lt;a name="A guide to learning about tunings on the Internet-3. Network"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:10 --&gt;3. Network&lt;/h2&gt;
+ Naturally, some find it encouraging to interact with others working in the same area of study. Here are a few relevant online communities:&lt;br /&gt;
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-&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Yahoo tuning-math list&lt;/a&gt; - An outgrowth of [tuning], a haven for the math-savvy. Much of &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/contemporary%20temperament%20theory"&gt;contemporary temperament theory&lt;/a&gt; was developed by people here.&lt;br /&gt;
+&lt;span class="s4"&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Yahoo tuning list&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; - the oldest mailing list about tuning. If you ask a good question, you will receive some good answers. A large membership means potential for a huge variety of voices, though discussion is often dominated by the list &amp;quot;&lt;span class="s4"&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/tuning%20regulars"&gt;regulars&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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-&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/MakeMicroMusic/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Yahoo MakeMicroMusic list&lt;/a&gt; - Another outgrowth of [tuning], in the direction of, let's hear some music! The emphasis is on sharing original microtonal music, which sometimes unfortunately devolves into endless tech-talk.&lt;br /&gt;
+&lt;span class="s4"&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning-math/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Yahoo tuning-math list&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; - An outgrowth of [tuning], a haven for the math-savvy. Much of &lt;span class="s5"&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/contemporary%20temperament%20theory"&gt;contemporary temperament theory&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; was developed by people here.&lt;br /&gt;
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-&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.nonoctave.com/forum/" rel="nofollow"&gt;nonoctave forum&lt;/a&gt; - A forum on XJ Scott's website, frequented by some of the more hermit-prone microtonalists.&lt;br /&gt;
+&lt;span class="s4"&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/MakeMicroMusic/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Yahoo MakeMicroMusic list&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt; - Another outgrowth of [tuning], in the direction of, let's hear some music! The emphasis is on sharing original microtonal music, which sometimes unfortunately devolves into endless tech-talk.&lt;br /&gt;
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-&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2229924481&amp;amp;v=wall" rel="nofollow"&gt;&amp;quot;Xenharmonic Alliance&amp;quot; group on Facebook&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
+&lt;span class="s6"&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2229924481&amp;amp;v=wall" rel="nofollow"&gt;&amp;quot;Xenharmonic Alliance&amp;quot; group on Facebook&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>

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