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[[Gencom]]: [2 56/25; 3136/3125]
[[Gencom]]: [2 56/25; 3136/3125]


[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): 2 = 1\1, ~28/25 = 193.772
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~28/25 = 193.772


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 19, 25, 31, 99, 130, 161, 353, 514c, 867c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 19, 25, 31, 99, 130, 161, 353, 514c, 867c }}
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Badness (Dirichlet): 0.091
Badness (Dirichlet): 0.091


=== Mediantone ===
=== Roulette ===
{{ See also | Roulette }}


In the no-3's [[11-limit]], there is a natural extension to prime 11 by equating [[25/16]] (which is already tuned sharp anyways) with [[11/7]] by tempering [[176/175]], which is the same route that [[undecimal meantone]] uses, as this is essentially a no-3's restriction of undecimal meantone in the 11-limit, except that undecimal meantone finds ~[[28/25]] at 2 generators (as a flat ~[[9/8]]) while here it is the generator. Mediantone is named after its whole tone generator serving as the two simplest [[mediant]]s of [[9/8]] and [[10/9]], namely [[19/17]] and [[28/25]], as well as by the observation that this temperament seems to have been repeatedly rediscovered in parts in a variety of contexts, so that it seems to exist as a "median" of all of these temperaments' logics. It is also an intentional play on "[[meantone]]", as the context one is most likely to first discover this logic is when the tone also represents [[10/9]][[~]][[9/8]]. We will cover related logics as they are relevant to the subgroup shown, such as undecimal meantone being the result of tempering 81/80 to find prime 3 so that the complexity of all mappings except 2 (the period) and 3 (the new gen) doubles.
In the no-3's [[11-limit]], there is a natural extension with prime 11 by equating [[25/16]] (which is already tuned sharp anyways) with [[11/7]] by tempering out [[176/175]], which is the same route that [[undecimal meantone]] uses, as this is essentially a no-3's restriction of undecimal meantone in the 11-limit, except that undecimal meantone finds ~[[28/25]] at 2 generators (as a flat ~[[9/8]]) while here it is the generator. This whole tone generator serves as the two simplest [[mediant]]s of [[9/8]] and [[10/9]], namely [[19/17]] and [[28/25]]. We will cover related logics as they are relevant to the subgroup shown, such as undecimal meantone tempering out 81/80 to find prime 3 so that the complexity of all mappings except 2 (the period) and 3 (the new gen) doubles.


Subgroup: 2.5.7.11 (no-3's [[11-limit]])
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11


Comma list: [[3136/3125]], [[176/175]]
Comma list: 176/175, 1375/1372


{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -3 -7 | 0 2 5 9 }}
Sval mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -3 -7 | 0 2 5 9 }}


: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~56/25
: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~56/25


Optimal tuning ([[CWE]]): 2 = 1\1, ~19/17 = 194.428
Optimal tuning (CWE): 2 = 1\1, ~28/25 = 194.428


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 19e, 25, 31, 37 }}
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 6, 19e, 25, 31, 37 }}
 
RMS error: 0.5567 cents


Badness (Dirichlet): 0.195
Badness (Dirichlet): 0.195


==== 2.5.7.11.13 ====
==== 2.5.7.11.13 subgroup ====
In the no-3's [[13-limit]], this temperament is identical to [[roulette]], so its higher-limit extensions may be seen as extensions of roulette if one prefers. It is also the same as [[hemiwur]] without a mapping for prime 3. The mapping of prime 13 is somewhat strange, because it is the only mapping that requires a negative amount of generators, and not by an insignificant amount, but it can be rationalized in a variety of ways, such as that because [[~]][[8/7]] is already tuned considerably flat, it makes sense to equate two of it with [[13/10]], as this is also how we find [[22/17]] in the no-3's 17-limit. The mapping of 13 increases the [[badness]] of the temperament as a result.
In the no-3's [[13-limit]], this temperament is [[hemiwur]] without a mapping for prime 3. The mapping of prime 13 is somewhat strange, because it is the only mapping that requires a negative amount of generators, and not by an insignificant amount, but it can be rationalized in a variety of ways, such as that because [[~]][[8/7]] is already tuned considerably flat, it makes sense to equate two of it with [[13/10]], as this is also how we find [[22/17]] in the no-3's 17-limit. The mapping of 13 increases the [[badness]] of the temperament as a result.


Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13 (no-3's [[13-limit]])
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13


Comma list: [[3136/3125]], [[176/175]], [[640/637]]
Comma list: 176/175, 640/637, 1375/1372


{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -3 -7 13 | 0 2 5 9 -8 }}
Sval mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -3 -7 13 | 0 2 5 9 -8 }}


: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~56/25
: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~56/25


Optimal tuning ([[CWE]]): 2 = 1\1, ~19/17 = 194.569
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 2 2 2 5 | 0 0 2 5 9 -8 }}
 
: gencom: [2 28/25; 176/175 1375/1372 640/637]
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): 2 = 1\1, ~28/25 = 194.594


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 25, 31, 37 }}
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 6, 25, 31, 37 }}


Badness (Dirichlet): 0.324
Badness (Dirichlet): 0.324


==== 2.5.7.11.13.17 ====
==== 2.5.7.11.13.17 subgroup ====
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17 (no-3's [[17-limit]])
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17


Comma list: [[3136/3125]], [[176/175]], [[640/637]], [[221/220]]
Comma list: 176/175, 640/637, 221/220, 1375/1372


{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -3 -7 13 -18 | 0 2 5 9 -8 19 }}
Sval mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -3 -7 13 -18 | 0 2 5 9 -8 19 }}


: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~56/25
: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~56/25


Optimal tuning ([[CWE]]): 2 = 1\1, ~19/17 = 194.887
Optimal tuning (CWE): ~2 = 1\1, ~28/25 = 194.887


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6h, 31gh, 37, 80, 117d }}
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 6h, 31gh, 37, 80, 117d }}


Badness (Dirichlet): 0.612
Badness (Dirichlet): 0.612


==== 2.5.7.11.13.17.19 ====
==== 2.5.7.11.13.17.19 subgroup ====
In the full no-3's [[19-limit]], this temperament is a structure common to quite a few temperaments. It is a rank 2 version of [[orion]] with a mapping for 13. It is a no-3's version of 19-limit [[grosstone]] which can be seen as an extension of [[undecimal meantone]] according to the "mediant-tone" logic of this temperament, and which as aforementioned effectively doubles the complexity of the temperament as a result of finding the generator of [[~]][[19/17]][[~]][[28/25]] as ([[~]][[3/2]])<sup>2</sup> / [[2/1|2]]. (It doesn't work so well as an extension for [[hemiwur]] to the full 19-limit, but if you want to try anyway, a notable patent tuning is [[37edo]], which finds prime 3 through the [[würschmidt]] mapping so that [[6/1]] is found at 16 generators.)
In the full no-3's [[19-limit]], this temperament is a structure common to quite a few temperaments. It is a rank-2 version of [[orion]] with a mapping for 13. It is a no-3's version of 19-limit [[grosstone]] which can be seen as an extension of [[undecimal meantone]] according to the "mediant-tone" logic of this temperament, and which as aforementioned effectively doubles the complexity of the temperament as a result of finding the generator of [[~]][[19/17]][[~]][[28/25]] as ([[~]][[3/2]])<sup>2</sup>/[[2/1|2]]. It does not work so well as an extension for [[hemiwur]] to the full 19-limit, but if you want to try anyway, a notable patent-val tuning is [[37edo]], which finds prime 3 through the [[würschmidt]] mapping so that [[6/1]] is found at 16 generators.


Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17.19 (no-3's [[19-limit]])
Subgroup: 2.5.7.11.13.17.19


Comma list: [[3136/3125]], [[176/175]], [[640/637]], [[221/220]], [[476/475]]
Comma list: 176/175, 640/637, 221/220, 476/475, 1375/1372


{{Mapping|legend=2| 1 0 -3 -7 13 -18 -19 | 0 2 5 9 -8 19 20 }}
Sval mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 -3 -7 13 -18 -19 | 0 2 5 9 -8 19 20 }}


: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~56/25
: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~56/25


Optimal tuning ([[CWE]]): 2 = 1\1, ~19/17 = 194.927
Optimal tuning (CWE): ~2 = 1\1, ~19/17 = 194.927


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6h, 31gh, 37, 80 }}
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 6h, 31gh, 37, 80 }}


Badness (Dirichlet): 0.618
Badness (Dirichlet): 0.618