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The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at. Septimal dicot, with wedgie &lt;&lt;2 1 3 -3 -1 4|| adds 36/35, sharp with wedgie &lt;&lt;2 1 6 -3 4 11|| adds 28/27, and dichotic with wedgie &lt;&lt;2 1 -4 -3 -12 -12|| ads 64/63, all retaining the same period and generator. Decimal with wedgie &lt;&lt;4 2 2 -6 -8 -1|| adds 49/48, sidi with wedgie &lt;&lt;4 2 9 -3 6 15|| adds 245/243, and jamesbond with wedgie &lt;&lt;0 0 7 0 11 16|| adds 81/80. Here decimal divides the period to 1/2 octave, and sidi uses 9/7 as a generator, with two of them making up the combined 5/3 and 8/5 neutral sixth. Jamesbond has a period of 1/7 octave, and uses an approximate 15/14 as generator.
The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at. Septimal dicot, with wedgie &lt;&lt;2 1 3 -3 -1 4|| adds 36/35, sharp with wedgie &lt;&lt;2 1 6 -3 4 11|| adds 28/27, and dichotic with wedgie &lt;&lt;2 1 -4 -3 -12 -12|| ads 64/63, all retaining the same period and generator. Decimal with wedgie &lt;&lt;4 2 2 -6 -8 -1|| adds 49/48, sidi with wedgie &lt;&lt;4 2 9 -3 6 15|| adds 245/243, and jamesbond with wedgie &lt;&lt;0 0 7 0 11 16|| adds 81/80. Here decimal divides the period to 1/2 octave, and sidi uses 9/7 as a generator, with two of them making up the combined 5/3 and 8/5 neutral sixth. Jamesbond has a period of 1/7 octave, and uses an approximate 15/14 as generator.


[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 348.594
=Dicot=
Comma: 25/24
 
POTE generator: ~5/4 = 348.594


Map: [&lt;1 1 2|, &lt;0 2 1|]
Map: [&lt;1 1 2|, &lt;0 2 1|]
EDOs: [[7edo|7]], [[10edo|10]], [[14edo|14c]], [[17edo|17]], [[24edo|24c]], [[31edo|31c]]
EDOs: [[7edo|7]], [[10edo|10]], [[14edo|14c]], [[17edo|17]], [[24edo|24c]], [[31edo|31c]]
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=7-limit dicot=
==7-limit==
[[Comma]]s: 15/14, 25/24
[[Comma]]s: 15/14, 25/24


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The &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/5-limit"&gt;5-limit&lt;/a&gt; parent &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/comma"&gt;comma&lt;/a&gt; for the dicot family is 25/24, the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/chromatic%20semitone"&gt;chromatic semitone&lt;/a&gt;. Its &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/monzo"&gt;monzo&lt;/a&gt; is |-3 -1 2&amp;gt;, and flipping that yields &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 1 -3|| for the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/wedgie"&gt;wedgie&lt;/a&gt;. This tells us the generator is a third (major and minor mean the same thing), and that two thirds gives a fifth. In fact, (5/4)^2 = 3/2 * 25/24. Possible tunings for dicot are &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7edo"&gt;7edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/24edo"&gt;24edo&lt;/a&gt; using the val &amp;lt;24 38 55| and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo"&gt;31edo&lt;/a&gt; using the val &amp;lt;31 49 71|. In a sense, what dicot is all about is using neutral thirds and pretending that's 5-limit, and like any temperament which seems to involve pretending dicot is at the edge of what can sensibly be called a temperament at all.&lt;br /&gt;
The &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/5-limit"&gt;5-limit&lt;/a&gt; parent &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/comma"&gt;comma&lt;/a&gt; for the dicot family is 25/24, the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/chromatic%20semitone"&gt;chromatic semitone&lt;/a&gt;. Its &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/monzo"&gt;monzo&lt;/a&gt; is |-3 -1 2&amp;gt;, and flipping that yields &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 1 -3|| for the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/wedgie"&gt;wedgie&lt;/a&gt;. This tells us the generator is a third (major and minor mean the same thing), and that two thirds gives a fifth. In fact, (5/4)^2 = 3/2 * 25/24. Possible tunings for dicot are &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7edo"&gt;7edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/24edo"&gt;24edo&lt;/a&gt; using the val &amp;lt;24 38 55| and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo"&gt;31edo&lt;/a&gt; using the val &amp;lt;31 49 71|. In a sense, what dicot is all about is using neutral thirds and pretending that's 5-limit, and like any temperament which seems to involve pretending dicot is at the edge of what can sensibly be called a temperament at all.&lt;br /&gt;
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The second comma of the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists"&gt;normal comma list&lt;/a&gt; defines which &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit"&gt;7-limit&lt;/a&gt; family member we are looking at. Septimal dicot, with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 1 3 -3 -1 4|| adds 36/35, sharp with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 1 6 -3 4 11|| adds 28/27, and dichotic with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 1 -4 -3 -12 -12|| ads 64/63, all retaining the same period and generator. Decimal with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;4 2 2 -6 -8 -1|| adds 49/48, sidi with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;4 2 9 -3 6 15|| adds 245/243, and jamesbond with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;0 0 7 0 11 16|| adds 81/80. Here decimal divides the period to 1/2 octave, and sidi uses 9/7 as a generator, with two of them making up the combined 5/3 and 8/5 neutral sixth. Jamesbond has a period of 1/7 octave, and uses an approximate 15/14 as generator.&lt;br /&gt;
The second comma of the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists"&gt;normal comma list&lt;/a&gt; defines which &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit"&gt;7-limit&lt;/a&gt; family member we are looking at. Septimal dicot, with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 1 3 -3 -1 4|| adds 36/35, sharp with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 1 6 -3 4 11|| adds 28/27, and dichotic with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 1 -4 -3 -12 -12|| ads 64/63, all retaining the same period and generator. Decimal with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;4 2 2 -6 -8 -1|| adds 49/48, sidi with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;4 2 9 -3 6 15|| adds 245/243, and jamesbond with wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;0 0 7 0 11 16|| adds 81/80. Here decimal divides the period to 1/2 octave, and sidi uses 9/7 as a generator, with two of them making up the combined 5/3 and 8/5 neutral sixth. Jamesbond has a period of 1/7 octave, and uses an approximate 15/14 as generator.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;: 348.594&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;1 1 2|, &amp;lt;0 2 1|]&lt;br /&gt;
Map: [&amp;lt;1 1 2|, &amp;lt;0 2 1|]&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7edo"&gt;7&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/10edo"&gt;10&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/14edo"&gt;14c&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/17edo"&gt;17&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/24edo"&gt;24c&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo"&gt;31c&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/7edo"&gt;7&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/10edo"&gt;10&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/14edo"&gt;14c&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/17edo"&gt;17&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/24edo"&gt;24c&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo"&gt;31c&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma"&gt;Comma&lt;/a&gt;s: 15/14, 25/24&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 15/14, 22/21, 25/24&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 15/14, 22/21, 25/24&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 25/24, 28/27&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 25/24, 28/27&lt;br /&gt;
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EDOs: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/10edo"&gt;10&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/37edo"&gt;37cd&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/57edo"&gt;57bcd&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 25/24, 49/48&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 25/24, 33/32, 49/48&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 25/24, 45/44, 64/63&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 25/24, 81/80&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[5-limit]] parent [[comma]] for the dicot family is 25/24, the [[chromatic semitone]]. Its [[monzo]] is |-3 -1 2>, and flipping that yields <<2 1 -3|| for the [[wedgie]]. This tells us the generator is a third (major and minor mean the same thing), and that two thirds gives a fifth. In fact, (5/4)^2 = 3/2 * 25/24. Possible tunings for dicot are [[7edo]], [[24edo]] using the val <24 38 55| and [[31edo]] using the val <31 49 71|. In a sense, what dicot is all about is using neutral thirds and pretending that's 5-limit, and like any temperament which seems to involve pretending dicot is at the edge of what can sensibly be called a temperament at all.


==Seven limit children==
The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at. Septimal dicot, with wedgie <<2 1 3 -3 -1 4|| adds 36/35, sharp with wedgie <<2 1 6 -3 4 11|| adds 28/27, and dichotic with wedgie <<2 1 -4 -3 -12 -12|| ads 64/63, all retaining the same period and generator. Decimal with wedgie <<4 2 2 -6 -8 -1|| adds 49/48, sidi with wedgie <<4 2 9 -3 6 15|| adds 245/243, and jamesbond with wedgie <<0 0 7 0 11 16|| adds 81/80. Here decimal divides the period to 1/2 octave, and sidi uses 9/7 as a generator, with two of them making up the combined 5/3 and 8/5 neutral sixth. Jamesbond has a period of 1/7 octave, and uses an approximate 15/14 as generator.

=Dicot=
Comma: 25/24

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 348.594

Map: [<1 1 2|, <0 2 1|]
EDOs: [[7edo|7]], [[10edo|10]], [[14edo|14c]], [[17edo|17]], [[24edo|24c]], [[31edo|31c]]
Badness: 0.0130

==7-limit==
[[Comma]]s: 15/14, 25/24

[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 336.381

Map: [<1 1 2 3|, <0 2 1 3|]
Wedgie: <<2 1 3 -3 -1 4||
EDOs: 4, 7, [[11edo|11c]], [[14edo|14cd]], [[18edo|18bc]], [[25edo|25bcd]]
Badness: 0.0199

==11-limit==
Commas: 15/14, 22/21, 25/24

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 342.125

Map: [<1 1 2 2 2|, <0 2 1 3 5|]
EDOs: 4e, 7
Badness: 0.0199

=Sharp=
Commas: 25/24, 28/27

[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 357.938

Map: [<1 1 2 1|, <0 2 1 6|]
EDOs: [[10edo|10]], [[37edo|37cd]], [[57edo|57bcd]]

=Decimal=
Commas: 25/24, 49/48

[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: ~7/6 = 251.557

Map: [<2 0 3 4|, <0 2 1 1|]
Wedgie: <<4 2 2 -6 -8 -1||
EDOs: [[10edo|10]], [[14edo|14c]], [[24edo|24c]], [[38edo|38cd]]
Badness: 0.0283

==11-limit==
Commas: 25/24, 45/44, 49/48

[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: ~7/6 = 253.493

Map: [<2 0 3 4 -1|, <0 2 1 1 5|]
EDOs: 10, 14c, 24c, 38cd
Badness: 0.0267

==Decimated==
Commas: 25/24, 33/32, 49/48

[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: ~7/6 = 255.066

Map: [<2 0 3 4 10|, <0 2 1 1 -2|]
EDOs: 4, 10e, 14c
Badness: 0.0315

=Dichotic=
Commas: 25/24, 64/63

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 356.264

Map: [<1 1 2 4|, <0 2 1 -4|]
Wedgie: <<2 1 -4 -3 -12 -12||
EDOs: 7, 10, 17, 27c, 37c
Badness: 0.0376

==11-limit==
Commas: 25/24, 45/44, 64/63

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 354.262

Map: [<1 1 2 4 2|, <0 2 1 -4 5|]
EDOs: 7, 10, 17, 27ce, 44ce
Badness: 0.0307

=Jamesbond=
Commas: 25/24, 81/80

[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 86.710

Map: [<7 11 16 20|, <0 0 0 -1|]
EDOs: 7, [[14edo|14c]]

=Sidi=
Commas: 25/24, 245/243

[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: ~9/7 = 427.208

Map: [<1 3 3 6|, <0 -4 -2 -9|]
EDOs: [[14edo|14c]], [[45edo|45c]], <59 93 135 165|
Badness: 0.0566

==11-limit==
Commas: 25/24, 45/44, 99/98

POTE generator: ~9/7 = 427.273

Map: [<1 3 3 6 7|, <0 -4 -2 -9 -10|]
EDOs: 14c, 17, 45ce, 59bccde
Badness: 0.0330

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The <a class="wiki_link" href="/5-limit">5-limit</a> parent <a class="wiki_link" href="/comma">comma</a> for the dicot family is 25/24, the <a class="wiki_link" href="/chromatic%20semitone">chromatic semitone</a>. Its <a class="wiki_link" href="/monzo">monzo</a> is |-3 -1 2&gt;, and flipping that yields &lt;&lt;2 1 -3|| for the <a class="wiki_link" href="/wedgie">wedgie</a>. This tells us the generator is a third (major and minor mean the same thing), and that two thirds gives a fifth. In fact, (5/4)^2 = 3/2 * 25/24. Possible tunings for dicot are <a class="wiki_link" href="/7edo">7edo</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/24edo">24edo</a> using the val &lt;24 38 55| and <a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo">31edo</a> using the val &lt;31 49 71|. In a sense, what dicot is all about is using neutral thirds and pretending that's 5-limit, and like any temperament which seems to involve pretending dicot is at the edge of what can sensibly be called a temperament at all.<br />
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The second comma of the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists">normal comma list</a> defines which <a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit">7-limit</a> family member we are looking at. Septimal dicot, with wedgie &lt;&lt;2 1 3 -3 -1 4|| adds 36/35, sharp with wedgie &lt;&lt;2 1 6 -3 4 11|| adds 28/27, and dichotic with wedgie &lt;&lt;2 1 -4 -3 -12 -12|| ads 64/63, all retaining the same period and generator. Decimal with wedgie &lt;&lt;4 2 2 -6 -8 -1|| adds 49/48, sidi with wedgie &lt;&lt;4 2 9 -3 6 15|| adds 245/243, and jamesbond with wedgie &lt;&lt;0 0 7 0 11 16|| adds 81/80. Here decimal divides the period to 1/2 octave, and sidi uses 9/7 as a generator, with two of them making up the combined 5/3 and 8/5 neutral sixth. Jamesbond has a period of 1/7 octave, and uses an approximate 15/14 as generator.<br />
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Comma: 25/24<br />
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 348.594<br />
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Map: [&lt;1 1 2|, &lt;0 2 1|]<br />
EDOs: <a class="wiki_link" href="/7edo">7</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/10edo">10</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/14edo">14c</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/17edo">17</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/24edo">24c</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo">31c</a><br />
Badness: 0.0130<br />
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/Comma">Comma</a>s: 15/14, 25/24<br />
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: ~5/4 = 336.381<br />
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Map: [&lt;1 1 2 3|, &lt;0 2 1 3|]<br />
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;2 1 3 -3 -1 4||<br />
EDOs: 4, 7, <a class="wiki_link" href="/11edo">11c</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/14edo">14cd</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/18edo">18bc</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/25edo">25bcd</a><br />
Badness: 0.0199<br />
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Commas: 15/14, 22/21, 25/24<br />
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 342.125<br />
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Map: [&lt;1 1 2 2 2|, &lt;0 2 1 3 5|]<br />
EDOs: 4e, 7<br />
Badness: 0.0199<br />
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Commas: 25/24, 28/27<br />
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: 357.938<br />
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Map: [&lt;1 1 2 1|, &lt;0 2 1 6|]<br />
EDOs: <a class="wiki_link" href="/10edo">10</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/37edo">37cd</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/57edo">57bcd</a><br />
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Commas: 25/24, 49/48<br />
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: ~7/6 = 251.557<br />
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Map: [&lt;2 0 3 4|, &lt;0 2 1 1|]<br />
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;4 2 2 -6 -8 -1||<br />
EDOs: <a class="wiki_link" href="/10edo">10</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/14edo">14c</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/24edo">24c</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/38edo">38cd</a><br />
Badness: 0.0283<br />
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Commas: 25/24, 45/44, 49/48<br />
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: ~7/6 = 253.493<br />
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Map: [&lt;2 0 3 4 -1|, &lt;0 2 1 1 5|]<br />
EDOs: 10, 14c, 24c, 38cd<br />
Badness: 0.0267<br />
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Commas: 25/24, 33/32, 49/48<br />
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: ~7/6 = 255.066<br />
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Map: [&lt;2 0 3 4 10|, &lt;0 2 1 1 -2|]<br />
EDOs: 4, 10e, 14c<br />
Badness: 0.0315<br />
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Commas: 25/24, 64/63<br />
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 356.264<br />
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Map: [&lt;1 1 2 4|, &lt;0 2 1 -4|]<br />
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;2 1 -4 -3 -12 -12||<br />
EDOs: 7, 10, 17, 27c, 37c<br />
Badness: 0.0376<br />
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Commas: 25/24, 45/44, 64/63<br />
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POTE generator: ~5/4 = 354.262<br />
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Map: [&lt;1 1 2 4 2|, &lt;0 2 1 -4 5|]<br />
EDOs: 7, 10, 17, 27ce, 44ce<br />
Badness: 0.0307<br />
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Commas: 25/24, 81/80<br />
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: 86.710<br />
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Map: [&lt;7 11 16 20|, &lt;0 0 0 -1|]<br />
EDOs: 7, <a class="wiki_link" href="/14edo">14c</a><br />
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Commas: 25/24, 245/243<br />
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: ~9/7 = 427.208<br />
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Map: [&lt;1 3 3 6|, &lt;0 -4 -2 -9|]<br />
EDOs: <a class="wiki_link" href="/14edo">14c</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/45edo">45c</a>, &lt;59 93 135 165|<br />
Badness: 0.0566<br />
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Commas: 25/24, 45/44, 99/98<br />
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POTE generator: ~9/7 = 427.273<br />
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Map: [&lt;1 3 3 6 7|, &lt;0 -4 -2 -9 -10|]<br />
EDOs: 14c, 17, 45ce, 59bccde<br />
Badness: 0.0330</body></html>