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====11-limit====
====11-limit====
Commas: 126/125, 176/175, 896/891
Commas: 126/125, 176/175, 896/891


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Keen adds 875/864 as well as 2240/2187 to the set of commas, and has wedgie &lt;&lt;2 -4 18 -11 23 53||. It may also be described as the 22&amp;56 temperament. [[78edo|78et]] is a good tuning choice, and remains a good one in the 11-limit, where keen, &lt;&lt;2 -4 18 -12 ...||, is really more interesting, adding 100/99 and 385/384 to the commas.
Keen adds 875/864 as well as 2240/2187 to the set of commas, and has wedgie &lt;&lt;2 -4 18 -11 23 53||. It may also be described as the 22&amp;56 temperament. [[78edo|78et]] is a good tuning choice, and remains a good one in the 11-limit, where keen, &lt;&lt;2 -4 18 -12 ...||, is really more interesting, adding 100/99 and 385/384 to the commas.


[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]:
Commas: 2048/2025, 875/864
 
[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 707.571
 
Map: [&lt;2 0 11 -23|, &lt;0 1 -2 9|]
 
EDOs: 22, 56, 78


====11-limit====
====11-limit====
Commas: 100/99, 385/384, 1232/1215
[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 707.609
Map: [&lt;2 0 11 -23 26|, &lt;0 1 -2 9 -6|]


[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]:
EDOs: 22, 56, 78


===Echidna===
===Echidna===
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Echidna becomes more interesting when extended to be an 11-limit temperament by adding 176/175, 896/891 or 540/539 to the commas, where the same tunings can be used as before. It then is able to represent the entire 11-limit diamond to within about six cents of error, within a compass of 24 notes. The 28 note 2MOS gives scope for this, and the 36 note MOS much more.
Echidna becomes more interesting when extended to be an 11-limit temperament by adding 176/175, 896/891 or 540/539 to the commas, where the same tunings can be used as before. It then is able to represent the entire 11-limit diamond to within about six cents of error, within a compass of 24 notes. The 28 note 2MOS gives scope for this, and the 36 note MOS much more.


[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]:
Commas: 2048/2025, 1728/1715
 
[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 434.856
 
Map: [&lt;2 1 9 2|, &lt;0 3 -6 5|]
 
EDOs: 22, 58, 80, 138, 218


====11-limit====
====11-limit====
Commas: 176/175, 896/891, 540/539
[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 434.852
Map: [&lt;2 1 9 2 12|, &lt;0 3 -6 5 -7|]


[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]:
EDOs: 22, 58, 80, 138, 218


===Shrutar===
===Shrutar===
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By adding 121/120 or 176/175 to the commas, shrutar can be extended to the 11-limit, which loses a bit of accuracy, but picks up low-complexity 11-limit harmony, making shrutar quite an interesting 11-limit system. 68, 114 or a 14^(1/7) generator can again be used as tunings.
By adding 121/120 or 176/175 to the commas, shrutar can be extended to the 11-limit, which loses a bit of accuracy, but picks up low-complexity 11-limit harmony, making shrutar quite an interesting 11-limit system. 68, 114 or a 14^(1/7) generator can again be used as tunings.


[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]:
Commas: 2048/2025, 245/243
 
[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 52.811
 
Map: [&lt;2 1 9 -2|, &lt;0 2 -4 7|]
 
EDOs: 22, 46, 68, 250


====11-limit====
====11-limit====
Commas: 2048/2025, 245/243, 121/120
[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 52.680
Map: [&lt;2 1 9 -2 8|, &lt;0 2 -4 7 -1|]


[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]:</pre></div>
EDOs: 22, 46, 68, 114, 410</pre></div>
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;Diaschismic family&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;The 5-limit parent comma for the diaschismic family is 2048/2025, the diaschisma. Its monzo is |11 -4 -2&amp;gt;, and flipping that yields &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 -4 -11|| for the wedgie. This tells us the period is half an octave, the GCD of 2 and -4, and that the generator is a fifth. Three periods gives 1800 cents, and decreasing this by two fifths gives the major third. &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/34edo"&gt;34edo&lt;/a&gt; is a good tuning choice, with &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/46edo"&gt;46edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/56edo"&gt;56edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/58edo"&gt;58edo&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/80edo"&gt;80edo&lt;/a&gt; being other possibilities. Both &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo"&gt;12edo&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo"&gt;22edo&lt;/a&gt; support it, and retuning them to a MOS of diaschismic gives two scale possibilities.&lt;br /&gt;
<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;Diaschismic family&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;The 5-limit parent comma for the diaschismic family is 2048/2025, the diaschisma. Its monzo is |11 -4 -2&amp;gt;, and flipping that yields &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 -4 -11|| for the wedgie. This tells us the period is half an octave, the GCD of 2 and -4, and that the generator is a fifth. Three periods gives 1800 cents, and decreasing this by two fifths gives the major third. &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/34edo"&gt;34edo&lt;/a&gt; is a good tuning choice, with &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/46edo"&gt;46edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/56edo"&gt;56edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/58edo"&gt;58edo&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/80edo"&gt;80edo&lt;/a&gt; being other possibilities. Both &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo"&gt;12edo&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo"&gt;22edo&lt;/a&gt; support it, and retuning them to a MOS of diaschismic gives two scale possibilities.&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 126/125, 176/175, 896/891&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 126/125, 176/175, 896/891&lt;br /&gt;
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Keen adds 875/864 as well as 2240/2187 to the set of commas, and has wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 -4 18 -11 23 53||. It may also be described as the 22&amp;amp;56 temperament. &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/78edo"&gt;78et&lt;/a&gt; is a good tuning choice, and remains a good one in the 11-limit, where keen, &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 -4 18 -12 ...||, is really more interesting, adding 100/99 and 385/384 to the commas.&lt;br /&gt;
Keen adds 875/864 as well as 2240/2187 to the set of commas, and has wedgie &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 -4 18 -11 23 53||. It may also be described as the 22&amp;amp;56 temperament. &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/78edo"&gt;78et&lt;/a&gt; is a good tuning choice, and remains a good one in the 11-limit, where keen, &amp;lt;&amp;lt;2 -4 18 -12 ...||, is really more interesting, adding 100/99 and 385/384 to the commas.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 2048/2025, 875/864&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;: 707.571&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;2 0 11 -23|, &amp;lt;0 1 -2 9|]&lt;br /&gt;
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EDOs: 22, 56, 78&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 100/99, 385/384, 1232/1215&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;: 707.609&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;2 0 11 -23 26|, &amp;lt;0 1 -2 9 -6|]&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 22, 56, 78&lt;br /&gt;
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Echidna becomes more interesting when extended to be an 11-limit temperament by adding 176/175, 896/891 or 540/539 to the commas, where the same tunings can be used as before. It then is able to represent the entire 11-limit diamond to within about six cents of error, within a compass of 24 notes. The 28 note 2MOS gives scope for this, and the 36 note MOS much more.&lt;br /&gt;
Echidna becomes more interesting when extended to be an 11-limit temperament by adding 176/175, 896/891 or 540/539 to the commas, where the same tunings can be used as before. It then is able to represent the entire 11-limit diamond to within about six cents of error, within a compass of 24 notes. The 28 note 2MOS gives scope for this, and the 36 note MOS much more.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 2048/2025, 1728/1715&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;: 434.856&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;2 1 9 2|, &amp;lt;0 3 -6 5|]&lt;br /&gt;
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EDOs: 22, 58, 80, 138, 218&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 176/175, 896/891, 540/539&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;: 434.852&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;2 1 9 2 12|, &amp;lt;0 3 -6 5 -7|]&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 22, 58, 80, 138, 218&lt;br /&gt;
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By adding 121/120 or 176/175 to the commas, shrutar can be extended to the 11-limit, which loses a bit of accuracy, but picks up low-complexity 11-limit harmony, making shrutar quite an interesting 11-limit system. 68, 114 or a 14^(1/7) generator can again be used as tunings.&lt;br /&gt;
By adding 121/120 or 176/175 to the commas, shrutar can be extended to the 11-limit, which loses a bit of accuracy, but picks up low-complexity 11-limit harmony, making shrutar quite an interesting 11-limit system. 68, 114 or a 14^(1/7) generator can again be used as tunings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
Commas: 2048/2025, 245/243&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;: 52.811&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;2 1 9 -2|, &amp;lt;0 2 -4 7|]&lt;br /&gt;
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EDOs: 22, 46, 68, 250&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:24:&amp;lt;h4&amp;gt; --&gt;&lt;h4 id="toc12"&gt;&lt;a name="x-Seven limit children-Shrutar-11-limit"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:24 --&gt;11-limit&lt;/h4&gt;
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Commas: 2048/2025, 245/243, 121/120&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;: 52.680&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;2 1 9 -2 8|, &amp;lt;0 2 -4 7 -1|]&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
EDOs: 22, 46, 68, 114, 410&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>