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=== Superpyth ===
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Commas: 64/63, 245/243
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POTE generator: ~3/2 = 710.291
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


Map: [&lt;1 0 -12 6|, &lt;0 1 9 -2|]
Comma list: 64/63, 245/243


Wedgie: &lt;&lt;1 9 -2 12 -6 -30||
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 -12 6 }}, {{val| 0 1 9 -2 }}]


EDOs: 5, 17, 22, 27, 49
Wedgie: {{wedgie| 1 9 -2 12 -6 -30 }}
 
{{Val list|legend=1| 5, 17, 22, 27, 49 }}


Badness: 0.0323
Badness: 0.0323


==== 11-limit ====
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Commas: 64/63, 100/99, 245/243


POTE generator: ~3/2 = 710.175
; 11-limit superpyth


Map: [&lt;1 0 -12 6 -22|, &lt;0 1 9 -2 16|]
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EDOs: 22, 27e, 49
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 64/63, 100/99, 245/243
 
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 -12 6 -22 }}, {{val| 0 1 9 -2 16 }}]
 
{{Val list|legend=1| 22, 27e, 49 }}


Badness: 0.0250
Badness: 0.0250


==== 13-limit ====
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Commas: 64/63, 78/77, 91/90, 100/99
 
; 13-limit superpyth
 
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POTE generator: ~3/2 = 710.479
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Map: [&lt;1 0 -12 6 -22 -17|, &lt;0 1 9 -2 16 13|]
Comma list: 64/63, 78/77, 91/90, 100/99


EDOs: 22, 27e, 49, 76bcde
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 -12 6 -22 -17 }}, {{val| 0 1 9 -2 16 13 }}]
 
{{Val list|legend=1| 22, 27e, 49, 76bcde }}


Badness: 0.0247
Badness: 0.0247


=== Suprapyth ===
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Commas: 55/54, 64/63, 99/98


POTE generator: ~3/2 = 709.495
; 11-limit suprapyth


Map: [&lt;1 0 -12 6 13|, &lt;0 1 9 -2 -6|]
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EDOs: 5, 17, 22
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 99/98
 
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 -12 6 13 }}, {{val| 0 1 9 -2 -6 }}]
 
{{Val list|legend=1| 17, 22 }}


Badness: 0.0328
Badness: 0.0328
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; 13-limit suprapyth
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 65/63, 99/98
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 -12 6 13 18 }}, {{val| 0 1 9 -2 -6 -9 }}]
{{Val list|legend=1| 17, 22, 83cdf }}
Badness: 0.0363
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== Interval chains ==
== Interval chains ==

Revision as of 15:40, 16 February 2021

Superpyth, a member of the Archytas clan, has 4/3 as a generator, and the Archytas comma 64/63 is tempered out, so two generators represents 7/4 in addition to 16/9. Since 4/3 is a generator we can use the same standard chain-of-fourths notation that is also used for meantone and 12edo, with the understanding that, for example, A# is sharper than Bb (in contrast to meantone where A# is flatter than Bb, or 12edo where they are identical). An interesting coincidence is that the plastic number has a value of ~486.822 cents, which, taken as a generator and assuming an octave period, constitutes a variety of superpyth.

If the 5th harmonic is used at all, it is mapped to -9 generators, so C-D# is 5/4. So superpyth is "the opposite" of septimal meantone in several different ways: meantone has 4/3 tempered wide so that intervals of 5 are simple and intervals of 7 are complex, while superpyth has 4/3 tempered narrow so that intervals of 7 are simple while intervals of 5 are complex.

If intervals of 11 are desired, the simplest reasonable way is to map 11/8 to 6 generators (so 11/8 is a "diminished fifth"), by tempering out 99/98. This temperament is called "supra", or "suprapyth".

MOSes include 5, 7, 12, 17, and 22.

Temperament data

Technical data

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 64/63, 245/243

Mapping: [1 0 -12 6], 0 1 9 -2]]

Wedgie: ⟨⟨1 9 -2 12 -6 -30]]

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.0323

11-limit superpyth
Technical data

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 64/63, 100/99, 245/243

Mapping: [1 0 -12 6 -22], 0 1 9 -2 16]]

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Badness: 0.0250

13-limit superpyth
Technical data

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 64/63, 78/77, 91/90, 100/99

Mapping: [1 0 -12 6 -22 -17], 0 1 9 -2 16 13]]

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Badness: 0.0247

11-limit suprapyth
Technical data

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 99/98

Mapping: [1 0 -12 6 13], 0 1 9 -2 -6]]

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.0328

13-limit suprapyth
Technical data

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 65/63, 99/98

Mapping: [1 0 -12 6 13 18], 0 1 9 -2 -6 -9]]

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.0363

Interval chains

Basic superpyth (2.3.7)
1146.61 437.29 927.97 218.64 709.32 0 490.68 981.36 272.03 762.71 53.39
27/14 9/7 12/7 9/8~8/7 3/2 1/1 4/3 7/4~16/9 7/6 14/9 28/27
Full 7-limit superpyth
613.20 1102.91 392.62 882.33 172.04 661.75 1151.46 441.16 930.87 220.58 710.29 0 489.71 979.42 269.13 758.84 48.54 538.25 1027.96 317.67 807.38 97.09 586.80
10/7 15/8 5/4 5/3 10/9 27/14 9/7 12/7 9/8~8/7 3/2 1/1 4/3 7/4~16/9 7/6 14/9 28/27 9/5 6/5 8/5 16/15 7/5
Supra (2.3.7.11)
857.54 150.35 643.15 1135.96 428.77 921.58 214.38 707.19 0 492.81 985.62 278.42 771.23 64.04 556.85 1049.65 342.46
18/11 12/11 16/11 27/14 14/11~9/7 12/7 9/8~8/7 3/2 1/1 4/3 7/4~16/9 7/6 14/9~11/7 33/32~28/27 11/8 11/6 11/9
Full 11-limit suprapyth
604.44 1094.94 385.45 875.96 166.46 656.97 1147.47 437.98 928.48 218.99 709.49 0 490.51 981.01 271.52 762.02 52.53 543.03 1033.54 324.04 814.55 105.06 595.56
10/7 15/8 5/4 18/11~5/3 12/11~10/9 16/11 27/14 14/11~9/7 12/7 9/8~8/7 3/2 1/1 4/3 7/4~16/9 7/6 14/9~11/7 33/32~28/27 11/8 9/5~11/6 6/5~11/9 8/5 16/15 7/5

MOS scales

5-note (LsLss, proper)
See 2L 3s.
7-note (LLLsLLs, improper)
See 5L 2s. In contrast to the meantone diatonic scale, the superpyth diatonic is slightly improper.
12-note (LsLsLssLsLss, borderline improper)
See 5L 7s. The boundary of propriety is 17edo.

Spectrum of superpyth tunings

Eigenmonzo Generator Comment
4/3 701.955
(10\17) 705.882
28/27 707.408 1/5 comma
9/7 708.771 1/4 comma, 1.3.7.9 minimax
16/15 708.807
(13\22) 709.091
5/4 709.590 9-odd-limit minimax
54/49 709.745 2/7 comma
25/24 710.040
(29\49) 710.204
6/5 710.545
7/5 710.681 7-odd-limit minimax
7/6 711.043 1/3 comma, 1.3.7 minimax
(16\27) 711.111
10/9 711.772
49/48 712.861 2/5 comma
8/7 715.587 1/2 comma

Music

By Joel Grant Taylor, all in Superpyth[12] in 22edo tuning.