16edo: Difference between revisions
Wikispaces>genewardsmith **Imported revision 189144551 - Original comment: ** |
Wikispaces>genewardsmith **Imported revision 189929578 - Original comment: ** |
||
| Line 1: | Line 1: | ||
<h2>IMPORTED REVISION FROM WIKISPACES</h2> | <h2>IMPORTED REVISION FROM WIKISPACES</h2> | ||
This is an imported revision from Wikispaces. The revision metadata is included below for reference:<br> | This is an imported revision from Wikispaces. The revision metadata is included below for reference:<br> | ||
: This revision was by author [[User:genewardsmith|genewardsmith]] and made on <tt>2010-12- | : This revision was by author [[User:genewardsmith|genewardsmith]] and made on <tt>2010-12-24 15:25:03 UTC</tt>.<br> | ||
: The original revision id was <tt> | : The original revision id was <tt>189929578</tt>.<br> | ||
: The revision comment was: <tt></tt><br> | : The revision comment was: <tt></tt><br> | ||
The revision contents are below, presented both in the original Wikispaces Wikitext format, and in HTML exactly as Wikispaces rendered it.<br> | The revision contents are below, presented both in the original Wikispaces Wikitext format, and in HTML exactly as Wikispaces rendered it.<br> | ||
| Line 10: | Line 10: | ||
16-edo equal temperament is the division of the octave into sixteen narrow chromatic semitones each of 75 cents exactly. It is not especially good at representing most low-integer musical intervals, but it has a 7/4 which is six cents sharp, and a 5/4 which is eleven cents flat. Four steps of it gives the 300 cent minor third interval identical to that of 12-edo, giving it four diminished seventh chords exactly like those of 12-edo, and a diminished triad on each scale step. | 16-edo equal temperament is the division of the octave into sixteen narrow chromatic semitones each of 75 cents exactly. It is not especially good at representing most low-integer musical intervals, but it has a 7/4 which is six cents sharp, and a 5/4 which is eleven cents flat. Four steps of it gives the 300 cent minor third interval identical to that of 12-edo, giving it four diminished seventh chords exactly like those of 12-edo, and a diminished triad on each scale step. | ||
=Hexadecaphonic Octave Theory= | =Hexadecaphonic Octave Theory= | ||
The scale supports the diminished temperament with its 1/4 octave period, though its generator size, equal to its step size of 75 cents, is smaller than ideal. Its very flat "blown fifth" of 675 cents means it works as a mavila temperament tuning. For a 16-edo version of Indonesian music, four small steps of 225 cents and one large one of 300 cents gives a [[MOSScales|MOS]] version of the Slendro scale, and five small steps of 150 cents with two large ones of 225 steps a Pelog-like MOS. The temperament could be popular for its easy manageability of 150 cent intervals 3/4, 9/4 and 21/4-tones. The 25 cent difference in the steps can have a similar effect the [[scales of Olympos have]] with buried enharmonic genera. | The scale supports the diminished temperament with its 1/4 octave period, though its generator size, equal to its step size of 75 cents, is smaller than ideal. Its very flat "blown fifth" of 675 cents means it works as a mavila temperament tuning. For a 16-edo version of Indonesian music, four small steps of 225 cents and one large one of 300 cents gives a [[MOSScales|MOS]] version of the Slendro scale, and five small steps of 150 cents with two large ones of 225 steps a Pelog-like MOS. The temperament could be popular for its easy manageability of 150 cent intervals 3/4, 9/4 and 21/4-tones. The 25 cent difference in the steps can have a similar effect the [[scales of Olympos have]] with buried enharmonic genera. | ||
16edo is also a tuning for the [[Jubilismic clan|no-threes 7-limit temperament tempering out 50/49]]. This has a flat major third as generator, for which 16edo provides 5/16 octaves. For this, there are MOS of sizes 7, 10, and 13. | |||
16-edo can be treated as four interwoven diminished seventh arpeggios, or as two interwoven 8-edo scales (narrow 11-limit whole tones which when stacked produce traditional 300 cent minor third intervals). There are two minor seventh intervals, a harmonic seventh at step 13, a 7/4 ratio approximation, off by 3.5879 cents, followed by an undecimal 11/6 ratio or neutral seventh. The septimal can be the 9/4th tone or septimal semi diminished fourth (35/27 ratio) , semi-augmented fifth (54/35), harmonic seventh (7/4), and septimal whole tone 8/7. The Undecimal intervals are the 3/4 tone or undecimal neutral second (12/11), and the 21/4th tone or undecimal neutral seventh (11/6). Another xenharmonic aspect of 16-tone is how the 11-limit whole tone scale, using the neutral second, interlocks with the diminished scale, similar to the augmented scale and whole tone relationship in 12-tone (the whole tone divides the major third in 12, in 16-its the minor third). | 16-edo can be treated as four interwoven diminished seventh arpeggios, or as two interwoven 8-edo scales (narrow 11-limit whole tones which when stacked produce traditional 300 cent minor third intervals). There are two minor seventh intervals, a harmonic seventh at step 13, a 7/4 ratio approximation, off by 3.5879 cents, followed by an undecimal 11/6 ratio or neutral seventh. The septimal can be the 9/4th tone or septimal semi diminished fourth (35/27 ratio) , semi-augmented fifth (54/35), harmonic seventh (7/4), and septimal whole tone 8/7. The Undecimal intervals are the 3/4 tone or undecimal neutral second (12/11), and the 21/4th tone or undecimal neutral seventh (11/6). Another xenharmonic aspect of 16-tone is how the 11-limit whole tone scale, using the neutral second, interlocks with the diminished scale, similar to the augmented scale and whole tone relationship in 12-tone (the whole tone divides the major third in 12, in 16-its the minor third). | ||
In 16-tone, because of the 25 cent difference in the steps from 100 in 12-tone, a western "twelve tone ear" hears dissonance with more complexity and less familiarity than even 24-tone, yet within a more manageable number of tones and a strange familiarity - the diminished family | In 16-tone, because of the 25 cent difference in the steps from 100 in 12-tone, a western "twelve tone ear" hears dissonance with more complexity and less familiarity than even 24-tone, yet within a more manageable number of tones and a strange familiarity - the diminished family - making 16-edo is a truly xenharmonic system. | ||
- making 16-edo is a truly xenharmonic system. | |||
If we take the 300-cent minor third as an approximation of the harmonic 19th (19/16, approximately 297.5 cents), that adds another overtone which can combine with the approximation of the harmonic seventh to form a 16:19:28 triad. The interval between the 28th & 19th overtones, 28:19, measures approximately 671.3 cents, which is 3.7 cents away from 16edo's "narrow fifth". Example on Goldsmith board: [[image:http://www.ronsword.com/161928%20copy.jpg width="158" height="92"]]Another voicing for this chord is 14:16:19, which features 19:14 as the outer interval (528.7 cents just, 525.0 cents in 16edo). A perhaps more consonant open voicing is 7:16:19. | |||
[[image:http://ronsword.com/DSgoldsmith_piece.jpg width="1120" height="380"]] | |||
---- | |||
In 16-edo diatonic scales are dissonant because of the 25 cent raised superfourth in conjunction with the 25 cent subtracted fifth / poor 3/2 approximation. The septimal semi diminished fourth can be more desirable. Perhaps using Moment of Symmetry Scales an alternative temperament families like the "Anti-Diatonic" Mavila (which reverses step sizes of diatonic), Diminished, Happy, Rice, Grumpy, Mosh, Magic, Lemba, Cynder, and Decatonic can be more interesting and suitable: | In 16-edo diatonic scales are dissonant because of the 25 cent raised superfourth in conjunction with the 25 cent subtracted fifth / poor 3/2 approximation. The septimal semi diminished fourth can be more desirable. Perhaps using Moment of Symmetry Scales an alternative temperament families like the "Anti-Diatonic" Mavila (which reverses step sizes of diatonic), Diminished, Happy, Rice, Grumpy, Mosh, Magic, Lemba, Cynder, and Decatonic can be more interesting and suitable: | ||
| Line 96: | Line 99: | ||
16-edo equal temperament is the division of the octave into sixteen narrow chromatic semitones each of 75 cents exactly. It is not especially good at representing most low-integer musical intervals, but it has a 7/4 which is six cents sharp, and a 5/4 which is eleven cents flat. Four steps of it gives the 300 cent minor third interval identical to that of 12-edo, giving it four diminished seventh chords exactly like those of 12-edo, and a diminished triad on each scale step.<br /> | 16-edo equal temperament is the division of the octave into sixteen narrow chromatic semitones each of 75 cents exactly. It is not especially good at representing most low-integer musical intervals, but it has a 7/4 which is six cents sharp, and a 5/4 which is eleven cents flat. Four steps of it gives the 300 cent minor third interval identical to that of 12-edo, giving it four diminished seventh chords exactly like those of 12-edo, and a diminished triad on each scale step.<br /> | ||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:0:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc0"><a name="Hexadecaphonic Octave Theory"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:0 -->Hexadecaphonic Octave Theory</h1> | <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:0:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc0"><a name="Hexadecaphonic Octave Theory"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:0 -->Hexadecaphonic Octave Theory</h1> | ||
The scale supports the diminished temperament with its 1/4 octave period, though its generator size, equal to its step size of 75 cents, is smaller than ideal. Its very flat &quot;blown fifth&quot; of 675 cents means it works as a mavila temperament tuning. For a 16-edo version of Indonesian music, four small steps of 225 cents and one large one of 300 cents gives a <a class="wiki_link" href="/MOSScales">MOS</a> version of the Slendro scale, and five small steps of 150 cents with two large ones of 225 steps a Pelog-like MOS. The temperament could be popular for its easy manageability of 150 cent intervals 3/4, 9/4 and 21/4-tones. The 25 cent difference in the steps can have a similar effect the <a class="wiki_link" href="/scales%20of%20Olympos%20have">scales of Olympos have</a> with buried enharmonic genera.<br /> | The scale supports the diminished temperament with its 1/4 octave period, though its generator size, equal to its step size of 75 cents, is smaller than ideal. Its very flat &quot;blown fifth&quot; of 675 cents means it works as a mavila temperament tuning. For a 16-edo version of Indonesian music, four small steps of 225 cents and one large one of 300 cents gives a <a class="wiki_link" href="/MOSScales">MOS</a> version of the Slendro scale, and five small steps of 150 cents with two large ones of 225 steps a Pelog-like MOS. The temperament could be popular for its easy manageability of 150 cent intervals 3/4, 9/4 and 21/4-tones. The 25 cent difference in the steps can have a similar effect the <a class="wiki_link" href="/scales%20of%20Olympos%20have">scales of Olympos have</a> with buried enharmonic genera.<br /> | ||
<br /> | |||
16edo is also a tuning for the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Jubilismic%20clan">no-threes 7-limit temperament tempering out 50/49</a>. This has a flat major third as generator, for which 16edo provides 5/16 octaves. For this, there are MOS of sizes 7, 10, and 13. <br /> | |||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
16-edo can be treated as four interwoven diminished seventh arpeggios, or as two interwoven 8-edo scales (narrow 11-limit whole tones which when stacked produce traditional 300 cent minor third intervals). There are two minor seventh intervals, a harmonic seventh at step 13, a 7/4 ratio approximation, off by 3.5879 cents, followed by an undecimal 11/6 ratio or neutral seventh. The septimal can be the 9/4th tone or septimal semi diminished fourth (35/27 ratio) , semi-augmented fifth (54/35), harmonic seventh (7/4), and septimal whole tone 8/7. The Undecimal intervals are the 3/4 tone or undecimal neutral second (12/11), and the 21/4th tone or undecimal neutral seventh (11/6). Another xenharmonic aspect of 16-tone is how the 11-limit whole tone scale, using the neutral second, interlocks with the diminished scale, similar to the augmented scale and whole tone relationship in 12-tone (the whole tone divides the major third in 12, in 16-its the minor third).<br /> | 16-edo can be treated as four interwoven diminished seventh arpeggios, or as two interwoven 8-edo scales (narrow 11-limit whole tones which when stacked produce traditional 300 cent minor third intervals). There are two minor seventh intervals, a harmonic seventh at step 13, a 7/4 ratio approximation, off by 3.5879 cents, followed by an undecimal 11/6 ratio or neutral seventh. The septimal can be the 9/4th tone or septimal semi diminished fourth (35/27 ratio) , semi-augmented fifth (54/35), harmonic seventh (7/4), and septimal whole tone 8/7. The Undecimal intervals are the 3/4 tone or undecimal neutral second (12/11), and the 21/4th tone or undecimal neutral seventh (11/6). Another xenharmonic aspect of 16-tone is how the 11-limit whole tone scale, using the neutral second, interlocks with the diminished scale, similar to the augmented scale and whole tone relationship in 12-tone (the whole tone divides the major third in 12, in 16-its the minor third).<br /> | ||
<br /> | <br /> | ||
In 16-tone, because of the 25 cent difference in the steps from 100 in 12-tone, a western &quot;twelve tone ear&quot; hears dissonance with more complexity and less familiarity than even 24-tone, yet within a more manageable number of tones and a strange familiarity - the diminished family<br /> | In 16-tone, because of the 25 cent difference in the steps from 100 in 12-tone, a western &quot;twelve tone ear&quot; hears dissonance with more complexity and less familiarity than even 24-tone, yet within a more manageable number of tones and a strange familiarity - the diminished family - making 16-edo is a truly xenharmonic system.<br /> | ||
- | <br /> | ||
If we take the 300-cent minor third as an approximation of the harmonic 19th (19/16, approximately 297.5 cents), that adds another overtone which can combine with the approximation of the harmonic seventh to form a 16:19:28 triad. The interval between the 28th &amp; 19th overtones, 28:19, measures approximately 671.3 cents, which is 3.7 cents away from 16edo's &quot;narrow fifth&quot;. Example on Goldsmith board: <!-- ws:start:WikiTextRemoteImageRule:21:&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ronsword.com/161928%20copy.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; title=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;height: 92px; width: 158px;&quot; /&gt; --><img src="http://www.ronsword.com/161928%20copy.jpg" alt="external image 161928%20copy.jpg" title="external image 161928%20copy.jpg" style="height: 92px; width: 158px;" /><!-- ws:end:WikiTextRemoteImageRule:21 -->Another voicing for this chord is 14:16:19, which features 19:14 as the outer interval (528.7 cents just, 525.0 cents in 16edo). A perhaps more consonant open voicing is 7:16:19.<br /> | |||
<br /> | |||
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextRemoteImageRule:22:&lt;img src=&quot;http://ronsword.com/DSgoldsmith_piece.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; title=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;height: 380px; width: 1120px;&quot; /&gt; --><img src="http://ronsword.com/DSgoldsmith_piece.jpg" alt="external image DSgoldsmith_piece.jpg" title="external image DSgoldsmith_piece.jpg" style="height: 380px; width: 1120px;" /><!-- ws:end:WikiTextRemoteImageRule:22 --><br /> | |||
<hr /> | |||
In 16-edo diatonic scales are dissonant because of the 25 cent raised superfourth in conjunction with the 25 cent subtracted fifth / poor 3/2 approximation. The septimal semi diminished fourth can be more desirable. Perhaps using Moment of Symmetry Scales an alternative temperament families like the &quot;Anti-Diatonic&quot; Mavila (which reverses step sizes of diatonic), Diminished, Happy, Rice, Grumpy, Mosh, Magic, Lemba, Cynder, and Decatonic can be more interesting and suitable:<br /> | In 16-edo diatonic scales are dissonant because of the 25 cent raised superfourth in conjunction with the 25 cent subtracted fifth / poor 3/2 approximation. The septimal semi diminished fourth can be more desirable. Perhaps using Moment of Symmetry Scales an alternative temperament families like the &quot;Anti-Diatonic&quot; Mavila (which reverses step sizes of diatonic), Diminished, Happy, Rice, Grumpy, Mosh, Magic, Lemba, Cynder, and Decatonic can be more interesting and suitable:<br /> | ||
<br /> | <br /> | ||