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The possible pitches of a string obtained via raising/lowering the mandals lie within two [[2187_2048|apotomes (2187/2048, 113.7 cents)]]. The base note is assumed in the middle. The mandals allow raising and lowering this note by maximally one apotome.
The possible pitches of a string obtained via raising/lowering the mandals lie within two [[2187_2048|apotomes (2187/2048, 113.7 cents)]]. The base note is assumed in the middle. The mandals allow raising and lowering this note by maximally one apotome.


Each apotome is divided into 7 parts, which requires 14 mandals per string. The first rough subdivision of the apotome is always into one [[81_80|syntonic comma (81/80, 21.5 cents)]], one [[25_24|Zarlinian semitone (25/24, 70.7 cents)]] and another syntonic comma. The middle part (25/24, Zarlinian semitone) is then further subdivided into 5 (unequal or equal) parts. The various systems differ mainly in the division of the middle part.
Each apotome is divided into 7 unequal parts, which requires 14 mandals per string. The first rough subdivision of the apotome is always into one [[81_80|syntonic comma (81/80, 21.5 cents)]], one [[25_24|Zarlinian semitone (25/24, 70.7 cents)]] and another syntonic comma. The middle part (25/24, Zarlinian semitone) is then further subdivided into 5 (unequal or equal) parts. The various systems differ mainly in the division of the middle part.


The tuning systems are all described by a series of cent values, which describe the subdivision of one apotome. According to the system sketched above, the first and the last value are always 22 cents (or 21.5 cents). This subdivision pattern occurs twice on each string (one apotome up and one down), alltogether 14 times per octave. This is followed by listings of some important rational intervals that are possible in this tuning, mainly in the range of a fourth (the range where the ajnas - maqam tetrachords - reside), (XXX STILL TO DO).
The tuning systems are all described by a series of cent values, which describe the subdivision of one apotome. According to the system sketched above, the first and the last value are always 22 cents (or 21.5 cents). This subdivision pattern occurs twice on each string, altogether 14 times per octave. This is followed by listings of some important rational intervals that are possible in this tuning, mainly in the range of a fourth (the range where the ajnas - maqam tetrachords - reside),


An notable property (of all systems) is that the second-highest mandal position of, say, the C string is 114-22=92 cents, while the lowest mandal position on the following string (D in the example) is 214 (one wholetone above C) - 114 = 90 cents - we have two notes differing by one [[32805_32768|schisma (2 cents)]]. So the interval of the schisma is present and can be played on a qanun in any of the tuning systems described here.
An notable property (of all systems) is that the second-highest mandal position of, say, the C string is 114-22=92 cents, while the lowest mandal position on the following string (D in the example) is 214 (one wholetone above C) - 114 = 90 cents - we have two notes differing by one [[32805_32768|schisma (2 cents)]]. So the interval of the schisma is present and can be played on a qanun in any of the tuning systems described here.


=Notation=  
=Notation=  
The notes without accidentals stand for the pythagorean intervals of the base tuning of the qanun). Raising a pitch by an apotome is notated with "#", lowering a pitch by the same amount is notated with "b". Sharps are higher than flats (unlike in [[meantone]] systems): C# is one apotome (114 cents) above C, while Db is 9/8 (214 cents) minus one apotome = 90 cents. Both properties indicate that the framework is essentially pythagorean. The tuning system as a whole, however, is not.
The notes without accidentals stand for the pythagorean intervals of the base tuning of the qanun. Raising a pitch by an apotome is notated with "#", lowering a pitch by the same amount is notated with "b". Sharps are higher than flats (unlike in [[meantone]] systems): C# is one apotome (114 cents) above C, while Db is 9/8 (214 cents) minus one apotome = 90 cents. Both properties indicate that the framework is essentially pythagorean. The tuning system as a whole, however, is not.


For the steps in between, additional symbols are used - altogether 7 symbols for raising pitches and 7 for lowering pitches.
For the steps in between, additional symbols are used - altogether 7 symbols for raising pitches and 7 for lowering pitches.


This gives 15 potential different pitches per base note, in accordance with the real playing capabilities of the qanun. Seven base notes (C, D, E, F, G, A, B or Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, Si) lead to a notation system of 7*15=105 pitches. See the following document, which also gives all the pitches in one octave (in ratios and cents) that can be played by system 1 and 2.
This gives 15 potential different pitches per base note, correpsonding to the mandals. Seven base notes (C, D, E, F, G, A, B or Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, Si), corresponding to the strings, lead to a notation system of 7*15=105 pitches, in accordance with the real playing capabilities of the qanun. See the following document, which also gives all the pitches in one octave (in ratios and cents) that can be played by system 1 and 2.
[[file:Tableaux JJW VIII-2011.pdf]]
[[file:Tableaux JJW VIII-2011.pdf]]


(used with permission J. J. Weiss/S. Pohlit)
(used with permission J. J. Weiss/S. Pohlit)


=Older systems=  
=System 1=  
==System 1 J.J.Weiss==
© J.J.Weiss. Luthier: Ejder Gulec.
Luthier: Ejder Gulec.
Subdivision of 25/24 into 65/64 (26 cents), 144/143 (12 cents) and 55/54 (32 cents).
Subdivision of 25/24 into 65/64 (26 cents), 144/143 (12 cents) and 55/54 (32 cents).
65/64 and 55/54 are each split into two roughly equal parts.
65/64 and 55/54 are each split into two roughly equal parts.
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A complete list of all intervals available within one octave can be found in the above-mentioned [[http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/file/view/Tableaux+JJW+VIII-2011.pdf|document]] (on the first page).
A complete list of all intervals available within one octave can be found in the above-mentioned [[http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/file/view/Tableaux+JJW+VIII-2011.pdf|document]] (on the first page).


===Variant with 128/119===
=System 2, better suited for ottoman maqams=  
128/119: 126.2 cents
© J.J. Weiss. Qanun no. 9, luthier: Kenan Ozten.
XXX
 
===Variant with 128/119 ascending/descending===
XXX
 
===Variant with 43/40 ascending/descending===
43/40: 125.2 cents
XXX
 
=Newer systems=
==System 2, better suited for ottoman maqams==  
J.J. Weiss, Qanun no. 9. Luthier: Kenan Ozten.


Mandal positions in ratios:
Mandal positions in ratios:
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A complete list of all intervals available within one octave can be found in the above-mentioned [[http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/file/view/Tableaux+JJW+VIII-2011.pdf|document]] (on the second page).
A complete list of all intervals available within one octave can be found in the above-mentioned [[http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/file/view/Tableaux+JJW+VIII-2011.pdf|document]] (on the second page).


==Symmetrical model==
=Some other models=  
J.J. Weiss
XXX
Advantage: marked contrast between Segah of Ushaq and Segah of arabic Rast.
==A super-symmetrical model==  
Aliquot division of 65/54 (320.98 cents)
XXX
 
in cents (approximations):
&lt;span style="font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;22|13|13|1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;8&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;|13|13|22&lt;/span&gt;
 
Intervals ratios XXX
 
==Super-symmetrical models==  
Characteristics of super-symmetric systems: no difference between ascending and descending ratios.
Characteristics of super-symmetric systems: no difference between ascending and descending ratios.


===Aliquot division of 65/54 and its inverse===
J.J. Weiss
(XXX Is that formulation correct?)
Ascending/descending with 43/40 (125.2 cents).
Mandal positions (cents): &lt;span style="font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;22|13|13|1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;8&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;|13|13&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;|&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;22&lt;/span&gt;
Intervals ratios XXX
===Non-aliquot division of 65/54===
J.J. Weiss
Intervals ratios XXX


===Equal division of the Zarlinian semitone===  
==Equal division of the Zarlinian semitone==  
J.J. Weiss
© J.J. Weiss
This is the simplest variant for luthiers...
This is the simplest variant for luthiers...


Mandal positions (cents): &lt;span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;22|14|14|14|14|14|22&lt;/span&gt;
Mandal positions (cents): &lt;span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;22|14|14|14|14|14|22&lt;/span&gt;


===Ascending/descending with 54/49===
XXX</pre></div>
J.J. Weiss
[[54_49|54/49]]: 168.2 cents, Zalzal's mujannab (Al Farabi)
 
Mandal positions (cents): &lt;span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;22|14|17|13|13|13|22&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;XXX&lt;/span&gt; There seem to be typos here...
 
Intervals ratios XXX
 
===Ascending/descending with 14/13===
J.J. Weiss
&lt;span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;14/13: 128.3 cents&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;XXX&lt;/span&gt;
 
Mandal positions (cents): &lt;span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;22, 16, 13, 12, 13, 16, 22&lt;/span&gt;
 
Intervals ratios XXX
 
===Ascending/descending with 11/10===
J.J. Weiss
11/10: 165 cents
 
Mandal positions (cents): &lt;span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;22|16|15|13|13|13|22&lt;/span&gt;
 
XXX
 
===Ascending/descending with 35/32===
J.J. Weiss
35/32: 155.14 cents
 
Intervals ratios XXX
 
==Systems by Jacques Dudon==
===Aliquot system (2006)===
 
Mandal positions (cents): &lt;span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;21,5 | 14,5 | 14,5 | 14,5 | 15 | 12 | 21,5&lt;/span&gt;
 
Intervals ratios XXX
 
===Arithmetic system===
 
Mandal positions (cents): &lt;span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;"&gt;21,5 | 12 | 15 | 14,5 | 14,5 | 14,5 | 21,5 &lt;/span&gt;
 
Intervals ratios XXX</pre></div>
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The possible pitches of a string obtained via raising/lowering the mandals lie within two &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/2187_2048"&gt;apotomes (2187/2048, 113.7 cents)&lt;/a&gt;. The base note is assumed in the middle. The mandals allow raising and lowering this note by maximally one apotome.&lt;br /&gt;
The possible pitches of a string obtained via raising/lowering the mandals lie within two &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/2187_2048"&gt;apotomes (2187/2048, 113.7 cents)&lt;/a&gt;. The base note is assumed in the middle. The mandals allow raising and lowering this note by maximally one apotome.&lt;br /&gt;
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Each apotome is divided into 7 parts, which requires 14 mandals per string. The first rough subdivision of the apotome is always into one &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/81_80"&gt;syntonic comma (81/80, 21.5 cents)&lt;/a&gt;, one &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/25_24"&gt;Zarlinian semitone (25/24, 70.7 cents)&lt;/a&gt; and another syntonic comma. The middle part (25/24, Zarlinian semitone) is then further subdivided into 5 (unequal or equal) parts. The various systems differ mainly in the division of the middle part.&lt;br /&gt;
Each apotome is divided into 7 unequal parts, which requires 14 mandals per string. The first rough subdivision of the apotome is always into one &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/81_80"&gt;syntonic comma (81/80, 21.5 cents)&lt;/a&gt;, one &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/25_24"&gt;Zarlinian semitone (25/24, 70.7 cents)&lt;/a&gt; and another syntonic comma. The middle part (25/24, Zarlinian semitone) is then further subdivided into 5 (unequal or equal) parts. The various systems differ mainly in the division of the middle part.&lt;br /&gt;
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The tuning systems are all described by a series of cent values, which describe the subdivision of one apotome. According to the system sketched above, the first and the last value are always 22 cents (or 21.5 cents). This subdivision pattern occurs twice on each string (one apotome up and one down), alltogether 14 times per octave. This is followed by listings of some important rational intervals that are possible in this tuning, mainly in the range of a fourth (the range where the ajnas - maqam tetrachords - reside), (XXX STILL TO DO).&lt;br /&gt;
The tuning systems are all described by a series of cent values, which describe the subdivision of one apotome. According to the system sketched above, the first and the last value are always 22 cents (or 21.5 cents). This subdivision pattern occurs twice on each string, altogether 14 times per octave. This is followed by listings of some important rational intervals that are possible in this tuning, mainly in the range of a fourth (the range where the ajnas - maqam tetrachords - reside),&lt;br /&gt;
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An notable property (of all systems) is that the second-highest mandal position of, say, the C string is 114-22=92 cents, while the lowest mandal position on the following string (D in the example) is 214 (one wholetone above C) - 114 = 90 cents - we have two notes differing by one &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/32805_32768"&gt;schisma (2 cents)&lt;/a&gt;. So the interval of the schisma is present and can be played on a qanun in any of the tuning systems described here.&lt;br /&gt;
An notable property (of all systems) is that the second-highest mandal position of, say, the C string is 114-22=92 cents, while the lowest mandal position on the following string (D in the example) is 214 (one wholetone above C) - 114 = 90 cents - we have two notes differing by one &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/32805_32768"&gt;schisma (2 cents)&lt;/a&gt;. So the interval of the schisma is present and can be played on a qanun in any of the tuning systems described here.&lt;br /&gt;
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  The notes without accidentals stand for the pythagorean intervals of the base tuning of the qanun). Raising a pitch by an apotome is notated with &amp;quot;#&amp;quot;, lowering a pitch by the same amount is notated with &amp;quot;b&amp;quot;. Sharps are higher than flats (unlike in &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/meantone"&gt;meantone&lt;/a&gt; systems): C# is one apotome (114 cents) above C, while Db is 9/8 (214 cents) minus one apotome = 90 cents. Both properties indicate that the framework is essentially pythagorean. The tuning system as a whole, however, is not.&lt;br /&gt;
  The notes without accidentals stand for the pythagorean intervals of the base tuning of the qanun. Raising a pitch by an apotome is notated with &amp;quot;#&amp;quot;, lowering a pitch by the same amount is notated with &amp;quot;b&amp;quot;. Sharps are higher than flats (unlike in &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/meantone"&gt;meantone&lt;/a&gt; systems): C# is one apotome (114 cents) above C, while Db is 9/8 (214 cents) minus one apotome = 90 cents. Both properties indicate that the framework is essentially pythagorean. The tuning system as a whole, however, is not.&lt;br /&gt;
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For the steps in between, additional symbols are used - altogether 7 symbols for raising pitches and 7 for lowering pitches.&lt;br /&gt;
For the steps in between, additional symbols are used - altogether 7 symbols for raising pitches and 7 for lowering pitches.&lt;br /&gt;
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This gives 15 potential different pitches per base note, in accordance with the real playing capabilities of the qanun. Seven base notes (C, D, E, F, G, A, B or Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, Si) lead to a notation system of 7*15=105 pitches. See the following document, which also gives all the pitches in one octave (in ratios and cents) that can be played by system 1 and 2.&lt;br /&gt;
This gives 15 potential different pitches per base note, correpsonding to the mandals. Seven base notes (C, D, E, F, G, A, B or Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, Si), corresponding to the strings, lead to a notation system of 7*15=105 pitches, in accordance with the real playing capabilities of the qanun. See the following document, which also gives all the pitches in one octave (in ratios and cents) that can be played by system 1 and 2.&lt;br /&gt;
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Luthier: Ejder Gulec.&lt;br /&gt;
Subdivision of 25/24 into 65/64 (26 cents), 144/143 (12 cents) and 55/54 (32 cents).&lt;br /&gt;
Subdivision of 25/24 into 65/64 (26 cents), 144/143 (12 cents) and 55/54 (32 cents).&lt;br /&gt;
65/64 and 55/54 are each split into two roughly equal parts.&lt;br /&gt;
65/64 and 55/54 are each split into two roughly equal parts.&lt;br /&gt;
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A complete list of all intervals available within one octave can be found in the above-mentioned &lt;a href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/file/view/Tableaux+JJW+VIII-2011.pdf"&gt;document&lt;/a&gt; (on the first page).&lt;br /&gt;
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<span style="font-size: 150%;">**Tuning systems for the qanun**</span>
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Julien Jalaleddine Weiss, used with permission.
Reference: Pohlit, Stefan. 2011. Julien Jalâl Ed-Dine Weiss – A New Qānūn System: Its Application in the Performance Practice of the Ensemble “Al-Kindi” and in Contemporary Western Music. PhD Thesis, MIAM/Istanbul Technical University.

Online version of Stefan Pohlit's dissertation: see [[http://stefanpohlit.com/dissertation.engl..htm]]

The tuning tables on this page are specifically designed for the tuning system of the [[qanun]] (see the link for details on the system of tuning and playing a qanun with mandals/orabs). The logic behind the systems is as follows:

The empty strings of the qanun are tuned to a pythagorean diatonic scale, with a major third of [[81_80|81/80]], a major sixth of [[27_16|27/16]] and a major seventh of [[243_128|243/128]].

The possible pitches of a string obtained via raising/lowering the mandals lie within two [[2187_2048|apotomes (2187/2048, 113.7 cents)]]. The base note is assumed in the middle. The mandals allow raising and lowering this note by maximally one apotome.

Each apotome is divided into 7 unequal parts, which requires 14 mandals per string. The first rough subdivision of the apotome is always into one [[81_80|syntonic comma (81/80, 21.5 cents)]], one [[25_24|Zarlinian semitone (25/24, 70.7 cents)]] and another syntonic comma. The middle part (25/24, Zarlinian semitone) is then further subdivided into 5 (unequal or equal) parts. The various systems differ mainly in the division of the middle part.

The tuning systems are all described by a series of cent values, which describe the subdivision of one apotome. According to the system sketched above, the first and the last value are always 22 cents (or 21.5 cents). This subdivision pattern occurs twice on each string, altogether 14 times per octave. This is followed by listings of some important rational intervals that are possible in this tuning, mainly in the range of a fourth (the range where the ajnas - maqam tetrachords - reside),

An notable property (of all systems) is that the second-highest mandal position of, say, the C string is 114-22=92 cents, while the lowest mandal position on the following string (D in the example) is 214 (one wholetone above C) - 114 = 90 cents - we have two notes differing by one [[32805_32768|schisma (2 cents)]]. So the interval of the schisma is present and can be played on a qanun in any of the tuning systems described here.

=Notation= 
The notes without accidentals stand for the pythagorean intervals of the base tuning of the qanun. Raising a pitch by an apotome is notated with "#", lowering a pitch by the same amount is notated with "b". Sharps are higher than flats (unlike in [[meantone]] systems): C# is one apotome (114 cents) above C, while Db is 9/8 (214 cents) minus one apotome = 90 cents. Both properties indicate that the framework is essentially pythagorean. The tuning system as a whole, however, is not.

For the steps in between, additional symbols are used - altogether 7 symbols for raising pitches and 7 for lowering pitches.

This gives 15 potential different pitches per base note, correpsonding to the mandals. Seven base notes (C, D, E, F, G, A, B or Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, Si), corresponding to the strings, lead to a notation system of 7*15=105 pitches, in accordance with the real playing capabilities of the qanun. See the following document, which also gives all the pitches in one octave (in ratios and cents) that can be played by system 1 and 2.
[[file:Tableaux JJW VIII-2011.pdf]]

(used with permission J. J. Weiss/S. Pohlit)

=System 1= 
© J.J.Weiss. Luthier: Ejder Gulec.
Subdivision of 25/24 into 65/64 (26 cents), 144/143 (12 cents) and 55/54 (32 cents).
65/64 and 55/54 are each split into two roughly equal parts.

This gives the following rational intervals between the mandals:
81/80, 245/243, 3159/3136, 144/143, 121/120, 100/99, 81/80

In cents (approximations):
22, 13, 13, 12, 16, 16, 22

Rational intervals each string can be detuned (approximations in cents in parentheses):
81/80 (22), 49/48 (35), 1053/1024 (48), 729/704 (60), 2673/2560 (76), 135/128 (92), 2187/2048 (114)

Intervals ratios, ascending from C:
* On the D string (from Db to D):
> 256/243 (90), 16/15 (112), **784/729 (126)**, **13/12 (138)**, **12/11 (150)**, **11/10 (166)**, 10/9 (182), 9/8 (204)
* On the E string (from Eb to E):
> 32/27 (294), 6/5 (316), **98/81 (330)**, **39/32 (342)**, **27/22 (354)**, **89/80 (370)**, 5/4 (386), 81/64 (408)

Interval ratios, descending from F:
* On the E string (from Eb to E):
> 9/8 (204), 10/9 (182), **54/49 (169)**, **128/117 (156)**, **88/81 (144)**, **320/297 (129)**, 16/15 (112), 256/243 (90)
* On the D string (from Db to D):
> 81/64 (408), 5/4 (386), **243/196 (372)**, **16/13 (360)**, **11/9 (348)**, **40/33 (333)**, 6/5 (316), 32/27 (294)

A complete list of all intervals available within one octave can be found in the above-mentioned [[http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/file/view/Tableaux+JJW+VIII-2011.pdf|document]] (on the first page).

=System 2, better suited for ottoman maqams= 
© J.J. Weiss. Qanun no. 9, luthier: Kenan Ozten.

Mandal positions in ratios:
81/80, 105/104, 572/567, 144/143, 1547/1536, 120/119, 81/80

In cents (approximations):
<span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">22|16|15|12|13|14|22</span>

Rational intervals each string can be detuned (approximations in cents in parentheses):
81/80 (22), 1701/1664 (38), 33/32 (54), 27/26 (66), 243/232 (78), 135/128 (92), 2187/2048 (114)

Intervals ratios, ascending from C:
* On the D string (from Db to D):
> 256/243 (90), 16/15 (112), **14/13 (128), 88/81 (144), 128/117 or 35/32 (156), 119/108 (168)**, 10/9 (182), 9/8 (204)
* On the E string (from Eb to E):
> 32/27 (294), 6/5 (316), **63/52 (332), 11/9 (348), 16/13 or 315/256 (360), 119/96 (372)**, 5/4 (386), 81/64 (408)

Interval ratios descending from F:
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A complete list of all intervals available within one octave can be found in the above-mentioned [[http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/file/view/Tableaux+JJW+VIII-2011.pdf|document]] (on the second page).

=Some other models= 
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==A super-symmetrical model== 
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Characteristics of super-symmetric systems: no difference between ascending and descending ratios.


==Equal division of the Zarlinian semitone== 
© J.J. Weiss
This is the simplest variant for luthiers...

Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">22|14|14|14|14|14|22</span>

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Reference: Pohlit, Stefan. 2011. Julien Jalâl Ed-Dine Weiss – A New Qānūn System: Its Application in the Performance Practice of the Ensemble “Al-Kindi” and in Contemporary Western Music. PhD Thesis, MIAM/Istanbul Technical University.<br />
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Online version of Stefan Pohlit's dissertation: see <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://stefanpohlit.com/dissertation.engl..htm" rel="nofollow">http://stefanpohlit.com/dissertation.engl..htm</a><br />
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The tuning tables on this page are specifically designed for the tuning system of the <a class="wiki_link" href="/qanun">qanun</a> (see the link for details on the system of tuning and playing a qanun with mandals/orabs). The logic behind the systems is as follows:<br />
<br />
The empty strings of the qanun are tuned to a pythagorean diatonic scale, with a major third of <a class="wiki_link" href="/81_80">81/80</a>, a major sixth of <a class="wiki_link" href="/27_16">27/16</a> and a major seventh of <a class="wiki_link" href="/243_128">243/128</a>.<br />
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The possible pitches of a string obtained via raising/lowering the mandals lie within two <a class="wiki_link" href="/2187_2048">apotomes (2187/2048, 113.7 cents)</a>. The base note is assumed in the middle. The mandals allow raising and lowering this note by maximally one apotome.<br />
<br />
Each apotome is divided into 7 unequal parts, which requires 14 mandals per string. The first rough subdivision of the apotome is always into one <a class="wiki_link" href="/81_80">syntonic comma (81/80, 21.5 cents)</a>, one <a class="wiki_link" href="/25_24">Zarlinian semitone (25/24, 70.7 cents)</a> and another syntonic comma. The middle part (25/24, Zarlinian semitone) is then further subdivided into 5 (unequal or equal) parts. The various systems differ mainly in the division of the middle part.<br />
<br />
The tuning systems are all described by a series of cent values, which describe the subdivision of one apotome. According to the system sketched above, the first and the last value are always 22 cents (or 21.5 cents). This subdivision pattern occurs twice on each string, altogether 14 times per octave. This is followed by listings of some important rational intervals that are possible in this tuning, mainly in the range of a fourth (the range where the ajnas - maqam tetrachords - reside),<br />
<br />
An notable property (of all systems) is that the second-highest mandal position of, say, the C string is 114-22=92 cents, while the lowest mandal position on the following string (D in the example) is 214 (one wholetone above C) - 114 = 90 cents - we have two notes differing by one <a class="wiki_link" href="/32805_32768">schisma (2 cents)</a>. So the interval of the schisma is present and can be played on a qanun in any of the tuning systems described here.<br />
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 The notes without accidentals stand for the pythagorean intervals of the base tuning of the qanun. Raising a pitch by an apotome is notated with &quot;#&quot;, lowering a pitch by the same amount is notated with &quot;b&quot;. Sharps are higher than flats (unlike in <a class="wiki_link" href="/meantone">meantone</a> systems): C# is one apotome (114 cents) above C, while Db is 9/8 (214 cents) minus one apotome = 90 cents. Both properties indicate that the framework is essentially pythagorean. The tuning system as a whole, however, is not.<br />
<br />
For the steps in between, additional symbols are used - altogether 7 symbols for raising pitches and 7 for lowering pitches.<br />
<br />
This gives 15 potential different pitches per base note, correpsonding to the mandals. Seven base notes (C, D, E, F, G, A, B or Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, Si), corresponding to the strings, lead to a notation system of 7*15=105 pitches, in accordance with the real playing capabilities of the qanun. See the following document, which also gives all the pitches in one octave (in ratios and cents) that can be played by system 1 and 2.<br />
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 © J.J.Weiss. Luthier: Ejder Gulec.<br />
Subdivision of 25/24 into 65/64 (26 cents), 144/143 (12 cents) and 55/54 (32 cents).<br />
65/64 and 55/54 are each split into two roughly equal parts.<br />
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This gives the following rational intervals between the mandals:<br />
81/80, 245/243, 3159/3136, 144/143, 121/120, 100/99, 81/80<br />
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In cents (approximations):<br />
22, 13, 13, 12, 16, 16, 22<br />
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Rational intervals each string can be detuned (approximations in cents in parentheses):<br />
81/80 (22), 49/48 (35), 1053/1024 (48), 729/704 (60), 2673/2560 (76), 135/128 (92), 2187/2048 (114)<br />
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Intervals ratios, ascending from C:<br />
<ul><li>On the D string (from Db to D):<br />
256/243 (90), 16/15 (112), <strong>784/729 (126)</strong>, <strong>13/12 (138)</strong>, <strong>12/11 (150)</strong>, <strong>11/10 (166)</strong>, 10/9 (182), 9/8 (204)</li><li>On the E string (from Eb to E):<br />
32/27 (294), 6/5 (316), <strong>98/81 (330)</strong>, <strong>39/32 (342)</strong>, <strong>27/22 (354)</strong>, <strong>89/80 (370)</strong>, 5/4 (386), 81/64 (408)</li></ul><br />
Interval ratios, descending from F:<br />
<ul><li>On the E string (from Eb to E):<br />
9/8 (204), 10/9 (182), <strong>54/49 (169)</strong>, <strong>128/117 (156)</strong>, <strong>88/81 (144)</strong>, <strong>320/297 (129)</strong>, 16/15 (112), 256/243 (90)</li><li>On the D string (from Db to D):<br />
81/64 (408), 5/4 (386), <strong>243/196 (372)</strong>, <strong>16/13 (360)</strong>, <strong>11/9 (348)</strong>, <strong>40/33 (333)</strong>, 6/5 (316), 32/27 (294)</li></ul><br />
A complete list of all intervals available within one octave can be found in the above-mentioned <a href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/file/view/Tableaux+JJW+VIII-2011.pdf">document</a> (on the first page).<br />
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 © J.J. Weiss. Qanun no. 9, luthier: Kenan Ozten.<br />
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Mandal positions in ratios:<br />
81/80, 105/104, 572/567, 144/143, 1547/1536, 120/119, 81/80<br />
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In cents (approximations):<br />
<span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">22|16|15|12|13|14|22</span><br />
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Rational intervals each string can be detuned (approximations in cents in parentheses):<br />
81/80 (22), 1701/1664 (38), 33/32 (54), 27/26 (66), 243/232 (78), 135/128 (92), 2187/2048 (114)<br />
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Intervals ratios, ascending from C:<br />
<ul><li>On the D string (from Db to D):<br />
256/243 (90), 16/15 (112), <strong>14/13 (128), 88/81 (144), 128/117 or 35/32 (156), 119/108 (168)</strong>, 10/9 (182), 9/8 (204)</li><li>On the E string (from Eb to E):<br />
32/27 (294), 6/5 (316), <strong>63/52 (332), 11/9 (348), 16/13 or 315/256 (360), 119/96 (372)</strong>, 5/4 (386), 81/64 (408)</li></ul><br />
Interval ratios descending from F:<br />
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A complete list of all intervals available within one octave can be found in the above-mentioned <a href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/file/view/Tableaux+JJW+VIII-2011.pdf">document</a> (on the second page).<br />
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Characteristics of super-symmetric systems: no difference between ascending and descending ratios.<br />
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 © J.J. Weiss<br />
This is the simplest variant for luthiers...<br />
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Mandal positions (cents): <span style="color: #00000a; font-family: Tahoma;">22|14|14|14|14|14|22</span><br />
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