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Table of pitches from C to F (approximations in cents):
Table of pitches from C to F (approximations in cents):
||~ String ||~ b ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~ Base note ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~ # ||
||~ String ||~ b ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~ Base note ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~  ||~ # ||
||~ C ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||= 0 || 22 ||   ||   ||   ||   || 92 || 114 ||
||~ C ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||  ||= 0 || 22 || 36 || 48 || 66 || 78 || 92 || 114 ||
||~ D || 90 || 112 || 126 || 138 || 156 || 168 || 182 ||= 204 || 226 ||   ||   ||   ||   || 196 || 318 ||
||~ D || 90 || 112 || 126 || 138 || 156 || 168 || 182 ||= 204 || 226 || 240 || 252 || 170 || 182 || 196 || 318 ||
||~ E || 294 || 316 ||   ||   ||   ||   || 386 ||= 408 || 430 ||   ||   ||   ||   || 500 || 522 ||
||~ E || 294 || 316 || 330 || 342 || 360 || 372 || 386 ||= 408 || 430 || 444 || 456 || 374 || 386 || 400 || 422 ||
||~ F || 384 || 406 ||   ||   ||   ||   || 476 ||= 498 || 520 ||   ||   ||   ||   || 590 || 612 ||
||~ F || 384 || 406 || 420 || 433 || 450 || 462 || 476 ||= 498 || 520 || 534 || 546 || 464 || 476 || 590 || 612 ||


Interval ratios, ascending from C:
Interval ratios, ascending from C:
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&gt; 245/243 (90), 16/15 (112), **128/119 (126), 13/12 (138), 128/117 (156), 119/108 (168),** 10/9 (182), 9/8 (204)
&gt; 245/243 (90), 16/15 (112), **128/119 (126), 13/12 (138), 128/117 (156), 119/108 (168),** 10/9 (182), 9/8 (204)
&gt; On the E string (from Eb to E):
&gt; On the E string (from Eb to E):
&gt; XXX
&gt; 32/27 (294), 6/5 (316), **144/119 (330), 39/32 (342), 16/13 (360), 119/96 (372),** 5/4 (386), 81/64 (408)


Interval ratios descending from F:
Interval ratios, descending from F:
* On the E string (from Eb to E):
&gt; 9(8 /204), 10/9 (182), **119/108 (168), 128/117 (156), 13/12 (138), 128/119 (126)**, 16/15 (112), 256/243 (90)
* On the D string (from Db to D)
&gt; X81/64 (408), 5/4 (386), **119/96 (372), 16/13 (360), 39/32 (342), 144/119 (330)**, 6/5 (316), 32/27 (294)


XXX
Ascending and descending intervals are indeed the same, which is what "super-symmetrical" means in this context.


==Equal division of the Zarlinian semitone==  
==Equal division of the Zarlinian semitone==  
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Interval ratios descending from F:
Interval ratios descending from F:
 
* On the E string (from Eb to E):
XXX
&gt; XX
 
* On the D string (from Db to D):
&gt; XXX


==Super-symmetrical model with 14/13==  
==Super-symmetrical model with 14/13==  
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This gives 15 potential different pitches per base note, correpsonding to the mandals. Seven base notes (C, D, E, F, G, A, B or Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, Si), corresponding to the strings, lead to a notation system of 7*15=105 pitches, in accordance with the real playing capabilities of the qanun. See the following document, which also gives all the pitches in one octave (in ratios and cents) that can be played by system 1 and 2.&lt;br /&gt;
This gives 15 potential different pitches per base note, correpsonding to the mandals. Seven base notes (C, D, E, F, G, A, B or Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, Si), corresponding to the strings, lead to a notation system of 7*15=105 pitches, in accordance with the real playing capabilities of the qanun. See the following document, which also gives all the pitches in one octave (in ratios and cents) that can be played by system 1 and 2.&lt;br /&gt;
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245/243 (90), 16/15 (112), &lt;strong&gt;128/119 (126), 13/12 (138), 128/117 (156), 119/108 (168),&lt;/strong&gt; 10/9 (182), 9/8 (204)&lt;br /&gt;
245/243 (90), 16/15 (112), &lt;strong&gt;128/119 (126), 13/12 (138), 128/117 (156), 119/108 (168),&lt;/strong&gt; 10/9 (182), 9/8 (204)&lt;br /&gt;
On the E string (from Eb to E):&lt;br /&gt;
On the E string (from Eb to E):&lt;br /&gt;
XXX&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
32/27 (294), 6/5 (316), &lt;strong&gt;144/119 (330), 39/32 (342), 16/13 (360), 119/96 (372),&lt;/strong&gt; 5/4 (386), 81/64 (408)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Interval ratios descending from F:&lt;br /&gt;
Interval ratios, descending from F:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;On the E string (from Eb to E):&lt;br /&gt;
XXX&lt;br /&gt;
9(8 /204), 10/9 (182), &lt;strong&gt;119/108 (168), 128/117 (156), 13/12 (138), 128/119 (126)&lt;/strong&gt;, 16/15 (112), 256/243 (90)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;On the D string (from Db to D)&lt;br /&gt;
X81/64 (408), 5/4 (386), &lt;strong&gt;119/96 (372), 16/13 (360), 39/32 (342), 144/119 (330)&lt;/strong&gt;, 6/5 (316), 32/27 (294)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Ascending and descending intervals are indeed the same, which is what &amp;quot;super-symmetrical&amp;quot; means in this context.&lt;br /&gt;
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