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===Orwell=== | ===Orwell=== | ||
So called because 19/84 (as a [[fraction of the octave]]) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with [[22edo|22]], [[31edo|31]], [[53edo|53-EDO]] and [[84edo]]. It's a good system in the [[7-limit]] and naturally extends into the [[11-limit]]. [[84edo]], with the 19/84 generator, | So called because 19/84 (as a [[fraction of the octave]]) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with [[22edo|22]], [[31edo|31]], [[53edo|53-EDO]] and [[84edo]], and may be described as the 22&31 temperament, or . It's a good system in the [[7-limit]] and naturally extends into the [[11-limit]]. [[84edo]], with the 19/84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5, 7 and 11 limits, but it does use its second-best 11. [[53edo]] may be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of it slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out 2430/2401, the nuwell comma, 1728/1715, the orwellisma, 225/224, the septimal kleisma, and 6144/6125, the porwell comma. | ||
The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. | The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell. | ||
Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has considerable harmonic resources despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything. | Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has considerable harmonic resources despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything. | ||
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So called because 19/84 (as a <a class="wiki_link" href="/fraction%20of%20the%20octave">fraction of the octave</a>) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with <a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo">22</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo">31</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53-EDO</a> and <a class="wiki_link" href="/84edo">84edo</a>. It's a good system in the <a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit">7-limit</a> and naturally extends into the <a class="wiki_link" href="/11-limit">11-limit</a>. <a class="wiki_link" href="/84edo">84edo</a>, with the 19/84 generator, | So called because 19/84 (as a <a class="wiki_link" href="/fraction%20of%20the%20octave">fraction of the octave</a>) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with <a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo">22</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo">31</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53-EDO</a> and <a class="wiki_link" href="/84edo">84edo</a>, and may be described as the 22&amp;31 temperament, or . It's a good system in the <a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit">7-limit</a> and naturally extends into the <a class="wiki_link" href="/11-limit">11-limit</a>. <a class="wiki_link" href="/84edo">84edo</a>, with the 19/84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5, 7 and 11 limits, but it does use its second-best 11. <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53edo</a> may be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of it slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out 2430/2401, the nuwell comma, 1728/1715, the orwellisma, 225/224, the septimal kleisma, and 6144/6125, the porwell comma.<br /> | ||
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The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. | The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell.<br /> | ||
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Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has considerable harmonic resources despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything.</body></html></pre></div> | Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has considerable harmonic resources despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything.</body></html></pre></div> | ||
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The 5-limit parent comma for the semicomma family is the semicomma, 2109375/2097152 = |-21 3 7>. This is the amount by which three pure 3/1 twelfths exceed seven pure 8/5 minor thirds. Orson, the [[5-limit]] temperament tempering it out, has a [[generator]] of 75/64. [[53edo]] is an excellent orson tuning, and [[84edo]] makes for a good alternative. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five [[cent]]s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell. ==Seven limit children== The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 64625/65536 leads to orwell, but we could also add 1029/1024, leading to the 31&159 temperament with wedgie <<21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9||, or 67528125/67108864, giving the 31&243 temperament with wedgie <<28 -12 1 -84 -77 36||, or 4375/4374, giving the 53&243 temperament with wedgie <<7 -3 61 -21 77 150||. ===Orwell=== So called because 19/84 (as a [[fraction of the octave]]) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with [[22edo|22]], [[31edo|31]], [[53edo|53-EDO]] and [[84edo]], and may be described as the 22&31 temperament, or . It's a good system in the [[7-limit]] and naturally extends into the [[11-limit]]. [[84edo]], with the 19/84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5, 7 and 11 limits, but it does use its second-best 11. [[53edo]] may be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of it slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out 2430/2401, the nuwell comma, 1728/1715, the orwellisma, 225/224, the septimal kleisma, and 6144/6125, the porwell comma. The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell. Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has considerable harmonic resources despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything.
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<html><head><title>Semicomma family</title></head><body>The 5-limit parent comma for the semicomma family is the semicomma, 2109375/2097152 = |-21 3 7>. This is the amount by which three pure 3/1 twelfths exceed seven pure 8/5 minor thirds. Orson, the <a class="wiki_link" href="/5-limit">5-limit</a> temperament tempering it out, has a <a class="wiki_link" href="/generator">generator</a> of 75/64. <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53edo</a> is an excellent orson tuning, and <a class="wiki_link" href="/84edo">84edo</a> makes for a good alternative. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five <a class="wiki_link" href="/cent">cent</a>s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell.<br /> <br /> <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:0:<h2> --><h2 id="toc0"><a name="x-Seven limit children"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:0 -->Seven limit children</h2> The second comma of the <a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists">normal comma list</a> defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 64625/65536 leads to orwell, but we could also add 1029/1024, leading to the 31&159 temperament with wedgie <<21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9||, or 67528125/67108864, giving the 31&243 temperament with wedgie <<28 -12 1 -84 -77 36||, or 4375/4374, giving the 53&243 temperament with wedgie <<7 -3 61 -21 77 150||.<br /> <br /> <!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:2:<h3> --><h3 id="toc1"><a name="x-Seven limit children-Orwell"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:2 -->Orwell</h3> So called because 19/84 (as a <a class="wiki_link" href="/fraction%20of%20the%20octave">fraction of the octave</a>) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with <a class="wiki_link" href="/22edo">22</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo">31</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53-EDO</a> and <a class="wiki_link" href="/84edo">84edo</a>, and may be described as the 22&31 temperament, or . It's a good system in the <a class="wiki_link" href="/7-limit">7-limit</a> and naturally extends into the <a class="wiki_link" href="/11-limit">11-limit</a>. <a class="wiki_link" href="/84edo">84edo</a>, with the 19/84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5, 7 and 11 limits, but it does use its second-best 11. <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53edo</a> may be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of it slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out 2430/2401, the nuwell comma, 1728/1715, the orwellisma, 225/224, the septimal kleisma, and 6144/6125, the porwell comma.<br /> <br /> The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell.<br /> <br /> Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has considerable harmonic resources despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything.</body></html>