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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">~~=Abstract=~~

<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">A [[Harmonic Limit|p-limit]] rational number q can by definition be factored into primes of size less than or equal to p, giving

A monzo is the counterpart to a val. Much like vals allow us to express the way that prime intervals are mapped within an EDO, a monzo allows us to express how any "composite" interval is represented in terms of those simpler prime intervals. They are typically written using the notation |a b c d e f ... >, where the columns represent how the primes 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, etc, in that order, contribute to the interval's prime factorization, up to some [[harmonic limit|prime limit]].

For example, the interval 15/8 can be thought of as having 5*3 in the numerator, and 2*2*2 in the denominator. This can be compactly represented by the expression 2^-3 * 3^1 * 5^1, which is exactly equal to 15/8. We construct the monzo by taking the exponent from each prime, in order, and placing them within the |.........> brackets, hence yielding |-3 1 1>.

~~Here are some common 5-limit monzos, for your reference:~~

~~3/2: |-1 1 0>~~

~~5/4: |-2 0 1>~~

~~9/8: |-3 2 0>~~

~~81/80: |-4 4 -1>~~

~~Here are a few 7-limit monzos:~~

~~7/4: |-2 0 0 1>~~

~~7/6: |-1 -1 0 1>~~

~~7/5: |0 0 -1 1>~~

Monzos are important because they enable us to see how any JI interval "maps" onto a val. This mapping is expressed by writing the val and the monzo together, such as <12 19 28|-4 4 -1>. The mapping is extremely easily to calculate: simply multiply together each component in the same position on both sides of the line, and add the results together. This is perhaps best demonstrated by example:

~~<12 19 28|-4 4 -1> = (12*-4) + (19*4) + (28*1)<span class="st"> &#61; </span>0~~

In this case, the val <12 19 28| is the [[patent val]] for 12-equal, and |-4 4 -1> is 81/80, or the syntonic comma. The fact that <12 19 28|-4 4 -1> tells us that 81/80 is mapped to 0 steps in 12-equal - aka it's tempered out - which tells us that 12-equal is a meantone temperament. It is noteworthy that almost the entirety of western music, particularly western music composed for 12-equal or 12-tone well temperaments, is made possible by the above equation.

~~**In general: <a b c|d e f> = ad + be + cf**~~

~~=Mathematical Definition=~~

A [[Harmonic Limit|p-limit]] rational number q can by definition be factored into primes of size less than or equal to p, giving

[[math]]

q = 2^{e_2} \, 3^{e_3} \, 5^{e_5} \dotso p^{e_p}

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//see also [[Fractional monzos]], [[Vals and Tuning Space]]...//</pre></div>

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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Monzos and Interval Space</title></head><body>~~<h1 id="toc0"><a name="Abstract"></a>Abstract</h1>~~

<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Monzos and Interval Space</title></head><body>A <a class="wiki_link" href="/Harmonic%20Limit">p-limit</a> rational number q can by definition be factored into primes of size less than or equal to p, giving<br />

A monzo is the counterpart to a val. Much like vals allow us to express the way that prime intervals are mapped within an EDO, a monzo allows us to express how any &quot;composite&quot; interval is represented in terms of those simpler prime intervals. They are typically written using the notation |a b c d e f ... &gt;, where the columns represent how the primes 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, etc, in that order, contribute to the interval's prime factorization, up to some <a class="wiki_link" href="/harmonic%20limit">prime limit</a>.<br />

~~<br />~~

For example, the interval 15/8 can be thought of as having 5*3 in the numerator, and 2*2*2 in the denominator. This can be compactly represented by the expression 2^-3 * 3^1 * 5^1, which is exactly equal to 15/8. We construct the monzo by taking the exponent from each prime, in order, and placing them within the |.........&gt; brackets, hence yielding |-3 1 1&gt;.<br />

~~<br />~~

~~Here are some common 5-limit monzos, for your reference:<br />~~

~~3/2: |-1 1 0&gt;<br />~~

~~5/4: |-2 0 1&gt;<br />~~

~~9/8: |-3 2 0&gt;<br />~~

~~81/80: |-4 4 -1&gt;<br />~~

~~<br />~~

~~Here are a few 7-limit monzos:<br />~~

~~7/4: |-2 0 0 1&gt;<br />~~

~~7/6: |-1 -1 0 1&gt;<br />~~

~~7/5: |0 0 -1 1&gt;<br />~~

~~<br />~~

Monzos are important because they enable us to see how any JI interval &quot;maps&quot; onto a val. This mapping is expressed by writing the val and the monzo together, such as &lt;12 19 28|-4 4 -1&gt;. The mapping is extremely easily to calculate: simply multiply together each component in the same position on both sides of the line, and add the results together. This is perhaps best demonstrated by example:<br />

~~<br />~~

~~&lt;12 19 28|-4 4 -1&gt; = (12*-4) + (19*4) + (28*1)<span class="st"> &#61; </span>0<br />~~

~~<br />~~

In this case, the val &lt;12 19 28| is the <a class="wiki_link" href="/patent%20val">patent val</a> for 12-equal, and |-4 4 -1&gt; is 81/80, or the syntonic comma. The fact that &lt;12 19 28|-4 4 -1&gt; tells us that 81/80 is mapped to 0 steps in 12-equal - aka it's tempered out - which tells us that 12-equal is a meantone temperament. It is noteworthy that almost the entirety of western music, particularly western music composed for 12-equal or 12-tone well temperaments, is made possible by the above equation.<br />

~~<br />~~

~~<strong>In general: &lt;a b c|d e f&gt; = ad + be + cf</strong><br />~~

~~<br />~~

<h1 id="toc1"><a name="Mathematical Definition"></a>Mathematical Definition</h1>

~~<br />~~

A <a class="wiki_link" href="/Harmonic%20Limit">p-limit</a> rational number q can by definition be factored into primes of size less than or equal to p, giving<br />

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and if the coordinates are the weighted interval space coordinates, then the TE norm is the <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://mathworld.wolfram.com/L2-Norm.html" rel="nofollow">standard Euclidean, or L2, norm</a>.<br />

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<h2 id="~~toc2~~"><a name="~~Mathematical Definition~~-Example"></a>Example</h2>

<h2 id="toc0"><a name="x-Example"></a>Example</h2>

The 5-limit interval 16/15 factors as 2^4 3^(-1) 5^(-1), so it has a monzo representation of |4 -1 -1&gt;. In weighted coordinates, that becomes |4 -log2(3) -log2(5)&gt;, approximately |4 -1.585 -2.322&gt;. The TE norm is therefore sqrt(1^2 + log2(3)^2 + log2(5)^2) ~ sqrt(23.903) = 4.889.<br />

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<em>see also <a class="wiki_link" href="/Fractional%20monzos">Fractional monzos</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/Vals%20and%20Tuning%20Space">Vals and Tuning Space</a>...</em></body></html></pre></div>

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-<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">=Abstract=
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-A monzo is the counterpart to a val. Much like vals allow us to express the way that prime intervals are mapped within an EDO, a monzo allows us to express how any "composite" interval is represented in terms of those simpler prime intervals. They are typically written using the notation |a b c d e f ... &gt;, where the columns represent how the primes 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, etc, in that order, contribute to the interval's prime factorization, up to some [[harmonic limit|prime limit]].
-For example, the interval 15/8 can be thought of as having 5*3 in the numerator, and 2*2*2 in the denominator. This can be compactly represented by the expression 2^-3 * 3^1 * 5^1, which is exactly equal to 15/8. We construct the monzo by taking the exponent from each prime, in order, and placing them within the |.........&gt; brackets, hence yielding |-3 1 1&gt;.
-Here are some common 5-limit monzos, for your reference:
-/2: |-1 1 0&gt;
-/4: |-2 0 1&gt;
-/8: |-3 2 0&gt;
-/80: |-4 4 -1&gt;
-Here are a few 7-limit monzos:
-/4: |-2 0 0 1&gt;
-/6: |-1 -1 0 1&gt;
-/5: |0 0 -1 1&gt;
-Monzos are important because they enable us to see how any JI interval "maps" onto a val. This mapping is expressed by writing the val and the monzo together, such as &lt;12 19 28|-4 4 -1&gt;. The mapping is extremely easily to calculate: simply multiply together each component in the same position on both sides of the line, and add the results together. This is perhaps best demonstrated by example:
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-In this case, the val &lt;12 19 28| is the [[patent val]] for 12-equal, and |-4 4 -1&gt; is 81/80, or the syntonic comma. The fact that &lt;12 19 28|-4 4 -1&gt; tells us that 81/80 is mapped to 0 steps in 12-equal - aka it's tempered out - which tells us that 12-equal is a meantone temperament. It is noteworthy that almost the entirety of western music, particularly western music composed for 12-equal or 12-tone well temperaments, is made possible by the above equation.
-**In general: &lt;a b c|d e f&gt; = ad + be + cf**
-=Mathematical Definition=
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   The 5-limit interval 16/15 factors as 2^4 3^(-1) 5^(-1), so it has a monzo representation of |4 -1 -1&amp;gt;. In weighted coordinates, that becomes |4 -log2(3) -log2(5)&amp;gt;, approximately |4 -1.585 -2.322&amp;gt;. The TE norm is therefore sqrt(1^2 + log2(3)^2 + log2(5)^2) ~ sqrt(23.903) = 4.889.&lt;br /&gt;
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