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'''Ultrapyth''' is an alternative extension of the [[archy]] chain of fifths to [[superpyth]]. Like superpyth, it is a temperament generated by a perfect fifth, where stacking two of them reaches the interval of [[8/7]] (tempering out [[64/63]]). The difference is that instead of extending to 2.3.5.7 by mapping 5 to +9 generators, it extends to the 2.3.7.13/5 subgroup (known as '''oceanfront''') by mapping the ultramajor third [[13/10]] to +4 generators (a supermajor third which is also the diatonic major third), tempering out [[91/90]]. This makes sense because the tunings of 2.3.7 archy that optimize for the simplest 2.3.7 intervals (8/7 and [[7/6]]) are sharp of the optimal tuning for 9/7, making that third more ultramajor than supermajor. If intervals of 5 and 13 independently are desired (i.e. [[5/4]], [[13/8]]), then oceanfront may be extended to ultrapyth by mapping 5 to +14 fifths (a doubly augmented unison) and 13 to +18 fifths (a doubly-augmented third). The best tunings for ultrapyth are between 712 and 714 cents.
'''Ultrapyth''' is an alternative [[extension]] of the [[archy]] [[chain of fifths]] to [[superpyth]]. Like superpyth, it is a [[regular temperament|temperament]] generated by a perfect fifth, where stacking two of them reaches the interval of [[8/7]][[~]][[9/8]], tempering out [[64/63]]. The difference is that instead of extending to 2.3.5.7 by mapping 5 to +9 generators, it extends to the 2.3.7.13/5 subgroup (known as '''oceanfront''') by mapping the ultramajor third [[13/10]] to +4 generators (which is also the diatonic major third), tempering out [[91/90]]. This makes sense because the tunings of 2.3.7 archy that optimize for the simplest 2.3.7 intervals (8/7 and [[7/6]]) are sharp of the optimal tuning for 9/7, making that third more ultramajor than supermajor. If intervals of 5 and 13 independently are desired (i.e. [[5/4]], [[13/8]]), then oceanfront may be extended to ultrapyth by mapping 5 to +14 fifths (a double-augmented unison) and 13 to +18 fifths (a double-augmented third). The best tunings for ultrapyth are between 712 and 714 cents.


If intervals of 11 are desired, [[14/11]] may be mapped to +9 generators, implying [[16/11]] is (fittingly) mapped to +11 generators and [[11/9]] is tempered together with 6/5 (a feature common to many systems with sharp fifths).
If intervals of 11 are desired, [[14/11]] may be mapped to +9 generators, implying [[16/11]] is (fittingly) mapped to +11 generators and [[11/9]] is tempered together with 6/5 (a feature common to many systems with sharp fifths).


The oceanfront MOS scales take the form of 5L (2+5n)s, for n up to 7. Most of these scales are extremely close to [[5edo]]. [[37edo]] makes a good tuning of oceanfront or ultrapyth.
The oceanfront [[mos scale]]s take the form of 5L ({{nowrap| 5''n'' + 2 }})s, for ''n'' up to 7. Most of these scales are extremely close to [[5edo]]. [[37edo]] makes a good tuning of oceanfront or ultrapyth.


View technical temperament data [[The Biosphere#Oceanfront|here]] for oceanfront and [[Archytas clan#Ultrapyth|here]] for ultrapyth.
For technical data, see [[The Biosphere #Oceanfront]] and [[Archytas clan #Ultrapyth]].  


== Generator chain ==
== Generator chain ==

Revision as of 16:30, 9 June 2025

Ultrapyth is an alternative extension of the archy chain of fifths to superpyth. Like superpyth, it is a temperament generated by a perfect fifth, where stacking two of them reaches the interval of 8/7~9/8, tempering out 64/63. The difference is that instead of extending to 2.3.5.7 by mapping 5 to +9 generators, it extends to the 2.3.7.13/5 subgroup (known as oceanfront) by mapping the ultramajor third 13/10 to +4 generators (which is also the diatonic major third), tempering out 91/90. This makes sense because the tunings of 2.3.7 archy that optimize for the simplest 2.3.7 intervals (8/7 and 7/6) are sharp of the optimal tuning for 9/7, making that third more ultramajor than supermajor. If intervals of 5 and 13 independently are desired (i.e. 5/4, 13/8), then oceanfront may be extended to ultrapyth by mapping 5 to +14 fifths (a double-augmented unison) and 13 to +18 fifths (a double-augmented third). The best tunings for ultrapyth are between 712 and 714 cents.

If intervals of 11 are desired, 14/11 may be mapped to +9 generators, implying 16/11 is (fittingly) mapped to +11 generators and 11/9 is tempered together with 6/5 (a feature common to many systems with sharp fifths).

The oceanfront mos scales take the form of 5L (5n + 2)s, for n up to 7. Most of these scales are extremely close to 5edo. 37edo makes a good tuning of oceanfront or ultrapyth.

For technical data, see The Biosphere #Oceanfront and Archytas clan #Ultrapyth.

Generator chain

# Cents Approximate ratios (Oceanfront) Approximate ratios (added by Ultrapyth) Approximate ratios (added in the 11-limit)
0 0 1/1
1 713.4 3/2
2 226.8 8/7, 9/8, 91/80
3 940.2 12/7, 26/15
4 453.6 13/10, 9/7
5 1167 39/20, 27/14
6 680.4 72/49, 52/35
7 193.8 54/49 112/99, 160/143
8 907.2 117/70 56/33
9 420.6 14/11
10 1134 160/81 64/33
11 647.4 40/27 16/11
12 160.8 10/9 12/11
13 874.2 5/3 128/77
14 387.6 5/4 96/77
15 1101 15/8, 52/27 144/77
16 614.4 45/32, 13/9
17 127.8 13/12, 135/128
18 841.2 13/8
19 354.6 39/32
20 1068 117/64