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This page discusses some of the temperaments tempering out 225/224, the marvel comma or septimal kleisma. These include negri, wizard, tritonic, septimin, slender, triton and marvo. Considered elsewhere are meantone, miracle, magic, pajara, orwell, catakleismic, garibaldi, august, compton, sharp, escapade and mavila.

Since (5/4)^3 = 225/224 * 14/9, these temperaments tend to have a relatively small complexity for 5/4. They also possess 5/4-5/4-9/7 versions of the augmented triad. Since this is a chord of meantone temperament in wide use in Western common practice harmony long before 12edo  established itself as the standard tuning, it is arguably more authentic to tune it as two stacked major thirds and a diminished fourth, which is what it is in meantone, than as the modern version of three stacked very sharp major thirds.

=Negri=
Commas: 49/48, 225/224

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 125.608

Map: [<1 2 2 3|, <0 -4 3 -2|]
Wedgie: <<4 -3 2 -14 -8 13||
EDOs: 9, 10, 19, 86

==11-limit==
Commas: 45/44, 49/48, 56/55

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 126.474

Map: [<1 2 2 3 4|, <0 -4 3 -2 -5|]
EDOs: 9, 10, 19

==13-limit==
Commas: 45/44, 49/48, 56/55, 78/77

[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: 126.431

Map: [<1 2 2 3 4 4|, <0 -4 3 -2 -5 -3|]
EDOs: 9, 10, 19

=Negric=
Commas: 33/32, 49/48, 77/75

POTE generator: ~15/14 = 127.039

Map: [<1 2 2 3 3|, <0 -4 3 -2 4|]
EDOs: 9, 19, 85
Badness: 0.0306

==13-limit==
Commas: 33/32, 49/48, 65/64, 91/90

POTE generator: ~15/14 = 127.039

Map: [<1 2 2 3 3 4|, <0 -4 3 -2 4 -3|]
EDOs: 9, 19, 85
Badness: 0.0202

=Wizard=
Commas: 225/224, 118098/117649

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 383.256

Map: [<2 1 5 2|, <0 6 -1 10|]
Wedgie: <<12 -2 20 -31 -2 52||
EDOs: 22, 50, 72, 382, 454
Badness: 0.0408

==11-limit==
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 4000/3993

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 383.232

Map: [<2 1 5 2 8|, <0 6 -1 10 -3|]
EDOs: 22, 50, 72, 166, 310
Badness: 0.0185

==13-limit==
Commas: 225/224, 351/350, 364/363, 385/384

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 383.389

Map: [<2 1 5 2 8 11|, <0 6 -1 10 -3 -10|]
EDOs: 22, 50, 72
Badness: 0.0218

==17-limit==
Commas: 221/220, 273/272, 289/288, 351/350, 375/374

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 383.381

Map: [<2 1 5 2 8 11 6|, <0 6 -1 10 -3 -10 6|]
EDOs: 22, 50, 72
Badness: 0.0145

==19-limit==
Commas: 153/152, 210/209, 221/220, 225/224, 273/272, 343/342

[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 383.477

Map: [<2 1 5 2 8 11 6 2|, <0 6 -1 10 -3 -10 6 18|]
EDOs: 22, 50, 72, 194, 460
Badness: 0.0157

==Gizzard==
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 325/324, 1573/1568

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 383.170

Map: [<2 1 5 2 8 -2|, <0 6 -1 10 -3 26|]
EDOs: 22, 28, 50, 72, 94, 166
Badness: 0.0203

=Tritonic=
Commas: 225/224, 50421/50000

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 580.286

Map: [<1 4 -3 -3|, <0 -5 11 12|]
Wedgie: <<5 -11 -12 -29 -33 3||
EDOs: 29, 31, 60, 91, 122, 213

==11-limit==
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 27783/27500

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 580.389

Map: [<1 4 -3 -3 17|, <0 -5 11 12 -28|]
EDOs: 29, 31, 60, 91, 122, 153

=Septimin=
Commas: 225/224, 84035/82944

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 263.632

Map: [<1 4 1 5|, <0 -11 6 -10|]
Wedgie: <<11 -6 10 -35 -15 40||
EDOs: 9, 32, 41, 91, 132

==11-limit==
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 2401/2376

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 263.634

Map: [<1 4 1 5 5|, <0 -11 6 -10 -7|]
EDOs: 9, 32, 41, 91

==13-limit==
Commas: 105/104, 144/143, 196/195, 245/242

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 263.700

Map: [<1 4 1 5 5 7|, <0 -11 6 -10 -7 -15|]
EDOs: 9, 41, 91

=Slender=
Commas: 225/225, 589824/588245

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: ~49/48 = 38.413

Map: [<1 2 2 3|, <0 -13 10 -6|]
Wedgie: <<13 -10 6 -46 -27 42||
EDOs: 31, 94, 125
Badness: 0.0569

==11-limit==
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 1331/1323

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: ~49/48 = 38.387

Map: [<1 2 2 3 4|, <0 -13 10 -6 -17|]
EDOs: 31, 63, 94, 125
Badness: 25.342

==13-limit==
Commas: 225/224, 275/273, 385/384, 1331/1323

POTE generator: ~49/48 = 38.314

Map: [<1 2 2 3 4 3|, <0 -13 10 -6 -17 22|]
EDOs: 31, 63, 94
Badness: 25.913

=Triton=
Commas: 225/224, 1029/1000

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 568.865

Map: [<1 0 6 7|, <0 3 -7 -8|]
Wedgie: <<3 -7 -8 -18 -21 1||
EDOs: 19, 135, 289

=Marvo=
Commas: 225/224, 78125000/78121827

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: (~27/20) 516.694

Map: [<1 5 12 29|, <0 -6 -17 -46|]
Wedgie: <<6, 17, 46, 13, 56 59||
EDOs: 65, 72

==11-limit==
Commas: 225/224, 243/242, 4000/3993

[[POTE tuning|POTE temperament]]: 516.699

Map: [<1 5 12 29 12|, <0 -6 -17 -46 -15|]
EDOs: 65, 72, 281, 497

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This page discusses some of the temperaments tempering out 225/224, the marvel comma or septimal kleisma. These include negri, wizard, tritonic, septimin, slender, triton and marvo. Considered elsewhere are meantone, miracle, magic, pajara, orwell, catakleismic, garibaldi, august, compton, sharp, escapade and mavila.<br />
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Since (5/4)^3 = 225/224 * 14/9, these temperaments tend to have a relatively small complexity for 5/4. They also possess 5/4-5/4-9/7 versions of the augmented triad. Since this is a chord of meantone temperament in wide use in Western common practice harmony long before 12edo  established itself as the standard tuning, it is arguably more authentic to tune it as two stacked major thirds and a diminished fourth, which is what it is in meantone, than as the modern version of three stacked very sharp major thirds.<br />
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Commas: 49/48, 225/224<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: 125.608<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3|, &lt;0 -4 3 -2|]<br />
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;4 -3 2 -14 -8 13||<br />
EDOs: 9, 10, 19, 86<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:2:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc1"><a name="Negri-11-limit"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:2 -->11-limit</h2>
Commas: 45/44, 49/48, 56/55<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: 126.474<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3 4|, &lt;0 -4 3 -2 -5|]<br />
EDOs: 9, 10, 19<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:4:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc2"><a name="Negri-13-limit"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:4 -->13-limit</h2>
Commas: 45/44, 49/48, 56/55, 78/77<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: 126.431<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3 4 4|, &lt;0 -4 3 -2 -5 -3|]<br />
EDOs: 9, 10, 19<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:6:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc3"><a name="Negric"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:6 -->Negric</h1>
Commas: 33/32, 49/48, 77/75<br />
<br />
POTE generator: ~15/14 = 127.039<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3 3|, &lt;0 -4 3 -2 4|]<br />
EDOs: 9, 19, 85<br />
Badness: 0.0306<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:8:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc4"><a name="Negric-13-limit"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:8 -->13-limit</h2>
Commas: 33/32, 49/48, 65/64, 91/90<br />
<br />
POTE generator: ~15/14 = 127.039<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3 3 4|, &lt;0 -4 3 -2 4 -3|]<br />
EDOs: 9, 19, 85<br />
Badness: 0.0202<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:10:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc5"><a name="Wizard"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:10 -->Wizard</h1>
Commas: 225/224, 118098/117649<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: 383.256<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;2 1 5 2|, &lt;0 6 -1 10|]<br />
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;12 -2 20 -31 -2 52||<br />
EDOs: 22, 50, 72, 382, 454<br />
Badness: 0.0408<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:12:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc6"><a name="Wizard-11-limit"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:12 -->11-limit</h2>
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 4000/3993<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: 383.232<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;2 1 5 2 8|, &lt;0 6 -1 10 -3|]<br />
EDOs: 22, 50, 72, 166, 310<br />
Badness: 0.0185<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:14:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc7"><a name="Wizard-13-limit"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:14 -->13-limit</h2>
Commas: 225/224, 351/350, 364/363, 385/384<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: 383.389<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;2 1 5 2 8 11|, &lt;0 6 -1 10 -3 -10|]<br />
EDOs: 22, 50, 72<br />
Badness: 0.0218<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:16:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc8"><a name="Wizard-17-limit"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:16 -->17-limit</h2>
Commas: 221/220, 273/272, 289/288, 351/350, 375/374<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: 383.381<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;2 1 5 2 8 11 6|, &lt;0 6 -1 10 -3 -10 6|]<br />
EDOs: 22, 50, 72<br />
Badness: 0.0145<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:18:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc9"><a name="Wizard-19-limit"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:18 -->19-limit</h2>
Commas: 153/152, 210/209, 221/220, 225/224, 273/272, 343/342<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE generator</a>: ~5/4 = 383.477<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;2 1 5 2 8 11 6 2|, &lt;0 6 -1 10 -3 -10 6 18|]<br />
EDOs: 22, 50, 72, 194, 460<br />
Badness: 0.0157<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:20:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc10"><a name="Wizard-Gizzard"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:20 -->Gizzard</h2>
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 325/324, 1573/1568<br />
<br />
POTE generator: ~5/4 = 383.170<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;2 1 5 2 8 -2|, &lt;0 6 -1 10 -3 26|]<br />
EDOs: 22, 28, 50, 72, 94, 166<br />
Badness: 0.0203<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:22:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc11"><a name="Tritonic"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:22 -->Tritonic</h1>
Commas: 225/224, 50421/50000<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: 580.286<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 4 -3 -3|, &lt;0 -5 11 12|]<br />
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;5 -11 -12 -29 -33 3||<br />
EDOs: 29, 31, 60, 91, 122, 213<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:24:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc12"><a name="Tritonic-11-limit"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:24 -->11-limit</h2>
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 27783/27500<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: 580.389<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 4 -3 -3 17|, &lt;0 -5 11 12 -28|]<br />
EDOs: 29, 31, 60, 91, 122, 153<br />
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<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:26:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc13"><a name="Septimin"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:26 -->Septimin</h1>
Commas: 225/224, 84035/82944<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: 263.632<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 4 1 5|, &lt;0 -11 6 -10|]<br />
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;11 -6 10 -35 -15 40||<br />
EDOs: 9, 32, 41, 91, 132<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:28:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc14"><a name="Septimin-11-limit"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:28 -->11-limit</h2>
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 2401/2376<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: 263.634<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 4 1 5 5|, &lt;0 -11 6 -10 -7|]<br />
EDOs: 9, 32, 41, 91<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:30:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc15"><a name="Septimin-13-limit"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:30 -->13-limit</h2>
Commas: 105/104, 144/143, 196/195, 245/242<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: 263.700<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 4 1 5 5 7|, &lt;0 -11 6 -10 -7 -15|]<br />
EDOs: 9, 41, 91<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:32:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc16"><a name="Slender"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:32 -->Slender</h1>
Commas: 225/225, 589824/588245<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: ~49/48 = 38.413<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3|, &lt;0 -13 10 -6|]<br />
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;13 -10 6 -46 -27 42||<br />
EDOs: 31, 94, 125<br />
Badness: 0.0569<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:34:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc17"><a name="Slender-11-limit"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:34 -->11-limit</h2>
Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 1331/1323<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: ~49/48 = 38.387<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3 4|, &lt;0 -13 10 -6 -17|]<br />
EDOs: 31, 63, 94, 125<br />
Badness: 25.342<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:36:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc18"><a name="Slender-13-limit"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:36 -->13-limit</h2>
Commas: 225/224, 275/273, 385/384, 1331/1323<br />
<br />
POTE generator: ~49/48 = 38.314<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 2 2 3 4 3|, &lt;0 -13 10 -6 -17 22|]<br />
EDOs: 31, 63, 94<br />
Badness: 25.913<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:38:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc19"><a name="Triton"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:38 -->Triton</h1>
Commas: 225/224, 1029/1000<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: 568.865<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 0 6 7|, &lt;0 3 -7 -8|]<br />
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;3 -7 -8 -18 -21 1||<br />
EDOs: 19, 135, 289<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:40:&lt;h1&gt; --><h1 id="toc20"><a name="Marvo"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:40 -->Marvo</h1>
Commas: 225/224, 78125000/78121827<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: (~27/20) 516.694<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 5 12 29|, &lt;0 -6 -17 -46|]<br />
Wedgie: &lt;&lt;6, 17, 46, 13, 56 59||<br />
EDOs: 65, 72<br />
<br />
<!-- ws:start:WikiTextHeadingRule:42:&lt;h2&gt; --><h2 id="toc21"><a name="Marvo-11-limit"></a><!-- ws:end:WikiTextHeadingRule:42 -->11-limit</h2>
Commas: 225/224, 243/242, 4000/3993<br />
<br />
<a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning">POTE temperament</a>: 516.699<br />
<br />
Map: [&lt;1 5 12 29 12|, &lt;0 -6 -17 -46 -15|]<br />
EDOs: 65, 72, 281, 497</body></html>

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