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Map: [&lt;4 0 4 7 17 0|, &lt;0 6 5 4 -3 14|]
Map: [&lt;4 0 4 7 17 0|, &lt;0 6 5 4 -3 14|]
EDOs: [[68edo|68]], [[72edo|72]], [[140edo|140]], [[212edo|212]]
EDOs: [[68edo|68]], [[72edo|72]], [[140edo|140]], [[212edo|212]]
[[Badness]]: 0.0187</pre></div>
[[Badness]]: 0.0187
 
=Sqrtphi=
Commas: 15625/15552, 16875/16807
 
[[POTE tuning|POTE generator]]: ~125/98 = 416.603 cents
 
Sqrt(phi) = 416.545 cents
 
Map: [&lt;1 12 11 16|, &lt;0 -30 -25 -38|]
EDOs: 49, 72, 193, 265
Badness: 0.0704
 
==11-limit==
Commas: 540/539, 1375/1372, 4375/4356
 
POTE generator: ~14/11 = 416.604
 
Map: [&lt;1 12 11 16 17|, &lt;0 -30 -25 -38 -39|]
EDOs: 49, 72, 193, 265
Badness: 0.0255
 
==13-limit==
Commas: 351/350, 540/539, 975/968, 1375/1372
 
==17-limit==
Commas: 351/350, 540/539, 561/560, 2028/2023, 5355/5324 </pre></div>
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The &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/5-limit"&gt;5-limit&lt;/a&gt; parent comma for the kleismic family is 15625/15552, the kleisma. Its monzo is |-6 -5 6&amp;gt;, and flipping that yields &amp;lt;&amp;lt;6 5 -6|| for the wedgie. This tells us the generator is a minor third, and that to get to the interval class of major thirds will require five of these, and so to get to fifths will require six. In fact, (6/5)^5 = 5/2 * 15625/15552. This 5-limit temperament is commonly called hanson, and 14\53 is about perfect as a hanson generator, though 9\34 also makes sense and 5\19 is possible. Other tunings include &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/72edo"&gt;72edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/87edo"&gt;87edo&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/140edo"&gt;140edo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
The &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/5-limit"&gt;5-limit&lt;/a&gt; parent comma for the kleismic family is 15625/15552, the kleisma. Its monzo is |-6 -5 6&amp;gt;, and flipping that yields &amp;lt;&amp;lt;6 5 -6|| for the wedgie. This tells us the generator is a minor third, and that to get to the interval class of major thirds will require five of these, and so to get to fifths will require six. In fact, (6/5)^5 = 5/2 * 15625/15552. This 5-limit temperament is commonly called hanson, and 14\53 is about perfect as a hanson generator, though 9\34 also makes sense and 5\19 is possible. Other tunings include &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/72edo"&gt;72edo&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/87edo"&gt;87edo&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/140edo"&gt;140edo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;4 0 4 7 17 0|, &amp;lt;0 6 5 4 -3 14|]&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/68edo"&gt;68&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/72edo"&gt;72&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/140edo"&gt;140&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/212edo"&gt;212&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/68edo"&gt;68&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/72edo"&gt;72&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/140edo"&gt;140&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/212edo"&gt;212&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Badness"&gt;Badness&lt;/a&gt;: 0.0187&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>
&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Badness"&gt;Badness&lt;/a&gt;: 0.0187&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 15625/15552, 16875/16807&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/POTE%20tuning"&gt;POTE generator&lt;/a&gt;: ~125/98 = 416.603 cents&lt;br /&gt;
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Sqrt(phi) = 416.545 cents&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;1 12 11 16|, &amp;lt;0 -30 -25 -38|]&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 49, 72, 193, 265&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.0704&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 540/539, 1375/1372, 4375/4356&lt;br /&gt;
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POTE generator: ~14/11 = 416.604&lt;br /&gt;
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Map: [&amp;lt;1 12 11 16 17|, &amp;lt;0 -30 -25 -38 -39|]&lt;br /&gt;
EDOs: 49, 72, 193, 265&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.0255&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 351/350, 540/539, 975/968, 1375/1372&lt;br /&gt;
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Commas: 351/350, 540/539, 561/560, 2028/2023, 5355/5324&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>