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For any [[Harmonic_Limit|prime limit]] p, EDO N and positive integer k, the p-limit k*N subgroup is the largest [[Just_intonation_subgroups|just intonation subgroup]] of the p-limit on which N-edo and k*N-edo approximate intervals to the same values using the mapping supplied by the [[Patent_val|patent val]] for k*N-edo. This also means they temper out the same commas.  
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">For any [[Harmonic limit|prime limit]] p, EDO N and positive integer k, the p-limit k*N subgroup is the largest [[Just intonation subgroups|just intonation subgroup]] of the p-limit on which N-edo and k*N-edo approximate intervals to the same values using the mapping supplied by the [[patent val]] for k*N-edo. This also means they temper out the same commas.  


A procedure for finding the k*N subgroup which seems to suffice is to take the product m of the odd primes less than or equal to p, and then find the [[Euler genera|Euler genus]] Euler(m^i) for integers 1, 2, and so forth. Here Euler(d) for an odd integer d is the set of all divisors of d reduced to an octave, and including 2. For each such genus, select those intervals such that the k*N patent val maps the interval to a number divisible by k, and then find the corresponding [[Normal lists|normal interval list]]. When two successive values i and i+1 lead to the same normal list, add to that a basis for the commas of the k*N patent val, and return the normal interval list for that.
A procedure for finding the k*N subgroup which seems to suffice is to take the product m of the odd primes less than or equal to p, and then find the [[Euler_genera|Euler genus]] Euler(m^i) for integers 1, 2, and so forth. Here Euler(d) for an odd integer d is the set of all divisors of d reduced to an octave, and including 2. For each such genus, select those intervals such that the k*N patent val maps the interval to a number divisible by k, and then find the corresponding [[Normal_lists|normal interval list]]. When two successive values i and i+1 lead to the same normal list, add to that a basis for the commas of the k*N patent val, and return the normal interval list for that.


For example, to find the 7-limit 2*6 subgroup we first find m = 3*5*7 = 105. The subgroup of Euler(105) consisting of those intervals mapped to an even number by &lt;12 19 28 34| is 2.5.7. The subgroup of Euler(105^2) is 2.9.5.7, not the same. However, the subgroup of Euler(105^3) is again 2.9.5.7. If to this we add 81/80, we still obtain 2.9.5.7. It is clear this is maximal, as 3 is mapped by 12et to an odd number (19), and the rest of the values are prime.</pre></div>
For example, to find the 7-limit 2*6 subgroup we first find m = 3*5*7 = 105. The subgroup of Euler(105) consisting of those intervals mapped to an even number by &lt;12 19 28 34| is 2.5.7. The subgroup of Euler(105^2) is 2.9.5.7, not the same. However, the subgroup of Euler(105^3) is again 2.9.5.7. If to this we add 81/80, we still obtain 2.9.5.7. It is clear this is maximal, as 3 is mapped by 12et to an odd number (19), and the rest of the values are prime.
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;title&gt;k*N subgroups&lt;/title&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;For any &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Harmonic%20limit"&gt;prime limit&lt;/a&gt; p, EDO N and positive integer k, the p-limit k*N subgroup is the largest &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Just%20intonation%20subgroups"&gt;just intonation subgroup&lt;/a&gt; of the p-limit on which N-edo and k*N-edo approximate intervals to the same values using the mapping supplied by the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/patent%20val"&gt;patent val&lt;/a&gt; for k*N-edo. This also means they temper out the same commas. &lt;br /&gt;
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A procedure for finding the k*N subgroup which seems to suffice is to take the product m of the odd primes less than or equal to p, and then find the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Euler%20genera"&gt;Euler genus&lt;/a&gt; Euler(m^i) for integers 1, 2, and so forth. Here Euler(d) for an odd integer d is the set of all divisors of d reduced to an octave, and including 2. For each such genus, select those intervals such that the k*N patent val maps the interval to a number divisible by k, and then find the corresponding &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Normal%20lists"&gt;normal interval list&lt;/a&gt;. When two successive values i and i+1 lead to the same normal list, add to that a basis for the commas of the k*N patent val, and return the normal interval list for that.&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, to find the 7-limit 2*6 subgroup we first find m = 3*5*7 = 105. The subgroup of Euler(105) consisting of those intervals mapped to an even number by &amp;lt;12 19 28 34| is 2.5.7. The subgroup of Euler(105^2) is 2.9.5.7, not the same. However, the subgroup of Euler(105^3) is again 2.9.5.7. If to this we add 81/80, we still obtain 2.9.5.7. It is clear this is maximal, as 3 is mapped by 12et to an odd number (19), and the rest of the values are prime.&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;</pre></div>

Revision as of 00:00, 17 July 2018

For any prime limit p, EDO N and positive integer k, the p-limit k*N subgroup is the largest just intonation subgroup of the p-limit on which N-edo and k*N-edo approximate intervals to the same values using the mapping supplied by the patent val for k*N-edo. This also means they temper out the same commas.

A procedure for finding the k*N subgroup which seems to suffice is to take the product m of the odd primes less than or equal to p, and then find the Euler genus Euler(m^i) for integers 1, 2, and so forth. Here Euler(d) for an odd integer d is the set of all divisors of d reduced to an octave, and including 2. For each such genus, select those intervals such that the k*N patent val maps the interval to a number divisible by k, and then find the corresponding normal interval list. When two successive values i and i+1 lead to the same normal list, add to that a basis for the commas of the k*N patent val, and return the normal interval list for that.

For example, to find the 7-limit 2*6 subgroup we first find m = 3*5*7 = 105. The subgroup of Euler(105) consisting of those intervals mapped to an even number by <12 19 28 34| is 2.5.7. The subgroup of Euler(105^2) is 2.9.5.7, not the same. However, the subgroup of Euler(105^3) is again 2.9.5.7. If to this we add 81/80, we still obtain 2.9.5.7. It is clear this is maximal, as 3 is mapped by 12et to an odd number (19), and the rest of the values are prime.