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:: The septimal bait-and-switch pushes a deeply ahistorical interpretation in order to further the idea that ~every common chord should be interpreted as consonant. It's fine to present that idea as a possibility where it applies, but it shouldn't be taken as a given — especially when that obscures alternatives that ''don't'' require ahistorical assumptions.

:: --[[User:Bcmills|Bcmills]] ([[User talk:Bcmills|talk]]) 12:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

::: Whether a specific meantone tuning is good enough for septimal intervals is a subjective matter. The interest in septimal intervals is idiomatic from the last century (including the early days of the community such as [https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/mills-tuning-list/topicId_4064.html ''A meantone tuning with six 7-limit tetrads'']) thanks to musicians like Harry Partch, and most would agree 11\19 to 7\12 is a reasonable assessment of meantone's range, in which septimal meantone rules. I don't think there's pretention involved in interpreting augmented and diminished intervals as septimal since it's there in any chromatic keyboard. If historical analysis didn't recognize their byproduct presence then it was seriously out of date, and ''we'' are here to set them straight since ''we'' develop temp theories. Moreoever you can't be 100% sure that literally everyone of common practice was ignorant about septimal intervals to say they're "ahistorical". A quick skim of the archive showed Mozart was suspected to have used them as a means of expression ([https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/mills-tuning-list/topicId_3258.html ''TUNING digest 1370: Meantone'']).

::: Septimal meantone isn't the only evidence that common practice music was mostly concordant (note: I distinguish consonance and concordance and hope you do too; otherwise your summary of the idea would be inaccurate). It's in the existence of meantone in the first place: to eliminate the wolf fourths and fifths. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 15:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

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 :: The septimal bait-and-switch pushes a deeply ahistorical interpretation in order to further the idea that ~every common chord should be interpreted as consonant. It's fine to present that idea as a possibility where it applies, but it shouldn't be taken as a given — especially when that obscures alternatives that ''don't'' require ahistorical assumptions.
 :: --[[User:Bcmills|Bcmills]] ([[User talk:Bcmills|talk]]) 12:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
+::: Whether a specific meantone tuning is good enough for septimal intervals is a subjective matter. The interest in septimal intervals is idiomatic from the last century (including the early days of the community such as [https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/mills-tuning-list/topicId_4064.html ''A meantone tuning with six 7-limit tetrads'']) thanks to musicians like Harry Partch, and most would agree 11\19 to 7\12 is a reasonable assessment of meantone's range, in which septimal meantone rules. I don't think there's pretention involved in interpreting augmented and diminished intervals as septimal since it's there in any chromatic keyboard. If historical analysis didn't recognize their byproduct presence then it was seriously out of date, and ''we'' are here to set them straight since ''we'' develop temp theories. Moreoever you can't be 100% sure that literally everyone of common practice was ignorant about septimal intervals to say they're "ahistorical". A quick skim of the archive showed Mozart was suspected to have used them as a means of expression ([https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/mills-tuning-list/topicId_3258.html ''TUNING digest 1370: Meantone'']).
+::: Septimal meantone isn't the only evidence that common practice music was mostly concordant (note: I distinguish consonance and concordance and hope you do too; otherwise your summary of the idea would be inaccurate). It's in the existence of meantone in the first place: to eliminate the wolf fourths and fifths. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 15:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)