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::: There's indeed a misunderstanding. The exact meaning of a strong extension is an extension that doesn't split the period and generators. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 15:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== “Meantone” ≠ “Septimal meantone” ==

I've noticed that in various parts of the wiki, “meantone” is sometimes used without qualification to refer to both conventional 5-limit meantone, which would include tunings across the spectrum, such as [[12edo]], [[19edo]], [[31edo]], [[43edo]], [[50edo]], and so on‌; and to septimal meantone, which is rather poorly tuned compared to the 5-limit in most of those ([[31edo]] and [[quarter-comma meantone]] being the exceptions).

In some cases, this is a mere {{w|Abuse of notation#Abuse of language|abuse of terminology}}, intended to convey some observation about ''quarter-comma meantone in particular'' in a succinct way. However, in other cases it is a {{w|bait and switch}}: “meantone” is first introduced as a historical basis of music theory, and then it is claimed that in “meantone” some chord is an [[essentially tempered chord]], but on closer inspection it turns out that the two occurrences of “meantone” actually refer to different things (5-limit meantone and septimal meantone respectively).

To avoid this kind of ambiguity, I suggest that wiki pages should consistently use the phrase “septimal meantone”, rather than just “meantone”, when referring to concepts that require the septimal extension, including chords of septimal meantone, and should use “meantone” on its own only when referring to the conventional 5-limit form.

--[[User:Bcmills|Bcmills]] ([[User talk:Bcmills|talk]]) 05:48, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

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 ::: There's indeed a misunderstanding. The exact meaning of a strong extension is an extension that doesn't split the period and generators. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 15:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
+== “Meantone” ≠ “Septimal meantone” ==
+I've noticed that in various parts of the wiki, “meantone” is sometimes used without qualification to refer to both conventional 5-limit meantone, which would include tunings across the spectrum, such as [[12edo]], [[19edo]], [[31edo]], [[43edo]], [[50edo]], and so on‌; and to septimal meantone, which is rather poorly tuned compared to the 5-limit in most of those ([[31edo]] and [[quarter-comma meantone]] being the exceptions).
+In some cases, this is a mere {{w|Abuse of notation#Abuse of language|abuse of terminology}}, intended to convey some observation about ''quarter-comma meantone in particular'' in a succinct way. However, in other cases it is a {{w|bait and switch}}: “meantone” is first introduced as a historical basis of music theory, and then it is claimed that in “meantone” some chord is an [[essentially tempered chord]], but on closer inspection it turns out that the two occurrences of “meantone” actually refer to different things (5-limit meantone and septimal meantone respectively).
+To avoid this kind of ambiguity, I suggest that wiki pages should consistently use the phrase “septimal meantone”, rather than just “meantone”, when referring to concepts that require the septimal extension, including chords of septimal meantone, and should use “meantone” on its own only when referring to the conventional 5-limit form.
+--[[User:Bcmills|Bcmills]] ([[User talk:Bcmills|talk]]) 05:48, 24 August 2024 (UTC)