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{{Infobox Interval

| Name = undecimal neutral second

| Name = undecimal neutral second, Alpharabian tendoneutral second

| Color name = 1u2, lu 2nd

| Sound = jid_12_11_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3

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'''12/11''', the '''undecimal neutral second''' or '''(lesser) neutral second''', is ~~a strangely exotic~~ interval found between the 11th and 12th partials of the [[harmonic series]]. In [[just intonation]] it is represented by the [[superparticular]] ratio 12/11, and is about 150.6 [[cent]]s large. One step of [[8edo]] is an excellent approximation of the just neutral second, and eight of them exceed the octave by the comma (12/11)<sup>8</sup>/2 = {{Monzo|15 8 0 0 -8}}. It follows that EDOs which are multiples of 8, such as [[16edo]] and [[24edo]], will also represent this interval well.

'''12/11''', the '''undecimal neutral second''' or '''(lesser) neutral second''', is an interval found between the 11th and 12th partials of the [[harmonic series]]. In [[just intonation]] it is represented by the [[superparticular]] ratio 12/11, and is about 150.6 [[cent]]s large. One step of [[8edo]] is an excellent approximation of the just neutral second, and eight of them exceed the octave by the comma [[Undecimal_octatonic_comma|(12/11)<sup>8</sup>/2 = {{Monzo|15 8 0 0 -8}}]]. It follows that EDOs which are multiples of 8, such as [[16edo]] and [[24edo]], will also represent this interval well. In [[Alpharabian tuning]] it is known as the '''Alpharabian tendoneutral second'''.

12/11 differs from the larger undecimal neutral second [[11/10]] (~165 cents) by [[121/120]] (~14.4 cents). Temperaments which conflate the two (thus tempering out 121/120) include [[15edo]], [[22edo]], [[31edo]], [[orwell]], [[porcupine]], [[mohajira]], [[valentine]], etc.

Many Western listeners might describe 12/11 as sounding "exotic".

== See also ==

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[[Category:Second]]

[[Category:Neutral second]]

[[Category:Over-11]]

[[Category:Over-11 intervals]]

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 {{Infobox Interval
-| Name = undecimal neutral second
+| Name = undecimal neutral second, Alpharabian tendoneutral second
 | Color name = 1u2, lu 2nd
 | Sound = jid_12_11_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
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 {{Wikipedia|Neutral second}}
-'''12/11''', the '''undecimal neutral second''' or '''(lesser) neutral second''', is a strangely exotic interval found between the 11th and 12th partials of the [[harmonic series]]. In [[just intonation]] it is represented by the [[superparticular]] ratio 12/11, and is about 150.6 [[cent]]s large. One step of [[8edo]] is an excellent approximation of the just neutral second, and eight of them exceed the octave by the comma (12/11)<sup>8</sup>/2 = {{Monzo|15 8 0 0 -8}}. It follows that EDOs which are multiples of 8, such as [[16edo]] and [[24edo]], will also represent this interval well.
+'''12/11''', the '''undecimal neutral second''' or '''(lesser) neutral second''', is an interval found between the 11th and 12th partials of the [[harmonic series]]. In [[just intonation]] it is represented by the [[superparticular]] ratio 12/11, and is about 150.6 [[cent]]s large. One step of [[8edo]] is an excellent approximation of the just neutral second, and eight of them exceed the octave by the comma [[Undecimal_octatonic_comma|(12/11)<sup>8</sup>/2 = {{Monzo|15 8 0 0 -8}}]]. It follows that EDOs which are multiples of 8, such as [[16edo]] and [[24edo]], will also represent this interval well.  In [[Alpharabian tuning]] it is known as the '''Alpharabian tendoneutral second'''.
 /11 differs from the larger undecimal neutral second [[11/10]] (~165 cents) by [[121/120]] (~14.4 cents). Temperaments which conflate the two (thus tempering out 121/120) include [[15edo]], [[22edo]], [[31edo]], [[orwell]], [[porcupine]], [[mohajira]], [[valentine]], etc.
+Many Western listeners might describe 12/11 as sounding "exotic".
 == See also ==
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 [[Category:Second]]
 [[Category:Neutral second]]
-[[Category:Over-11]]
+[[Category:Over-11 intervals]]