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Octagar temperaments temper out the octagar comma, {{monzo|5 -4 3 -2}} = 4000/3969.
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This is a collection of [[rank-2 temperament|rank-2]] [[regular temperament|temperaments]] [[tempering out]] the [[octagar comma]] ({{monzo|legend=1| 5 -4 3 -2 }}, [[ratio]]: 4000/3969).


Temperaments discussed elsewhere include [[Garibaldi temperament|garibaldi]], [[Augmented family #Augene|augene]], [[Tetracot family #Octacot|octacot]], [[Orwellismic temperaments #Quartonic|quartonic]], [[superkleismic]], [[Meantone family #Injera|injera]], [[Diaschismic family #Bidia|bidia]], [[Kleismic family #Hemikleismic|hemikleismic]], [[Mirkwai clan #Pluto|pluto]], [[Porcupine family #Nautilus|nautilus]], [[Avicennmic temperaments #Roman|roman]], [[Ripple family|ripple]], and [[Amity family #Hamity|hamity]].
Temperaments considered below are slendi and slithy. Discussed elsewhere are:
* ''[[Ripple]]'' (+36/35) → [[Ripple family #Septimal ripple|Ripple family]]
* ''[[Nautilus]]'' (+49/48) → [[Porcupine family #Nautilus|Porcupine family]]
* ''[[Injera]]'' (+50/49 or 81/80) → [[Meantone family #Injera|Meantone family]]
* [[Augene]] (+64/63 or 126/125) → [[Augmented family #Augene|Augmented family]]
* [[Garibaldi temperament|Garibaldi]] (+225/224) → [[Schismatic family #Garibaldi|Schismatic family]]
* ''[[Octacot]]'' (+245/243) → [[Tetracot family #Octacot|Tetracot family]]
* ''[[Roman]]'' (+525/512) → [[Wesley family #Roman|Wesley family]]
* ''[[Superkleismic]]'' (+875/864 or 1029/1024) → [[Gamelismic clan #Superkleismic|Shibboleth family]] and [[Gamelismic clan #Superkleismic|Gamelismic clan]]
* ''[[Quartonic]]'' (+1728/1715) → [[Quartonic family]]
* ''[[Bidia]]'' (+2048/2025 or 3136/3125) → [[Diaschismic family #Bidia|Diaschismic family]]
* ''[[Hamity]]'' (+2430/2401) → [[Amity family #Hamity|Amity family]]
* ''[[Hemikleismic]]'' (+6144/6125) → [[Kleismic family #Hemikleismic|Kleismic family]]
* ''[[Pluto]]'' (+10976/10935) → [[Mirkwai clan #Pluto|Mirkwai clan]]
* ''[[Quintupole]]'' (+458752/455625) → [[Quintaleap family #Quintupole|Quintaleap family]]


== Slendi ==
== Slendi ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 4000/3969, 84035/82944
[[Comma list]]: 4000/3969, 84035/82944


[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 2 3 3}}, {{val|0 -17 -28 -8}}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 3 | 0 -17 -28 -8 }}


{{Multival|legend=1|17 28 8 5 -35 -60}}
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000, ~49/48 = 29.181


[[POTE generator]]: ~49/48 = 29.181
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 41, 206, 247bc, 288bcd, 329bcd }}
 
{{Val list|legend=1| 41, 206, 247bc, 288bcd, 329bcd }}


[[Badness]]: 0.142903
[[Badness]]: 0.142903
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Comma list: 100/99, 245/242, 46656/46585
Comma list: 100/99, 245/242, 46656/46585


Mapping: [{{val|1 2 3 3 4}}, {{val|0 -17 -28 -8 -22}}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 3 4 | 0 -17 -28 -8 -22 }}


POTE generator: ~49/48 = 29.180
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000, ~49/48 = 29.180


Vals: {{Val list| 41, 206e }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 206e }}


Badness: 0.063217
Badness: 0.063217
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Comma list: 100/99, 144/143, 245/242, 343/338
Comma list: 100/99, 144/143, 245/242, 343/338


Mapping: [{{val|1 2 3 3 4 4}}, {{val|0 -17 -28 -8 -22 -1}}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 3 4 4 | 0 -17 -28 -8 -22 -1 }}


POTE generator: ~49/48 = 29.125
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000, ~49/48 = 29.125


Vals: {{Val list| 41, 124ef, 165ef }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 41, 124ef, 165ef }}


Badness: 0.043644
Badness: 0.043644


== Slithy ==
== Slithy ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 4000/3969, 420175/419904
[[Comma list]]: 4000/3969, 420175/419904


[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 3 5 4}}, {{val|0 -19 -36 -16}}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 3 5 4 | 0 -19 -36 -16 }}


{{Multival|legend=1|19 36 16 13 -28 -64}}
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000, ~21/20 = 89.282


[[POTE generator]]: ~21/20 = 89.282
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 27, 94, 121, 215, 336d }}
 
{{Val list|legend=1| 27, 94, 121, 215, 336d }}


[[Badness]]: 0.107482
[[Badness]]: 0.107482
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Comma list: 540/539, 2200/2187, 4375/4356
Comma list: 540/539, 2200/2187, 4375/4356


Mapping: [{{val|1 3 5 4 8}}, {{val|0 -19 -36 -16 -61}}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 3 5 4 8 | 0 -19 -36 -16 -61 }}


POTE generator: ~21/20 = 89.291
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000, ~21/20 = 89.291


Vals: {{Val list| 94, 121, 215, 336de, 551bde }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 94, 121, 215, 336de, 551bde }}


Badness: 0.045895
Badness: 0.045895
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Comma list: 325/324, 352/351, 540/539, 1575/1573
Comma list: 325/324, 352/351, 540/539, 1575/1573


Mapping: [{{val|1 3 5 4 8 4}}, {{val|0 -19 -36 -16 -61 -4}}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 3 5 4 8 4 | 0 -19 -36 -16 -61 -4 }}


POTE generator: ~21/20 = 89.286
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000, ~21/20 = 89.286


Vals: {{Val list| 94, 121, 215, 336def }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 94, 121, 215, 336def }}


Badness: 0.028492
Badness: 0.028492


== Quintupole ==
=== 17-limit ===
: ''See also: [[16ed5/2 #Regular temperaments]] or [[34ed7 #Regular temperaments]]''
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 325/324, 352/351, 375/374, 540/539, 595/594
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 3 5 4 8 4 9 | 0 -19 -36 -16 -61 -4 -66 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000, ~21/20 = 89.286
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 94, 121, 215, 336defg }}
 
Badness: 0.019811


The ''quintupole'' temperament tempers out the octagar comma and the mistisma (458752/455625) in the 7-limit; 896/891 (pentacircle), 1375/1372 (moctdel), and 4375/4356 (fantares, luluzoquadyo) in the 11-limit. The word "quintupole" means ''five poles'', but also a play on the words "quintuple" and "polypyth". It is so named because the generator is 1/5 of the [[Porwell temperaments #Polypyth|polypyth]] fourth (~4/3, about 495.8 cents). Proper pronunciation of the word "quintupole" is /'kwɪntʊpəʊl/ or /'kwɪntʊpoʊl/, like as "quin-to-pole". ''Not to be confused with [[Marvel temperaments #Quintapole|quint<u>'''a'''</u>pole]] temperament (12&amp;85).''
=== 19-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19


Comma list: 190/189, 325/324, 352/351, 361/360, 375/374, 595/594


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 3 5 4 8 4 9 7 | 0 -19 -36 -16 -61 -4 -66 -37 }}


[[Comma list]]: 4000/3969, 458752/455625
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000, ~19/18 = 89.288


[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 2 1 0}}, {{val|0 -5 16 34}}]
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 94, 121, 215, 336defg }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 5 -16 -34 -37 -68 -34 }}
Badness: 0.016408


[[POTE generator]]: ~135/128 = 99.175
=== 23-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19.23


{{Vals|legend=1| 12, 97, 109, 121 }}
Comma list: 190/189, 300/299, 323/322, 325/324, 352/351, 361/360, 484/483


[[Badness]]: 0.111620
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 3 5 4 8 4 9 7 11 | 0 -19 -36 -16 -61 -4 -66 -37 -87 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000, ~19/18 = 89.297
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 94, 121i, 215 }}
 
Badness: 0.014946
 
== Tridecatonic ==
{{See also| 13th-octave temperaments #Tridecatonic }}
 
The tridecatonic temperament ({{nowrap| 26 & 39 }}) has a period of 1/13 octave. It tempers out the tridecalimma, {{monzo| -11 26 -13 }} in the 5-limit. There are some extensions for 7-limit, including tridecatonic ({{nowrap| 26 & 39d }}, tempering out 4000/3969), [[ragismic microtemperaments #Trideci|trideci]] ({{nowrap| 26 & 39 }}, tempering out 4375/4374), and [[26th-octave temperaments|bosonic]] ({{nowrap| 26 & 130 }}, tempering out 321489/320000).
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 4000/3969, 8748/8575
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 13 21 31 37 | 0 -1 -2 -1 }}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~21/20 = 92.3077, ~3/2 = 701.9605
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 26, 39d, 65d }}
 
[[Badness]]: 0.139213


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 896/891, 1375/1372, 4375/4356
Comma list: 99/98, 1944/1925, 2560/2541


Mapping: [{{val|1 2 1 0 -1}}, {{val|0 -5 16 34 54}}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 13 21 31 37 45 | 0 -1 -2 -1 0 }}


POTE generator: ~35/33 = 99.156
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~21/20 = 92.3077, ~3/2 = 701.7028


Vals: {{Val list| 12, 109, 121, 351bde, 472bdee }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 26, 39d, 65d }}


Badness: 0.056501
Badness: 0.063257


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 352/351, 364/363, 625/624, 2704/2695
Comma list: 99/98, 144/143, 275/273, 1040/1029


Mapping: [{{val|1 2 1 0 -1 -2}}, {{val|0 -5 16 34 54 69}}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 13 21 31 37 45 49 | 0 -1 -2 -1 0 -2 }}


POTE generator: ~35/33 = 99.165
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~21/20 = 92.3077, ~3/2 = 701.3573


Vals: {{Val list| 12f, 109, 121 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 26, 39df, 65d }}


Badness: 0.038431
Badness: 0.037851


=== 17-limit ===
== Dhaivatic ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 4000/3969, 2100875/2097152
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -4 -3 6 | 0 21 20 -12 }}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~2 = 1200.000, ~6/5 = 319.198
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 15, 64c, 79, 94, 203, 297 }}
 
[[Badness]]: 0.168373


Comma list: 256/255, 352/351, 364/363, 375/374, 442/441
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Mapping: [{{val|1 2 1 0 -1 -2 5}}, {{val|0 -5 16 34 54 69 -11}}]
Comma list: 385/384, 1331/1323, 4000/3969


POTE generator: ~18/17 = 99.172
Mapping: {{Mapping| 1 -4 -3 6 0 | 0 21 20 -12 13 }}


Vals: {{Val list| 12f, 109, 121 }}
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000, ~6/5 = 319.197


Badness: 0.028721
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 64c, 79, 94, 203, 297c }}


=== 19-limit ===
Badness: 0.051216
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19


Comma list: 190/189, 256/255, 352/351, 361/360, 364/363, 375/374
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Mapping: [{{val|1 2 1 0 -1 -2 5 4}}, {{val|0 -5 16 34 54 69 -11 3}}]
Comma list: 275/273, 325/324, 385/384, 1331/1323


POTE generator: ~18/17 = 99.164
Mapping: {{Mapping| 1 -4 -3 6 0 -8 | 0 21 20 -12 13 44 }}


Vals: {{Val list| 12f, 109, 121 }}
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~2 = 1200.000, ~6/5 = 319.165


Badness: 0.023818
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 49bceff, 64cf, 79, 94 }}


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Badness: 0.037468
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