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The head of the '''sycamore family''' is [[5-limit]] sycamore, which tempers out (25/24)<sup>6</sup>/(5/4) = {{monzo| -16 -6 11 }} = 48828125/47775744. The dual of the [[monzo]] is the [[wedgie]], &lt;&lt;11 6 -16||, which tells us that six chromatic semitone [[generator]]s give 5/4 (and hence five 6/5) and eleven give 3/2. [[94edo]] supports sycamore, and 5\94 is recommendable as a generator. It can be described as the 19&amp;94 temperament, and uses a decidedly flat version of the chromatic semitone as a generator. [[MOS]] of 18 or 19 notes to the octave give enough room for sycamore's triads, but 37 notes can be tried by the adventurous.
The head of the '''sycamore family''' is [[5-limit]] sycamore, which tempers out (25/24)<sup>6</sup>/(5/4) = {{monzo| -16 -6 11 }} = 48828125/47775744, the [[sycamore comma]]. Its [[generator]] is a [[25/24 | classic chromatic semitone]], and stacking six of these gives 5/4 (and hence five 6/5) and eleven give 3/2. [[94edo]] [[support]]s sycamore, and 5\94 is recommendable as a generator. It can be described as the 19 &amp; 94 temperament, and uses a decidedly flat version of the chromatic semitone as a generator. [[mos]] of 18 or 19 notes to the octave give enough room for sycamore's triads, but 37 notes can be tried by the adventurous.


Another possible tuning uses a generator which is a pure 3/2 divided into 11 parts, and this makes the generator chain of sycamore exactly the same as [[Carlos Beta]]. In fact, Carlos Beta is characterized by Carlos as taking five steps to reach 6/5 and six to reach 5/4, which means it tempers out the sycamore comma. It can be described as the generator chain of sycamore, or sycamore can be called Carlos Beta with octaves.
Another possible tuning uses a generator which is a near pure 3/2 at 702.162258 [[cent]]s divided into 11 parts, and this makes the generator chain of sycamore exactly the same as [[Carlos Beta]]. In fact, Carlos Beta is characterized by Carlos as taking five steps to reach 6/5 and six to reach 5/4, which means it tempers out the sycamore comma. It can be described as the generator chain of sycamore, or sycamore can be called Carlos Beta with octaves.


= Sycamore =
== Sycamore ==
Comma: 48828125/47775744
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5


[[POTE generator]]: ~25/24 = 63.779
[[Comma list]]: 48828125/47775744


Map: [&lt;1 1 2|, &lt;0 11 6|]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 | 0 11 6 }}


{{EDOs|legend=1| 18, 19, 56, 75, 94, 207c, 301c }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~25/24


Badness: 0.2100
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.6031{{c}}, ~25/24 = 63.8108{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.603 +0.567 -2.242 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~25/24 = 63.8234{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.103 -3.373 }}


== 7-limit ==
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 18, 19, 56, 75, 94, 207c, 301c }}
The second element of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] for septimal sycamore is [[875/864]], the keema, and it also tempers out [[686/675]], the senga, and [[3136/3125]], hemimean. It has &lt;&lt;11 6 15 -16 -7 18|| for a wedgie, and may also be called the 19&amp;56 temperament. This may also be used as the name for the temperament obtained by adding [[100/99]] to sycamore's commas, giving unidecimal sycamore, where 10 generator steps reaches 16/11, 11 reach 3/2, and 15 give 7/4, adding a considerable dose of 11-limit harmonies to the 19-note MOS. [[75edo]] is an excellent tuning for 7-limit sycamore, and [[56edo]] for the 11-limit version.


Commas: 686/675, 875/864
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 4.925


[[POTE generator]]: ~25/24 = 63.995
== Septimal sycamore ==
{{main| Sycamore and betic }}


Map: [&lt;1 1 2 2|, &lt;0 11 6 15|]
The second element of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] for septimal sycamore is [[875/864]], the keema, and it also tempers out [[686/675]], the senga, and [[3136/3125]], hemimean. It may also be called the 19 &amp; 56 temperament. This may also be used as the name for the temperament obtained by adding [[100/99]] to sycamore's commas, giving unidecimal sycamore, where 10 generator steps reaches 16/11, 11 reach 3/2, and 15 give 7/4, adding a considerable dose of 11-limit harmonies to the 19-note MOS. [[75edo]] is an excellent tuning for 7-limit sycamore, and [[56edo]] for the 11-limit version.


{{EDOs|legend=1| 18, 19, 56, 75d }}
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


Badness: 0.0620
[[Comma list]]: 686/675, 875/864


== 11-limit ==
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 2 | 0 11 6 15 }}
Commas: 100/99, 385/384, 686/675


[[POTE generator]]: ~25/24 = 64.268
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.7208, ~25/24 = 64.0334
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~25/24 = 64.0496


Map: [&lt;1 1 2 2 4|, &lt;0 11 6 15 -10|]
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 18, 19, 56, 75d }}


{{EDOs|legend=1| 18, 19, 37, 56 }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.569


Badness: 0.0559
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


== 13-limit ==
Comma list: 100/99, 385/384, 686/675
Commas: 91/90, 100/99, 169/168, 385/384


POTE generator: ~25/24 = 64.296
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 2 4 | 0 11 6 15 -10 }}


Map: [&lt;1 1 2 2 4 3|, &lt;0 11 6 15 -10 13|]
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.4126, ~25/24 = 64.2363
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~25/24 = 64.2505


{{EDOs|legend=1| 18, 19, 37, 56 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 18, 19, 37, 56 }}


Badness: 0.0343
Badness (Sintel): 1.849


= Betic =
=== 13-limit ===
Septimal sycamore sharpens the fifth from where it stands in the 5-limit, and lowers accuracy in order to reach 7-limit harmonies. If we retain tunings approximately (e.g. 94et) or exactly those of Carlos Beta, we get the 19&amp;94 temperament, betic, for the 7-limit. This adds [[225/224]] to the sycamore comma, and has &lt;&lt;11 6 34 -16 23 62|| as a wedgie. The Carlos Beta tuning, with pure fifths, is a good tuning choice, but 94 or 113 equal are as well. Betic extends to the 11-limit upon addition of [[385/384]] or [[540/539]] to the list of commas, which means it supports both 7 and 11-limit marvel. The wedgie starts &lt;&lt;11 6 34 -29 ...||.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Commas: 225/224, 1071875/1062882
Comma list: 91/90, 100/99, 169/168, 385/384


[[POTE generator]]: 63.701
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 2 4 3 | 0 11 6 15 -10 13 }}


Map: [&lt;1 1 2 1|, &lt;0 11 6 34|]
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.6597, ~25/24 = 64.2778
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~25/24 = 64.2853


{{EDOs|legend=1| 19, 75, 94, 113, 320c, 433cd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 18, 19, 37, 56 }}


== 11-limit ==
Badness (Sintel): 1.417


Commas: 225/224, 385/384, 218750/216513
== Betic ==
{{main| Sycamore and betic }}


[[POTE generator]]: 63.776
Septimal sycamore sharpens the fifth from where it stands in the 5-limit, and lowers accuracy in order to reach 7-limit harmonies. If we retain tunings approximately (e.g. 94edo) or exactly those of Carlos Beta, we get the 19 &amp; 94 temperament, betic, for the 7-limit. This adds [[225/224]] to the sycamore comma. The Carlos Beta tuning, with pure fifths, is a good tuning choice, but 94 or 113 equal are as well. Betic extends to the 11-limit upon addition of [[385/384]] or [[540/539]] to the list of commas, which means it supports both 7 and 11-limit marvel.  


Map: [&lt;1 1 2 1 5|, &lt;0 11 6 34 -29|]
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


{{EDOs|legend=1| 19, 75, 94, 207c }}
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 1071875/1062882


[[Category:Theory]]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 2 1 | 0 11 6 34 }}
[[Category:Temperament family]]
 
[[Category:Sycamore]]
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.6891, ~25/24 = 63.7773
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~25/24 = 63.7683
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 19, 56d, 75, 94, 113, 320cc, 433ccd }}
 
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.765
 
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 225/224, 385/384, 218750/216513
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 5 | 0 11 6 34 -29 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1200.4466, ~25/24 = 63.7993
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~25/24 = 63.7796
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 19, 75, 94, 207c }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.880
 
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 225/224, 325/324, 385/384, 1875/1859
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 2 1 5 2 | 0 11 6 34 -29 32 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1200.3946, ~25/24 = 63.7867
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~25/24 = 63.7702
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 19, 75, 94, 113, 207c }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 1.342
 
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