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From May 2025 onwards, the Xenharmonic Wiki is introducing new '''notability guidelines'''.  
'''This is not actually Xen Wiki policy, it is only a hypothetical proposal by one user.'''
 
 
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The Xenharmonic Wiki is introducing new '''notability guidelines'''.  


These are less strict than Wikipedia's guidelines. The main goal of these guidelines is to stem the tide of dozens of very short new pages about topics of limited musical usefulness.
These are less strict than Wikipedia's guidelines. The main goal of these guidelines is to stem the tide of dozens of very short new pages about topics of limited musical usefulness.
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Main space pages are pages without any prefix. For example "Major scale".
Main space pages are pages without any prefix. For example "Major scale".


== Banned content ==
== Pages with GENTLE notability requirements ==
In general the wiki is suffering from a lack of citations, so if you cite your sources, that is especially appreciated and goes a long way.


=== Objectively false claims ===
Pages that typically belong in main space include but are not limited to:
Objectively false claims (e.g. "the octave is 1500 cents") '''do not belong anywhere on the wiki''' and should be deleted.
=== • Pages about composers, theorists or musicians ===
=== • Pages about instruments ===
=== • Pages about long-standing musical traditions ===
=== • Pages about widely used tunings or intervals ===


This includes false claims about existing musical traditions (e.g. "the Indonesian slendro scale is 5edo.")
== Pages with MODERATE notability requirements ==


What IS allowed though, are comparisons, as long as they are accurate. (So you CAN say "the Indonesian slendro scale is ''similar to'' 5edo.")
=== Using words or names you invented yourself ===
If you ever use a word or name that you invented yourself, '''mark it with [[:Template:Idiosyncratic]]'''.


=== Offensive content ===
If you use several such terms in one section of a page, then instead of using [[:Template:Idiosyncratic]] several times, instead place [[:Template:Idiosyncratic terms]] at the start of the section.
The following content '''does not belong anywhere on the wiki''' and should be deleted:
* Content which promotes or risks promoting hatred or discrimination against any group of people
* Content which is mean-spirited or in bad faith
* Content which is in any way obscene, lewd or scatological
* Anything which borders on, or hints at, any of the above


=== What to do if you see banned content ===
=== NEW pages about regular temperaments ===
If you see banned content in a page, delete that content off of the page. If the entire page falls under the umbrella of banned content, put [[:Template:Delete]] at the top of the page.
These are great! We do need more pages dedicated to individual [[temperament]]s. But make sure to include all or almost all of the following:
* Interval chain (for [[rank-2]] temperaments) / [[Lattice]] (for [[rank-3]] temperaments and higher)
* Tables/spectra of tunings
* At least one paragraph explaining its structure
* At least one paragraph explaining its properties
* An infobox - use [[:Template:Infobox Regtemp]]


== Always USER page content ==
Thank you :)
 
=== Essays/opinion pieces ===
These should always be '''user pages'''.


== Usually USER page content ==
== Pages with STRICT notability requirements ==


=== Pages with significantly more automated template content than human-written content ===
=== Pages with significantly more automated template content than human-written content ===
These should always be '''user pages''' - the exception is if they are about a [[MOS]] with 30 or fewer total steps, then they can go in main space.  
These should always be '''user pages''' - the exception is if they are about a [[MOS]] with 30 or fewer total steps, then they can go in main space.  


If the page is about a very important topic (see below for elaboration) that is a priority for the wiki to cover, then include [[:Template:Stub]] at the BOTTOM of the page. This will tell future authors to write more content for your page, and once it is fleshed out, it can be moved to main space. The aforementioned MOS exception does not preclude requiring this template wherever the manual content is sparse.
If the page is about a very important topic (see below sections for elaboration) that is a priority for the wiki to cover, then include [[:Template:Stub]] at the BOTTOM of the page. This will tell future authors to write more content for your page, and once it is fleshed out, it can be moved to main space.  
 
MOS pages DO still require the stub template when their manual content is sparse.


=== NEW pages about intervals, commas, or equal tunings ===
=== NEW pages about intervals, commas, or equal tunings ===
If one is unsure about meeting the below criteria, these should be '''user pages'''.
==== In general ====
The basic principle here is to have ''good rationale''.
 
'''Think about why you are creating this page.'''
 
'''Why does the concept you are writing a page for need to have its own article?'''
 
Did you come across this while playing with a scale or exploring compositional possibilities, or otherwise while investigating structures theoretically? ...If so, then there is some reason or context that the idea exists in; we therefore urge you to describe that reason when you are writing the page.
 
Additionally, question whether it is really necessary to create a page or if what you have the interest in talking about would belong as a mention on a different, already-existing page instead.
 
The below criteria are soft guidelines in general, but delineate what the good reasons are for a page to be made.
 
==== Intervals ====
If you are unsure about meeting the below criteria, make it a '''user page'''.
 
If the page is about '''an interval''' that meets AT LEAST ONE of the following criteria, then it can be a main space page (''as long as it has at least a full paragraph of human-written content, rather than consisting mostly of just templates''):
* Both its numerator and denominator are 2 digits or less
* It has a [[Wilson height]] of around 40 or less
* It is highly structurally important to some musical framework used by at least 2 people
 
==== Commas ====
If you are unsure about meeting the below criteria, make it a '''user page'''.
 
If the page is about '''a [[comma]]''', then make it a main space page ONLY if AT LEAST one of the following is true:
* tempering it out has low [[badness]] and sensible structural interpretation in a ''non-absurd'' [[subgroup]]
* it is incidental to multiple temperaments elsewhere documented on the wiki
* it has [[essentially tempered chord]]s in a reasonable odd-limit,
 
Additionally, if it is to be a main space page, you MUST do the following:
* explain its particular xenharmonic value with at least a full paragraph of human-written text
 
If the above conditions aren't met, then make it a user page.
 
==== Equal tunings ====
If you are unsure about meeting the below criteria, make it a '''user page'''.


If the page is about a [[comma]] such that at least one of the following is true: tempering it out has very low [[badness]] and sensible structural interpretation in a ''non-absurd'' [[subgroup]], it is incidental to multiple temperaments elsewhere documented on the wiki, or it has [[essentially tempered chords]] in a reasonable odd-limit, then it can be a main space page - provided that its particular xenharmonic value is explained and as long as it has at least a full paragraph of human-written content, rather than consisting mostly of just templates.
If the page is about '''an [[equal-step tuning|equal tuning]] (ET)''', proceed with caution.  


If the page is about an interval that is fairly simple (as a heuristic: if it has a numerator and denominator each 2 digits or less or [[Wilson height]] below 40), then it can be a main space page, as long as it has at least a full paragraph of human-written content, rather than consisting mostly of just templates.
If the page is to be in main space, it must meet ALL the following criteria:
* At least one or more full paragraphs of ''thoughtful'', ''human-written'' content. The following types of content DO NOT count towards this:
** Tables, boxes or sentences auto-generated by templates
** AI-generated text
** Simple, superficial observations, e.g.:
*** "this ET performs well in the 2.9.15.11.17.23 subgroup"
*** "this ET tempers out x comma"
*** "this ET supports temperament"
Those are all still useful things to include, but only if you actually describe how they relate to this temperament and what that means for musicians or composers.


If the page is about an [[equal-step tuning|equal tuning]] (ET), proceed with caution. You need to be able to write at least a paragraph of manual, human-written content, which must not consist of simple, superficial observations that can be ''easily obtained'' by someone just looking at tables already provided on the ET page (for instance "this EDO performs well in the 2.9.15.11.17.23 subgroup" is easily readable from the table of harmonics generally provided right below such a statement, and is therefore considered trivial to derive), and must in some way ''point uniquely'' to that specific ET ("this EDO tempers out [comma]" or "this EDO supports [temperament]" ''on their own'' do not specify why that particular ET is important as a tuning thereof). If you can do all of that, it can be a main space page, otherwise, it should be a user page. But note also the following:
If you are making a main space page for an ET with an unusual [[equave]] or [[period]] (e.g. ED5/3, ED7, ED8/7, etc.), then there must be a VERY good reason why it's important; otherwise it should be a user page.


* All pages for [[EDO]]s and [[EDT]]s below a few hundred have already been created, implying the remainder of ET pages either have hundreds or thousands of steps (putting a greater burden on notability that way), or have obscure [[equave]]s (which need further justification for considering in the first place).  
If you are making a main space page for an EDO, EDT, or other ET with hundreds or thousands of steps, then there must be an EXTREMELY good reason why it's important, otherwise it should be a user page.
* We require that any new pages on EDOs, EDTs, etc. to be linked to from the main page "EDO", "EDT", etc. itself; these links have to be inserted manually for EDOs over 1000 and EDTs over 300. Consider the fact that the EDO page is semi-protected into the calculation.
 
Any time you make a new ED(n) page in main space, you MUST place a link to it on the page for "ED(n)". For example, if you make a page for 59ed5/4, you must place a link to it on the page "Ed5/4". Or if you make a page for 7465edo, you must place a link to it on the page "EDO".


=== New music theory concepts you came up with yourself ===
=== New music theory concepts you came up with yourself ===
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They should '''always include [[:Template:Worldbuilding]] at the top of the page'''.
They should '''always include [[:Template:Worldbuilding]] at the top of the page'''.


== MAIN space content requiring extra caution ==
== Essays/opinion pieces ==
 
These should always be '''user pages'''.
=== Using words or names you invented yourself ===
If you ever use a word or name that you invented yourself, '''mark it with [[:Template:Idiosyncratic]]'''.
 
If you use several such terms in one section of a page, then instead of using [[:Template:Idiosyncratic]] several times, instead place [[:Template:Idiosyncratic terms]] at the start of the section.
 
=== New pages about regular temperaments ===
These are great! We do need more pages dedicated to individual [[temperament]]s. But make sure to include all or almost all of the following:
* Interval chain (for [[rank-2]] temperaments) / [[Lattice]] (for [[rank-3]] temperaments and higher)
* Tables/spectra of tunings
* At least one paragraph explaining its structure
* At least one paragraph explaining its properties
* An [[Template:Infobox Regtemp|infobox]]
 
Thank you :)
 
== General MAIN space content ==
In general the wiki is suffering from a lack of citations, so if you cite your sources, that is especially appreciated and goes a long way.
 
Pages that typically belong in main space include but are not limited to:
=== • Pages about composers, theorists or musicians ===
=== • Pages about instruments ===
=== • Pages about long-standing musical traditions ===
=== • Pages about widely used tunings or intervals ===


== Entries on list and gallery pages ==
== Entries on list and gallery pages ==
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=== Temperament family, clan or collection pages ===
=== Temperament family, clan or collection pages ===
If you are documenting an [[extension]] to a base temperament, especially in the [[11-limit]] and higher where multiple primes may dictate conflicting tuning tendencies, do so only if the extension:
Only include temperaments which have low [[badness]] in a non-absurd, non-arbitrary subgroup, or are restrictions of such to lower prime limits.
* is the best available extension to the given [[subgroup]]/[[prime limit|limit]] in a specific tuning subrange of the base temperament, or
 
* is particularly simple compared to other extensions to the same subgroup, or
It is highly recommended to include least one sentence of rationale, for why this temperament was documented or why this particular extension may be chosen.
* splits the base temperament's [[generator]]s in a nontrivial way and is better than other extensions to do the same by either of the above criteria.
 
==== Extensions ====
If you are documenting an [[extension]] to a base temperament, especially in the [[13-limit]] and higher where multiple primes may dictate conflicting tuning tendencies, do so only if the extension:
* is the best available extension to the given [[subgroup]]/[[prime limit|limit]] in a specific tuning subrange of the base temperament, OR
* is particularly simple compared to other extensions to the same subgroup, OR
* splits the base temperament's [[generator]]s in a nontrivial way and is better than other extensions to do the same by either of the above criteria


Otherwise, only include temperaments which have low [[badness]] in a non-absurd, non-arbitrary [[subgroup]], or are restrictions of such to lower [[prime limits]]. It is of course also a requirement to include all the standard temperament data - subgroup, [[comma]]s, [[mapping]], and at least one [[optimal tuning]], and a strong recommendation that at least one sentence of rationale (for why this temperament was documented or why this extension may be chosen) be provided as well.
If the extension is to a subgroup that does not fill out a prime limit, it should be explained why it is natural or reasonable to consider this.


=== Tables of commas ===
=== Tables of commas ===
Only include commas which are [[tempered out]] by at least one low-badness [[temperament]] in a non-absurd, non-arbitrary subgroup, AND which are important for defining that temperament (not incidental).
Only include commas which are [[tempered out]] by at least one low-badness [[temperament]] in a non-absurd, non-arbitrary subgroup, AND which are important for defining that temperament (not incidental).  
 
([[List of superparticular intervals]] is an exception in that that page explicitly intends to include ''all'' superparticulars within a given limit.)


=== Entries that don't meet the above criteria ===
=== Entries that don't meet the above criteria ===
List them on your own user page instead.
List them on your own user page instead.
== Banned content ==
=== Objectively false claims ===
Objectively false claims (e.g. "the octave is 1500 cents") '''do not belong anywhere on the wiki''' and should be deleted.
This includes false claims about existing musical traditions (e.g. "the Indonesian slendro scale is 5edo.")
What IS allowed though, are comparisons, as long as they are accurate. (So you CAN say "the Indonesian slendro scale is ''similar to'' 5edo.")
=== Offensive content ===
The following content '''does not belong anywhere on the wiki''' and should be deleted:
* Content which promotes or risks promoting hatred or discrimination against any group of people
* Content which is mean-spirited or in bad faith
* Content which is in any way obscene, lewd or scatological
* Anything which borders on, or hints at, any of the above
=== What to do if you see banned content ===
If you see banned content in a page, delete that content off of the page. If the entire page falls under the umbrella of banned content, put [[:Template:Delete]] at the top of the page.