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The '''schismic-Pythagorean equivalence continuum''' is a continuum of 5-limit temperaments which equate a number of [[32805/32768|schismas (32805/32768)]] with [[Pythagorean comma|Pythagorean comma ({{monzo| -19 12 }})]]. This continuum is theoretically interesting in that these are all 5-limit temperaments supported by [[12edo]].
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The '''schismic–commatic equivalence continuum''' is a [[equivalence continuum|continuum]] of [[5-limit]] [[regular temperament|temperaments]] which equate a number of [[32805/32768|schismas (32805/32768)]] with [[Pythagorean comma|Pythagorean comma ({{monzo| -19 12 }})]]. This continuum is theoretically interesting in that these are all 5-limit temperaments [[support]]ed by [[12edo]].


All temperaments in the continuum satisfy (32805/32768)<sup>''n''</sup> ~ {{monzo| -19 12 }}. Varying ''n'' results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to [[schismic]] as ''n'' approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite ''n'', the continuum describes the set of all [[5-limit]] temperaments supported by [[12edo]] due to it being the unique equal temperament that tempers both commas and thus tempers all combinations of them. The just value of ''n'' is approximately 12.0078623975…, and temperaments having ''n'' near this value tend to be the most accurate ones – indeed, the fact that this number is so close to 12 reflects how small [[Kirnberger's atom]] (the difference between 12 schismas and the Pythagorean comma) is.
All temperaments in the continuum satisfy {{nowrap|(32805/32768)<sup>''n''</sup> ~ {{monzo| -19 12 }}}}. Varying ''n'' results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to [[schismic]] as ''n'' approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite ''n'', the continuum describes the set of all 5-limit temperaments supported by 12edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that [[tempering out|tempers out]] both commas and thus tempers out all combinations of them. The just value of ''n'' is approximately 12.0078623975…, and temperaments having ''n'' near this value tend to be the most accurate ones – indeed, the fact that this number is so close to 12 reflects how small [[Kirnberger's atom]] (the difference between 12 schismas and the Pythagorean comma) is.
 
The [[Pythagorean comma]] is the characteristic 3-limit comma tempered out in 12edo, and has many advantages as a target. In each case, ''n'' equals the order of [[5/1|harmonic 5]] in the corresponding comma, and equals the number of steps to obtain the interval class of [[3/1|harmonic 3]] in the generator chain. For an ''n'' that is not coprime with 12, however, the corresponding temperament splits the [[octave]] into {{nowrap| gcd(''n'', 12) }} parts, and splits the interval class of 3 into {{nowrap| ''n''/gcd(''n'', 12) }}. For example:
* [[Meantone]] ({{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 1 }}) is generated by a fifth with an unsplit octave;
* [[Diaschismic]] ({{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 2 }}) splits the octave in two, as 2 divides 12;
* [[Misty]] ({{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 3 }}) splits the octave in three, as 3 divides 12;
* [[Undim]]  ({{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 4 }}) splits the octave in four, as 4 divides 12;
* [[Quindromeda]]  ({{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 5 }}) does not split the octave but splits the fourth in five, as 5 is coprime with 12.  


{| class="wikitable center-1"
{| class="wikitable center-1"
|+ Temperaments with integer ''n''
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Temperaments with integer ''n''
|-
|-
! rowspan="2" | ''n''
! rowspan="2" | ''n''
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! Ratio
! Ratio
! Monzo
! Monzo
|-
| -3
| [[Triscordial]]
| (40 digits)
| {{Monzo| -64 36 3 }}
|-
| -2
| [[Biscordial]]
| (30 digits)
| {{Monzo| -49 28 2 }}
|-
|-
| -1
| -1
| [[Marvel temperaments #Gracecordial|Gracecordial]]
| [[Gracecordial]]
| 17433922005/17179869184
| (22 digits)
| {{monzo| -34 20 1 }}
| {{Monzo| -34 20 1 }}
|-
|-
| 0
| 0
| [[Compton family|Compton]]
| [[Compton]]
| [[531441/524288]]
| [[531441/524288]]
| {{monzo| -19 12 }}
| {{Monzo| -19 12 }}
|-
|-
| 1
| 1
| [[Meantone family|Meantone]]
| [[Meantone]]
| [[81/80]]
| [[81/80]]
| {{monzo| -4 4 -1 }}
| {{Monzo| -4 4 -1 }}
|-
|-
| 2
| 2
| [[Diaschismic family|Diaschismic]]
| [[Diaschismic]]
| [[2048/2025]]
| [[2048/2025]]
| {{monzo| 11 -4 -2 }}
| {{Monzo| 11 -4 -2 }}
|-
|-
| 3
| 3
| [[Misty family|Misty]]
| [[Misty]]
| [[67108864/66430125]]
| [[67108864/66430125]]
| {{monzo| 26 -12 -3 }}
| {{Monzo| 26 -12 -3 }}
|-
|-
| 4
| 4
| [[Undim family|Undim]]
| [[Undim]]
|  
| (26 digits)
| {{monzo| 41 -20 -4 }}
| {{Monzo| 41 -20 -4 }}
|-
|-
| 5
| 5
| [[Quindromeda family|Quindromeda]]
| [[Quindromeda]]
|  
| (34 digits)
| {{monzo| 56 -28 -5 }}
| {{Monzo| 56 -28 -5 }}
|-
|-
| 6
| 6
| [[Sextile]]
| [[Sextile]]
|  
| (44 digits)
| {{monzo| 71 -36 -6 }}
| {{Monzo| 71 -36 -6 }}
|-
|-
| 7
| 7
| [[Schismic-Pythagorean equivalence continuum#Heptacot|Heptacot]]
| [[Heptacot]]
|  
| (52 digits)
| {{monzo| 86 -44 -7 }}
| {{Monzo| 86 -44 -7 }}
|-
|-
| 8
| 8
| [[World calendar]]
| [[World calendar]] restriction
|  
| (62 digits)
| {{monzo| 101 -52 -8 }}
| {{Monzo| 101 -52 -8 }}
|-
|-
| 9
| 9
| Quinbisa-tritrigu (12&amp;441)
| Quinbisa-tritrigu (12 & 441)
|  
| (70 digits)
| {{monzo| 116 -60 -9 }}
| {{Monzo| 116 -60 -9 }}
|-
|-
| 10
| 10
| Lesa-quinbigu (12&amp;494)
| Lesa-quinbigu (12 & 494)
|  
| (80 digits)
| {{monzo| 131 -68 -10 }}
| {{Monzo| 131 -68 -10 }}
|-
|-
| 11
| 11
| Quadtrisa-legu (12&amp;559)
| Quadtrisa-legu (12 & 559)
|  
| (88 digits)
| {{monzo| 146 -76 -11 }}
| {{Monzo| 146 -76 -11 }}
|-
|-
| 12
| 12
| [[Very high accuracy temperaments #Atomic|Atomic]]
| [[Atomic]]
|  
| (98 digits)
| [[Kirnberger's atom|{{monzo| 161 -84 -12 }}]]
| [[Kirnberger's atom|{{Monzo| 161 -84 -12 }}]]
|-
|-
| 13
| 13
| Quintrila-theyo (12&amp;677)
| Quintrila-theyo (12 & 677)
|  
| (106 digits)
| {{monzo| -176 92 13 }}
| {{Monzo| -176 92 13 }}
|-
|-
| …
| …
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| [[Schismic]]
| [[Schismic]]
| [[32805/32768]]
| [[32805/32768]]
| {{monzo| -15 8 1 }}
| {{Monzo| -15 8 1 }}
|}
|}


We may invert the continuum by setting ''m'' such that 1/''m'' + 1/''n'' = 1. This may be called the ''syntonic-Pythagorean equivalence continuum'', which is essentially the same thing. The just value of ''m'' is 1.0908441588…
We may invert the continuum by setting ''m'' such that {{nowrap| 1/''m'' + 1/''n'' {{=}} 1 }}. This may be called the ''syntonic–commatic equivalence continuum'', which is essentially the same thing. The just value of ''m'' is 1.0908441588…. The [[syntonic comma]] is way larger but much simpler than the schisma. As such, this continuum does not contain as many [[microtemperament]]s, but has more useful lower-complexity temperaments.


{| class="wikitable center-1"
Alternatively, because the the 5-limit otonal detemperament of 12edo is a 4×3 rectangle (known as the [[duodene]]), we may be interested in expressing the continuum in terms of the boundary commas of this detemper, that is, as {{nowrap| ([[81/80]])<sup>''k''</sup> ~ ([[128/125]]) }}. This corresponds to these commas' structural significance via 128/125 being entirely in the [[2.5 subgroup]] while 81/80 explains 5 in the simplest way relative to the 3-limit. This choice of coordinates is a flip of the ''m''-continuum such that microtemperaments converging to atomic are found as successive mediants towards the [[JIP]]. Specifically, its JIP is at 1.90915584…, which is approximated very closely by the microtemperament atomic at {{nowrap| 21/11 {{=}} 1.90909… }} so that the main ''n''-continuum can be seen as taking successive mediants towards 2/1 (schismic) starting from 1/1 (diaschismic). It is noted for its nontrivial relation to the other better-motivated (in terms of mapping) coordinates discussed.
|+ Temperaments with integer ''m''
 
{| class="wikitable center-1 center-2"
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Temperaments with integer ''m'' (and thus ''k'')
|-
|-
! rowspan="2" | ''m''
! rowspan="2" | ''m''
! rowspan="2" | ''k''
! rowspan="2" | Temperament
! rowspan="2" | Temperament
! colspan="2" | Comma
! colspan="2" | Comma
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|-
|-
| -1
| -1
| 4
| [[Python]]
| [[Python]]
| [[43046721/41943040]]
| [[43046721/41943040]]
| {{monzo| -23 16 -1 }}
| {{Monzo| -23 16 -1 }}
|-
|-
| 0
| 0
| [[Compton family|Compton]]
| 3
| [[Compton]]
| [[531441/524288]]
| [[531441/524288]]
| {{monzo| -19 12 }}
| {{Monzo| -19 12 }}
|-
|-
| 1
| 1
| 2
| [[Schismic]]
| [[Schismic]]
| [[32805/32768]]
| [[32805/32768]]
| {{monzo| -15 8 1 }}
| {{Monzo| -15 8 1 }}
|-
|-
| 2
| 2
| [[Diaschismic family|Diaschismic]]
| 1
| [[Diaschismic]]
| [[2048/2025]]
| [[2048/2025]]
| {{monzo| 11 -4 -2 }}
| {{Monzo| 11 -4 -2 }}
|-
|-
| 3
| 3
| [[Augmented]]
| 0
| [[Augmented (temperament)|Augmented]]
| [[128/125]]
| [[128/125]]
| {{monzo| 7 0 -3 }}
| {{Monzo| 7 0 -3 }}
|-
|-
| 4
| 4
| [[Diminished]]
| -1
| [[Diminished (temperament)|Diminished]]
| [[648/625]]
| [[648/625]]
| {{monzo| 3 4 -4 }}
| {{Monzo| 3 4 -4 }}
|-
|-
| 5
| 5
| -2
| [[Ripple]]
| [[Ripple]]
| [[6561/6250]]
| [[6561/6250]]
| {{monzo| -1 8 -5 }}
| {{Monzo| -1 8 -5 }}
|-
|-
| 6
| 6
| -3
| [[Wronecki]]
| [[Wronecki]]
| [[531441/500000]]
| [[531441/500000]]
| {{monzo| -5 12 -6 }}
| {{Monzo| -5 12 -6 }}
|-
|-
| …
| …
| …
| …
| …
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| …
| …
|-
|-
| ∞
| ∞
| ∞
| [[Meantone]]
| [[Meantone]]
| [[81/80]]
| [[81/80]]
| {{monzo| -4 4 -1 }}
| {{Monzo| -4 4 -1 }}
|}
|}


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Temperaments with fractional ''n'' and ''m''
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Temperaments with fractional ''n'' and ''m''
|-
|-
! Temperament !! ''n'' !! ''m''
! ''n'' !! ''m'' !! ''k'' !! Temperament !! Comma
|-
|-
| [[Passion]] || 5/3 = 1.{{overline|6}} || 5/2 = 2.5
| 5/3 = 1.{{overline|6}} || 5/2 = 2.5 || 1/2 || [[Passion]] || {{monzo| 18 -4 -5 }}
|-
|-
| [[Quintaleap]] || 5/2 = 2.5 || 5/3 = 1.{{overline|6}}
| 5/2 = 2.5 || 5/3 = 1.{{overline|6}} || 4/3 || [[Quintaleap]] || {{monzo| 37 -16 -5 }}
|}
|}


== Python ==
== Python ==
Python is generated by a fifth, which is typically flatter than 7\12. The ~5/4 is reached by sixteen fifths octave-reduced, which is a double augmented second (C-Dx). It can be described as 12 & 91, and 103edo is a good tuning.  
Python is generated by a fifth, which is typically flatter than 7\12. The ~5/4 is reached by +16 fifths octave reduced, which is a double-augmented second (C–Dx). It can be described as {{nowrap| 12 & 91 }}, and [[103edo]] is a good tuning. It corresponds to {{nowrap| ''m'' {{=}} -1 }} and {{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 1/2 }}.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5


[[Comma list]]: {{monzo| -23 16 -1 }} = 43046721/41943040
[[Comma list]]: 43046721/41943040


{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 -23 | 0 1 16 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 -23 | 0 1 16 }}
: Mapping generators: ~2, ~3
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.8769{{c}}, ~3/2 = 699.5409{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.876 -1.537 +0.203 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 699.0789{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -2.876 -1.051 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, …, 79, 91, 103, 218b }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 6.92
== Gracecordial (5-limit) ==
: ''For extensions, see [[Marvel temperaments #Gracecordial]].''
The 5-limit version of gracecordial is generated by a fifth, which is typically sharp of 7\12 but flat of just. The ~5/4 is reached by -20 fifths octave reduced, which is a triple-diminished fifth (C–Gbbb). It can be described as {{nowrap| 12 & 125 }}, and [[137edo]] is a good tuning. It corresponds to {{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} -1 }} and {{nowrap| ''m'' {{=}} 1/2 }}.
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5
[[Comma list]]: 17433922005/17179869184
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 34 | 0 1 -20 }}
: Mapping generators: ~2, ~3
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.3986{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.9665{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.399 -0.590 -0.064 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 700.7202{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -1.235 -0.718 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 113, 125, 137, 1221bbcc }}
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 7.20
== Biscordial ==
Named by [[Xenllium]] in 2026, biscordial has a period of half-octave, and tempers out the biscordial comma, {{monzo| -49 28 2 }}. The ~5/4 is reached by 17 periods minus 14 fifths. It corresponds to {{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} -2 }}.
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5


: mapping generators: ~2, ~3
[[Comma list]]: 571919811374025/562949953421312


{{Multival|legend=1| 1 16 23 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 49 | 0 1 -14 }}
: Mapping generators: ~23914845/16777216, ~3


[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 699.030
* [[WE]]: ~23914845/16777216 = 600.153{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.211{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~23914845/16777216 = 600.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.019{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, , 79, 91, 103 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 166, 178, 190, 392, 582 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.295079
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 15.7


== Sextile ==
== Triscordial ==
{{See also| Landscape microtemperaments #Sextile }}
Named by [[Xenllium]] in 2026, triscordial has a period of 1/3-octave, and tempers out the triscordial comma, {{monzo| -64 36 3 }}. The ~5/4 is reached by 22 periods minus 12 fifths. It corresponds to {{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} -3 }}.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5
 
[[Comma list]]: {{Monzo| -64 36 3 }}
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 3 0 64 | 0 1 -12 }}
 
: Mapping generators: ~2657205/2097152, ~3
 
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2657205/2097152 = 400.084{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.343{{c}}
* [[CWE]]: ~2657205/2097152 = 400.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 701.182{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 231, 243, 255, 498, 753 }}
 
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 28.4
 
== Sextile (5-limit) ==
{{See also| Garischismic clan #Sextile }}
 
The 5-limit version of sextile reaches the [[interval class]] of [[5/1|5]] by −6 [[3/2|perfect fifths]] (i.e. a diminished fifth) minus a period of 1/6-octave. It corresponds to {{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 6 }}, meaning the Pythagorean comma is equated with a stack of six schismas.


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5
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{{Mapping|legend=1| 6 0 71 | 0 1 -6 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 6 0 71 | 0 1 -6 }}]
: Mapping generators: ~4096/3645, ~3
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~4096/3645 = 199.9836{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.1782{{c}} (~4428675/4194304 = 97.7564{{c}})
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.098 +0.125 +0.045 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~4096/3645 = 200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 702.2434{{c}} (~4428675/4194304 = 97.7566{{c}})
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.288 +0.226 }}


: mapping generators: ~4096/3645, ~3
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, …, 222, 234, 246, 258, 270, 1068, 1338, 1608, 1878, 4026bc }}
 
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 13.0
 
== Wronecki ==
Wronecki equates a stack of six ~[[10/9]]'s with the octave. It reaches the interval class of 5 by +2 [[3/2|perfect fifths]] (i.e. a major second) plus a period of 1/6-octave. It corresponds to {{nowrap| ''m'' {{=}} 6 }}, meaning the Pythagorean comma is equated with a stack of six syntonic commas.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5
 
[[Comma list]]: 531441/500000
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 6 0 -5 | 0 1 2 }}
 
: Mapping generators: ~10/9, ~3


[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[POTE]]: ~4096/3645 = 1\6, ~3/2 = 702.2356
* [[WE]]: ~10/9 = 200.1488{{c}}, ~3/2 = 695.5574{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.893 -5.505 +5.843 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~10/9 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 695.6109{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -6.344 +4.908 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 6 -36 -77 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, 66b, 78b, 90b, 102b }}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, …, 222, 234, 246, 258, 270, 1068, 1338, 1608, 1878, 4026bc }}


[[Badness]]: 0.555423
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 8.02


== Heptacot ==
== Heptacot (5-limit) ==
: ''For extensions, see [[Garischismic clan #Heptacot]].''


Heptacot tempers out the [[heptacot comma]] and divides the fifth into seven equal parts, the most notable example being [[12edo]] (7\12).
The 5-limit version of heptacot tempers out the [[heptacot comma]] and divides the [[3/2|perfect fifth]] into seven equal parts, the most notable example being [[12edo]] (7\12). It corresponds to {{nowrap| ''n'' {{=}} 7 }}, meaning the Pythagorean comma is equated with a stack of seven schismas. It was named by [[Tristan Bay]] in 2024, for it splits the perfect fifth into seven.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5
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[[Comma list]]: {{monzo| 86 -44 -7 }}
[[Comma list]]: {{monzo| 86 -44 -7 }}


{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 6 | 0 7 -44 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 1 6 | 0 7 -44 }}


[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[CTE]]: 2 = 1\1, ~{{monzo| -37 19 3 }} = 100.309
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.9328{{c}}, ~{{monzo| -37 19 3 }} = 100.3012{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.067 +0.086 +0.029 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~{{monzo| -37 19 3 }} = 100.3076{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +0.198 +0.153 }}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, …, 287, 299, 311, 323, 981, 1304, 5539bc, 6843bbcc }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 12, …, 287, 299, 311, 323, 981, 1304, 5539bc, 6843bbcc }}


[[Badness]] (Dirichlet): 16.019
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 16.0


[[Category:12edo]]
[[Category:12edo]]
[[Category:Equivalence continua]]
[[Category:Equivalence continua]]