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::::: Here's a clip showing all the progressions, twice for each EDO! https://clyp.it/yaojbf2d

::::: On extra chords, I guess maybe try any kind of subminor or supermajor chords (or anything with neo-gothic intervals, those are extra cool). Can't wait to hear your piece! --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 00:07, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Hey Sam, it's been a while since we've talked. I wanted to let you know that the song I've talked about in this section is almost done now. I only have a few sections left to go, and yes, I've gotten through the sections with 159edo-based retemperings of 12edo, 14edo, 17edo, 19edo, 22edo, 24edo, 27edo, 31edo, 35edo and 41edo. I only have the 53edo section and the last full 159edo section left to do. I hope the wait for "Space Tour" will prove to be worth it. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 23:28, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey, Sam, just letting you know that I've finally finished the song- "[[:File:Space_Tour.mp3|Space Tour]]", and it's now available on my user page. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 19:14, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

: Sorry for not talking for so long, but that sounds amazing! I don't know how, but you managed to make Musescore soundfonts sound cool! --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 16:26, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

:: I just used Musescore 3. That version has better soundfonts. Tuning each note was painstaking work though... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 23:15, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

:: Also, I'm glad you liked the song, and I understand if you didn't talk for so long because you were busy- I get it. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 23:26, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

== Notation system for 159edo ==

Hey Sam, I'm trying to figure out what to do in light of the fact that [[33/32]] is the simplest quartertone we have and thus the best JI candidate for the interval of "demisharp" or "demiflat", yet, when the [[243/242|rastma]] is not tempered out, a stack of two of them falls short of the [[2187/2048|apotome]]- the traditional interval used to indicate a Pythagorean chromatic semitone. Is it me or is the 5-limit case of a stack of [[25/24]] chormatic semitones falling short of a [[9/8]] whole tone actually a good parallel? For the record, 159edo is one of those EDOs where the rastma is not tempered out... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 23:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

: I guess that'd be good for a parallel, yeah. --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 12:41, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

:: Hmm... Okay, so, as per the title of this section, I'm trying to develop a [[159edo_notation|notation system for 159edo]], and according to Kite, the fact that two [[33/32]] fall short of an apotome makes the idea of using mainstream quartertone accidentals for [[33/32]] counterintuitive, and yet, [[33/32]] is the simplest quartertone we have and thus the best JI candidate for the interval of "demisharp" or "demiflat", as I mentioned. I'm trying to find a way to make things work... I can't pretend the rastma will be tempered out if it isn't... so, how do I make things more intuitive? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 13:57, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

::: You could have where a line strikes through the flat & have the lines layer for every 33/32 thing. --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 01:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

:::: I have to admit that one of my concerns is that if I don't use some variation of the mainstream quartertone accidentals for 33/32, then the 159-notation system won't be as accessible to microtonalists who got their start with [[24edo]] like me. Hmm... what if I set the two broad cross strokes of the demisharp accidental closer together than those of the sharp accidental while keeping the same traditional "demiflat" accidental? Of course, I'd have to do the same thing with the "sesquisharp" accidental and the "sesquiflat" accidental as those modify the base tone by an interval consisting of an apotome and a 33/32 quartertone... Does that sound like a good idea? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 05:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

:::: As a complement to this, I could also make a second set of quartertone accidentals based on the original quartertone accidentals as well, and the second "demisharp" and "sesquisharp" accidentals could have the two broad cross strokes set further apart than those of the sharp accidental, while the corresponding "demiflat" and "sesquiflat" accidentals see a stroke on their stems. The two "demisharp" accidentals and the two "sesquisharp" accidentals could thus be distinguished as "narrow" versus "wide" if the design is done right, with the "wide demisharp" and "wide sesquisharp" accidentals modify the base tone by an interval consisting of a 33/32 quartertone and a rastma... Is this also a good idea? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 05:14, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

::::: Yeah, that sounds like a good idea so far. I'm probably going to have to make a piece with 159EDO once the notation gets finalized... --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 15:06, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

:::::: Well, we need Xenwolf's help redesigning the glyphs though, so let's carry this conversation to [[Talk:159edo_notation#Dart_symbol(s)|the relevant thread]] on the 159edo Notation talk page. Oh, and what program do you use to make microtonal music? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 18:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

::::::: I mainly use Musescore, but I also have Mus2 for more microtonal stuff. --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 20:11, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

:::::::: Nice! I actually have MuseScore, MuseScore 2, and MuseScore 3, and I have Audacity to tie things together if I have to use multiple programs. Anyway, let's move this conversation over to the 159edo Notation talk page, shall we? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 21:09, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

== Another Comma ==

Hey Sam, I already asked Xenwolf about this, but I figure it would be a good idea to get another opinion on this. Basically, I've found this unnoticeable comma- 1771561/1769472- that marks the difference between three 128/121 semitones and one 32/27 minor third, and I want to name it. Since the 3-limit and the 11-limit are both major navigational primes, and tempering out 1771561/1769472 leads to the joining of these primes limits, and, since "nexus" means "a connection or series of connections linking two or more things", which describes exactly what happens when 1771561/1769472 is tempered out, I figured that 1771561/1769472 could be call the "nexusma" or even the "nexus comma"... Is this a good name or do I need a better name? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 17:15, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

: You can try calling it a nexusima or a nexuma, as a couple of options. --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 18:03, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

:: Okay, [[nexuma|the article]] has been written. What do you think? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 19:10, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

::: Looks good! --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 19:38, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

:::: Thanks! My main concern at this point is the link to my own corner of the wiki in which I demonstrate the 11-limit's significance. I don't want that link to remain if the theory on that particular portion of the linked page doesn't make musical sense... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 19:45, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

== The Foundations for My Music System ==

Hey Sam, remember how we talked a little bit about my ideas for stuff on my main talk page when I first came here? Well, I'm starting to pull the various pieces of my music theory together, and I'd like to know what you think of [[User:Aura/Aura's Ideas on Tonality|what I have so far]]... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 05:39, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

== Harmonize categories of interval pages ==

Hi CritDeathX, we are interested in your opinion about [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Things to do #Categories of interval pages|Categories of interval pages]], thanks in advance for taking the time. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 21:19, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

== My First Microtonal Piece ==

Hey Sam, have you've ever heard "[[:File:Folly of a Drunk.mp3|Folly of a Drunk]]" before? This was my first microtonal piece- it got its start in 2014. Others seem to like this piece also. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 17:08, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

: Its a pretty good piece! Quick tip for sheet music: make sure to hide the staffs that you aren't using on whatever page. Musescore should have that option somewhere in the Style section. --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 21:53, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

:: Actually, master scores like the one you're looking at don't hide staves like this- at least not the ones I've seen. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 05:09, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

::: Ah, okay, makes sense. --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 18:08, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

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 ::::: Here's a clip showing all the progressions, twice for each EDO! https://clyp.it/yaojbf2d
 ::::: On extra chords, I guess maybe try any kind of subminor or supermajor chords (or anything with neo-gothic intervals, those are extra cool). Can't wait to hear your piece! --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 00:07, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
+Hey Sam, it's been a while since we've talked.  I wanted to let you know that the song I've talked about in this section is almost done now.  I only have a few sections left to go, and yes, I've gotten through the sections with 159edo-based retemperings of 12edo, 14edo, 17edo, 19edo, 22edo, 24edo, 27edo, 31edo, 35edo and 41edo.  I only have the 53edo section and the last full 159edo section left to do.  I hope the wait for "Space Tour" will prove to be worth it. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 23:28, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
+Hey, Sam, just letting you know that I've finally finished the song- "[[:File:Space_Tour.mp3|Space Tour]]", and it's now available on my user page. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 19:14, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
+: Sorry for not talking for so long, but that sounds amazing! I don't know how, but you managed to make Musescore soundfonts sound cool! --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 16:26, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
+:: I just used Musescore 3.  That version has better soundfonts.  Tuning each note was painstaking work though... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 23:15, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
+:: Also, I'm glad you liked the song, and I understand if you didn't talk for so long because you were busy- I get it. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 23:26, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
+== Notation system for 159edo ==
+Hey Sam, I'm trying to figure out what to do in light of the fact that [[33/32]] is the simplest quartertone we have and thus the best JI candidate for the interval of "demisharp" or "demiflat", yet, when the [[243/242|rastma]] is not tempered out, a stack of two of them falls short of the [[2187/2048|apotome]]- the traditional interval used to indicate a Pythagorean chromatic semitone.  Is it me or is the 5-limit case of a stack of [[25/24]] chormatic semitones falling short of a [[9/8]] whole tone actually a good parallel?  For the record, 159edo is one of those EDOs where the rastma is not tempered out... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 23:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
+: I guess that'd be good for a parallel, yeah. --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 12:41, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
+:: Hmm... Okay, so, as per the title of this section, I'm trying to develop a [[159edo_notation|notation system for 159edo]], and according to Kite, the fact that two [[33/32]] fall short of an apotome makes the idea of using mainstream quartertone accidentals for [[33/32]] counterintuitive, and yet, [[33/32]] is the simplest quartertone we have and thus the best JI candidate for the interval of "demisharp" or "demiflat", as I mentioned.  I'm trying to find a way to make things work...  I can't pretend the rastma will be tempered out if it isn't... so, how do I make things more intuitive? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 13:57, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
+::: You could have where a line strikes through the flat & have the lines layer for every 33/32 thing. --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 01:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
+:::: I have to admit that one of my concerns is that if I don't use some variation of the mainstream quartertone accidentals for 33/32, then the 159-notation system won't be as accessible to microtonalists who got their start with [[24edo]] like me.  Hmm... what if I set the two broad cross strokes of the demisharp accidental closer together than those of the sharp accidental while keeping the same traditional "demiflat" accidental?  Of course, I'd have to do the same thing with the "sesquisharp" accidental and the "sesquiflat" accidental as those modify the base tone by an interval consisting of an apotome and a 33/32 quartertone...  Does that sound like a good idea? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 05:02, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
+:::: As a complement to this, I could also make a second set of quartertone accidentals based on the original quartertone accidentals as well, and the second "demisharp" and "sesquisharp" accidentals could have the two broad cross strokes set further apart than those of the sharp accidental, while the corresponding "demiflat" and "sesquiflat" accidentals see a stroke on their stems.  The two "demisharp" accidentals and the two "sesquisharp" accidentals could thus be distinguished as "narrow" versus "wide" if the design is done right, with the "wide demisharp" and "wide sesquisharp" accidentals modify the base tone by an interval consisting of a 33/32 quartertone and a rastma...  Is this also a good idea? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 05:14, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
+::::: Yeah, that sounds like a good idea so far. I'm probably going to have to make a piece with 159EDO once the notation gets finalized... --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 15:06, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
+:::::: Well, we need Xenwolf's help redesigning the glyphs though, so let's carry this conversation to [[Talk:159edo_notation#Dart_symbol(s)|the relevant thread]] on the 159edo Notation talk page.  Oh, and what program do you use to make microtonal music? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 18:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
+::::::: I mainly use Musescore, but I also have Mus2 for more microtonal stuff. --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 20:11, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::: Nice!  I actually have MuseScore, MuseScore 2, and MuseScore 3, and I have Audacity to tie things together if I have to use multiple programs.  Anyway, let's move this conversation over to the 159edo Notation talk page, shall we? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 21:09, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
+== Another Comma ==
+Hey Sam, I already asked Xenwolf about this, but I figure it would be a good idea to get another opinion on this.  Basically, I've found this unnoticeable comma- 1771561/1769472- that marks the difference between three 128/121 semitones and one 32/27 minor third, and I want to name it.  Since the 3-limit and the 11-limit are both major navigational primes, and tempering out 1771561/1769472 leads to the joining of these primes limits, and, since "nexus" means "a connection or series of connections linking two or more things", which describes exactly what happens when 1771561/1769472 is tempered out, I figured that 1771561/1769472 could be call the "nexusma" or even the "nexus comma"...  Is this a good name or do I need a better name? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 17:15, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
+: You can try calling it a nexusima or a nexuma, as a couple of options. --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 18:03, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
+:: Okay, [[nexuma|the article]] has been written.  What do you think? --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 19:10, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
+::: Looks good! --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 19:38, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
+:::: Thanks!  My main concern at this point is the link to my own corner of the wiki in which I demonstrate the 11-limit's significance.  I don't want that link to remain if the theory on that particular portion of the linked page doesn't make musical sense... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 19:45, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
+== The Foundations for My Music System ==
+Hey Sam, remember how we talked a little bit about my ideas for stuff on my main talk page when I first came here?  Well, I'm starting to pull the various pieces of my music theory together, and I'd like to know what you think of [[User:Aura/Aura's Ideas on Tonality|what I have so far]]... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 05:39, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
+== Harmonize categories of interval pages ==
+Hi CritDeathX, we are interested in your opinion about [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Things to do #Categories of interval pages|Categories of interval pages]], thanks in advance for taking the time. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 21:19, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
+== My First Microtonal Piece ==
+Hey Sam, have you've ever heard "[[:File:Folly of a Drunk.mp3|Folly of a Drunk]]" before?  This was my first microtonal piece- it got its start in 2014.  Others seem to like this piece also. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 17:08, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
+: Its a pretty good piece! Quick tip for sheet music: make sure to hide the staffs that you aren't using on whatever page. Musescore should have that option somewhere in the Style section. --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 21:53, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
+:: Actually, master scores like the one you're looking at don't hide staves like this- at least not the ones I've seen. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 05:09, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
+::: Ah, okay, makes sense. --[[User:CritDeathX|CritDeathX]] ([[User talk:CritDeathX|talk]]) 18:08, 11 December 2020 (UTC)