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; Garischisma – garyschismic (full 7-limit temp), gary comma – gary (no-5 7-limit temp)

~~: [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 10:07, 16 August 2026 (UTC)~~

: --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 13:07, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

; Comments

: I'd like to vote for whichever name is behind by more than 1 vote, to discourage arbitrary decisions based on extremely small margins. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 13:19, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

: Septischisma/septischismic should be the main name, but garischisma/mic should be a co-official name instead of a deprecated name. [[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]] 15:01, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

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Closing. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 02:06, 27 August 2026 (UTC)

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: Should we make garischisma a co-official name or should it be deprecated? [[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]] 16:42, 27 August 2026 (UTC)

:: Is there a reason to dual-name this? Like references or existing music written in it? If not, I don't see why we can't interpret the result at face value. There's not many votes cuz not many ppl care. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 06:28, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

::: My main reason is that barely anybody voiced their opinions here, and because of that I don't see it as representative of the community as a whole, so for now I do not support deprecating garischisma/mic. [[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]] 14:16, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

: I'd like to note generally that I'm against renames if there isn't actually a reason for the rename as per [[Temperament naming#Contemporary rules]], as the names only serve to be convenient shorthands for referring to mappings ultimately. If you decide to keep the new name, can we rename [[Fokkertone]] to smth else? (It was formerly called tridecimal meantone, but I do agree it's not the canonical extension of undecimal meantone, but I'm gonna be honest and say I don't like using this name aesthetically, and this seems (in a sense) to be an aesthetical rename too so...) --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 14:14, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

:: I'll cite the following rule for the rename of this comma, in which regard the new name demonstrates clear improvement:

:: > The [new] name has reasoning behind it that identifies it as appropriate at least insofar as it identifies the comma as unique within reason.

:: —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 14:47, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

If you wondering why I still disagree with the rename, it’s because it was done under the request of one user, and only 3 users actually voted in the community vote. [[Aberschismic]] was fine, because that received near-universal community concensus, but this was done by the request of just a few people. [[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]] 21:43, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

: I do actually like the name if I'm being honest but I share the same concern. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 23:41, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

: I think it'd be fairer if you said this with evidence that the absent extra voices actually existed. At this point you're just hypothesising. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 08:23, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

:: Fair, but often when I've tried to bring up these kinds of concerns in the past I've got the impression that for stuff like this ppl add their 2 cents and don't actually feel strongly on doing anything (though notably this has been true more generally too in my experience (as in regardless of the topic), which I find very frustrating, which is also why I've been trying to be clearer on where I disagree with your changes). --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 20:06, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

: Why are we even debating this anymore? Just mark garischisma/mic as an alternative name and wait a year or so. If the community sticks to septischisma/mic then it’s safe to deprecate garischisma/mic and make septischisma/mic the sole official name. [[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]] 11:50, 19 September 2026 (UTC)

:: The poll is about exactly the sole official name, so your suggestion directly challenges it, which brings us back to everything said before, that it's best of you to provide some solid basis for your argument. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 14:54, 19 September 2026 (UTC)

::: The poll did no help, because it was started '''after''' the command and temp were renamed, so I don’t think it’s an accurate reflection. My concern isn’t the results of the poll, but the fact that it was hastily renamed unlike aberschismic. [[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]] 21:12, 19 September 2026 (UTC)

:::: Wild guesses on the poll's accuracy will not help. In case it's unclear, the poll was closed after 7 days since the 3rd vote, which is how we always did it. There's no precedent of a necessary further delay. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 03:06, 20 September 2026 (UTC)

== Bad process ==

By the way, for the record, I do not disagree with the new name, but rather the process used to decide that new name. [[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]] 19:44, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

: '''The poll is official. Please do not move it.''' Feel free to submit an alternative process if you can't agree on this one. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 21:15, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

== Protect ==

Can we protect this page until additional discussion about this temp family other than its name warrants? At this point further discussion is like beating a dead horse. With enough time everyone will use ''septischismic'' and ''garischismic'' will be a distant memory. [[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]] 19:36, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

: Discussion about this temp family other than its name did happen, tho not on the wiki. During the last couple of days, Eufalesio and I were talking about some of the add-17 add-29 and add-31 extensions and how each of them maps to an isomorphic keyboard. You're welcome to join a Discord server or two to find out. Protection will hinder development around this temp family so I'm not gonna do it. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 21:15, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

== Rename androschismic? ==

The old names of some of the temps in this family listed followed a clear corresponsence with temps in the garibaldi family, specifically:

''garischismic'' (former name of septischismic) ~ [[garibaldi]]

''cassaschismic'' (now canonical extension of septischismic) ~ [[cassandra]]

''androschismic'' (not renamed) ~ [[andromeda]]

So, should we rename androschismic to disassociate with andromeda to maintain consistency, or perhaps another reason? [[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]] 22:04, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

: See the reason for the rename I cited in the reply to Godtone. It's not about disassociation. I think we've agreed earlier that the association with garibaldi isn't a problem to begin with. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 07:46, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

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 ; Garischisma – garyschismic (full 7-limit temp), gary comma – gary (no-5 7-limit temp)
-: [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 10:07, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
 : --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 13:07, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
+; Comments
+: I'd like to vote for whichever name is behind by more than 1 vote, to discourage arbitrary decisions based on extremely small margins. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 13:19, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
+: Septischisma/septischismic should be the main name, but garischisma/mic should be a co-official name instead of a deprecated name. <span style="display: inline-block;transform: rotate(15deg);background:#E1EBF2;font-family:Verdana;text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008;">[[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]]</span> 15:01, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
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+Closing. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 02:06, 27 August 2026 (UTC)
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+: Should we make garischisma a co-official name or should it be deprecated? <span style="display: inline-block;transform: rotate(15deg);background:#E1EBF2;font-family:Verdana;text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008;">[[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]]</span> 16:42, 27 August 2026 (UTC)
+:: Is there a reason to dual-name this? Like references or existing music written in it? If not, I don't see why we can't interpret the result at face value. There's not many votes cuz not many ppl care. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 06:28, 28 August 2026 (UTC)
+::: My main reason is that barely anybody voiced their opinions here, and because of that I don't see it as representative of the community as a whole, so for now I do not support deprecating garischisma/mic. <span style="display: inline-block;transform: rotate(15deg);background:#E1EBF2;font-family:Verdana;text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008;">[[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]]</span> 14:16, 28 August 2026 (UTC)
+: I'd like to note generally that I'm against renames if there isn't actually a reason for the rename as per [[Temperament naming#Contemporary rules]], as the names only serve to be convenient shorthands for referring to mappings ultimately. If you decide to keep the new name, can we rename [[Fokkertone]] to smth else? (It was formerly called tridecimal meantone, but I do agree it's not the canonical extension of undecimal meantone, but I'm gonna be honest and say I don't like using this name aesthetically, and this seems (in a sense) to be an aesthetical rename too so...) --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 14:14, 29 August 2026 (UTC)
+:: I'll cite the following rule for the rename of this comma, in which regard the new name demonstrates clear improvement:
+:: > The [new] name has reasoning behind it that identifies it as appropriate at least insofar as it identifies the comma as unique within reason.
+:: —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 14:47, 29 August 2026 (UTC)
+If you wondering why I still disagree with the rename, it’s because it was done under the request of one user, and only 3 users actually voted in the community vote. [[Aberschismic]] was fine, because that received near-universal community concensus, but this was done by the request of just a few people. <span style="display: inline-block;transform: rotate(15deg);background:#E1EBF2;font-family:Verdana;text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008;">[[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]]</span> 21:43, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
+: I do actually like the name if I'm being honest but I share the same concern. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 23:41, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
+: I think it'd be fairer if you said this with evidence that the absent extra voices actually existed. At this point you're just hypothesising. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 08:23, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
+:: Fair, but often when I've tried to bring up these kinds of concerns in the past I've got the impression that for stuff like this ppl add their 2 cents and don't actually feel strongly on doing anything (though notably this has been true more generally too in my experience (as in regardless of the topic), which I find very frustrating, which is also why I've been trying to be clearer on where I disagree with your changes). --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 20:06, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
+: Why are we even debating this anymore? Just mark garischisma/mic as an alternative name and wait a year or so. If the community sticks to septischisma/mic then it’s safe to deprecate garischisma/mic and make septischisma/mic the sole official name. <span style="display: inline-block;transform: rotate(15deg);background:#E1EBF2;font-family:Verdana;text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008;">[[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]]</span> 11:50, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
+:: The poll is about exactly the sole official name, so your suggestion directly challenges it, which brings us back to everything said before, that it's best of you to provide some solid basis for your argument. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 14:54, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
+::: The poll did no help, because it was started '''after''' the command and temp were renamed, so I don’t think it’s an accurate reflection. My concern isn’t the results of the poll, but the fact that it was hastily renamed unlike aberschismic. <span style="display: inline-block;transform: rotate(15deg);background:#E1EBF2;font-family:Verdana;text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008;">[[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]]</span> 21:12, 19 September 2026 (UTC)
+:::: Wild guesses on the poll's accuracy will not help. In case it's unclear, the poll was closed after 7 days since the 3rd vote, which is how we always did it. There's no precedent of a necessary further delay. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 03:06, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
+== Bad process ==
+By the way, for the record, I do not disagree with the new name, but rather the process used to decide that new name. <span style="display: inline-block;transform: rotate(15deg);background:#E1EBF2;font-family:Verdana;text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008;">[[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]]</span> 19:44, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
+: '''The poll is official. Please do not move it.''' Feel free to submit an alternative process if you can't agree on this one. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 21:15, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
+== Protect ==
+Can we protect this page until additional discussion about this temp family other than its name warrants? At this point further discussion is like beating a dead horse. With enough time everyone will use ''septischismic'' and ''garischismic'' will be a distant memory. <span style="display: inline-block;transform: rotate(15deg);background:#E1EBF2;font-family:Verdana;text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008;">[[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]]</span> 19:36, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
+: Discussion about this temp family other than its name did happen, tho not on the wiki. During the last couple of days, Eufalesio and I were talking about some of the add-17 add-29 and add-31 extensions and how each of them maps to an isomorphic keyboard. You're welcome to join a Discord server or two to find out. Protection will hinder development around this temp family so I'm not gonna do it. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 21:15, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
+== Rename androschismic? ==
+The old names of some of the temps in this family listed followed a clear corresponsence with temps in the garibaldi family, specifically:
+''garischismic'' (former name of septischismic) ~ [[garibaldi]]<br />
+''cassaschismic'' (now canonical extension of septischismic) ~ [[cassandra]]<br />
+''androschismic'' (not renamed) ~ [[andromeda]]
+So, should we rename androschismic to disassociate with andromeda to maintain consistency, or perhaps another reason? <span style="display: inline-block;transform: rotate(15deg);background:#E1EBF2;font-family:Verdana;text-shadow: 3px 3px 4px #0008;">[[User:Hotcrystal0|hotcrysta]][[User talk: Hotcrystal0|l0]]</span> 22:04, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
+: See the reason for the rename I cited in the reply to Godtone. It's not about disassociation. I think we've agreed earlier that the association with garibaldi isn't a problem to begin with. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 07:46, 23 September 2026 (UTC)