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The '''mavila family''' of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[135/128]], the mavila comma, also known as the major chroma or major limma. The [[5-limit]] temperament is [[mavila]], so named after the Chopi village where it was discovered, and is the base from which higher limit temperaments are derived. The generator for all of these is a very flat fifth, lying on the spectrum between [[7edo | {{Technical data page}} | ||
The '''mavila family''' of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[135/128]], the mavila comma, also known as the major chroma or major limma. The [[5-limit]] temperament is [[mavila]], so named after the Chopi village where it was discovered, and is the base from which higher limit temperaments are derived. The generator for all of these is a very flat fifth, lying on the spectrum between [[7edo]] and [[9edo]]. | |||
One of the most salient and characteristic features of mavila temperaments is that when you stack 4 of the tempered fifths you get to a minor third instead of the usual major third that you would get if the fifths were pure. This also means that the arrangement of small and large steps in a 7-note mavila scale is the inverse of a diatonic scale of 2 small steps and 5 large steps; mavila has 2 large steps and 5 small steps (see [[2L 5s]]). | One of the most salient and characteristic features of mavila temperaments is that when you stack 4 of the tempered fifths you get to a minor third instead of the usual major third that you would get if the fifths were pure. This also means that the arrangement of small and large steps in a 7-note mavila scale is the inverse of a diatonic scale of 2 small steps and 5 large steps; mavila has 2 large steps and 5 small steps (see [[2L 5s]]). | ||
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{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 7 | 0 1 -3 }} | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 7 | 0 1 -3 }} | ||
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3 | : mapping generators: ~2, ~3 | ||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1208.287{{c}}, ~3/2 = 684.501{{c}} | ||
* [[ | : [[error map]]: {{val| +8.287 -9.167 -6.667 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 679.111{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -22.844 -23.648 }} | |||
[[Tuning ranges]]: | [[Tuning ranges]]: | ||
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [600.000, 685.714] (1\2 to 4\7) | * [[5-odd-limit]] [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [600.000, 685.714] (1\2 to 4\7) | ||
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [671.229, 701.955] (1/3-comma to Pyth.) | * 5-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [671.229, 701.955] (1/3-comma to Pyth.) | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 9, 16, 23, 30bc }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 9, 16, 23, 30bc }} | ||
[[Badness]]: 0. | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.928 | ||
=== Overview to extensions === | === Overview to extensions === | ||
The second comma of the [[ | ==== 7-limit extensions ==== | ||
The second comma of the [[normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at. That means [[36/35]] for armodue, [[126/125]] for mavling, [[21/20]] for pelogic, [[875/864]] for hornbostel, [[49/48]] for superpelog, [[50/49]] for bipelog, and [[1323/1250]] for mohavila. | |||
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include | Temperaments discussed elsewhere include | ||
* ''[[Medusa]]'' (+15/14) → [[Very low accuracy temperaments #Medusa|Very low accuracy temperaments]] | * ''[[Medusa]]'' (+15/14) → [[Very low accuracy temperaments #Medusa|Very low accuracy temperaments]] | ||
* ''[[Superpelog]]'' (+49/48) → [[ | * ''[[Wallaby]]'' (+28/27) → [[Very low accuracy temperaments #Wallaby|Very low accuracy temperaments]] | ||
* ''[[Superpelog]]'' (+49/48) → [[Semaphoresmic clan #Superpelog|Semaphoresmic clan]] | |||
* ''[[Clyndro]]'' (+360/343) → [[Gamelismic clan #Clyndro|Gamelismic clan]] | * ''[[Clyndro]]'' (+360/343) → [[Gamelismic clan #Clyndro|Gamelismic clan]] | ||
* ''[[Jamesbond]]'' (+25/24) → [[ | * ''[[Jamesbond]]'' (+25/24) → [[Whitewood family #Jamesbond|Whitewood family]] | ||
Considered below are mavling, pelogic, armodue, hornbostel, bipelog, and mohavila. | |||
==== Subgroup extensions ==== | |||
Mavila naturally extends to the 2.3.5.11 subgroup, with the generator standing in for ~16/11 and ~22/15, as is given right below. | |||
=== 2.3.5.11 subgroup === | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.11 | |||
Comma list: 33/32, 45/44 | |||
: mapping | Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 7 5 | 0 1 -3 -1 }} | ||
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 7 0 5 | 0 1 -3 0 -1 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1208.454{{c}}, ~3/2 = 684.577{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 678.978{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 16, 23e, 30bce }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 0.424 | |||
== | == Armodue == | ||
Armodue, also known as '''hexadecimal''', is the main 7-limit extension of mavila, and also the main temperament of [[Armodue theory]]. It tempers out 36/35, and can be described as the {{nowrap| 7 & 9 }} temperament. 7/4 is mapped to the minor seventh of the antidiatonic scale, where we will find 9/5 in the 5-limit. [[16edo]] shows us an obvious tuning. | |||
The name ''armodue'' has been established in 2011 thanks to [[Mike Battaglia]]<ref name="mike's cleanup">[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_101194.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Higher-limit mavila extension spring cleaning'']</ref>. The alternative name ''hexadecimal'' was attested as early as 2004<ref name="big temp list">[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_8809.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''114 7-limit temperaments'']</ref><ref name="pelogic & hex">[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_9670.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Pelogic and "hexidecimal"'']</ref>. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | |||
: | [[Comma list]]: 36/35, 135/128 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 7 -5 | 0 1 -3 5 }} | |||
Optimal | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1204.996{{c}}, ~3/2 = 676.803{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +4.996 -20.157 +3.261 +15.187 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 674.220{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -27.735 -8.974 +2.275 }} | |||
[[Tuning ranges]]: | |||
* [[7-odd-limit]] [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [666.667, 675.000] (5\9 to 9\16) | |||
* 7-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [666.718, 701.955] | |||
= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 9, 16 }} | ||
[[ | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.24 | ||
=== 11-limit === | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 33/32, 36/35, 45/44 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 7 -5 5 | 0 1 -3 5 -1 }} | |||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1205.460{{c}}, ~3/2 = 676.873{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 673.952{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 9, 16 }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 0.900 | |||
== | === 13-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 27/26, 33/32, 36/35, 45/44 | |||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 7 -5 5 -1 | 0 1 -3 5 -1 3 }} | |||
{{ | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~2 = 1205.396{{c}}, ~3/2 = 676.792{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 673.988{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 9, 16 }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 0.800 | |||
==== Armodog ==== | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.19 | |||
Comma list: 27/26, 33/32, 36/35, 39/38, 45/44 | |||
{{ | Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 7 -5 5 -1 -2 | 0 1 -3 5 -1 3 4 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | |||
* WE: ~2 = 1204.838{{c}}, ~3/2 = 675.997{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 673.540{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 9, 16, 25bf }} | |||
Badness (Sintel): 0.830 | |||
== Mavling == | |||
Mavling tempers out 126/125 and may be described as the {{nowrap| 7d & 16 }} temperament. The 7/4 is mapped to the augmented sixth of the antidiatonic scale. | |||
This temperament was formerly known as ''septimal mavila'', but decanonicalized in 2025 per community consensus. | |||
This temperament | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
[[Comma list]]: | [[Comma list]]: 126/125, 135/128 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 7 | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 7 20 | 0 1 -3 -11 }} | ||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1208.187{{c}}, ~3/2 = 682.538{{c}} | ||
* [[ | : [[error map]]: {{val| +8.187 -11.230 -1.178 -3.057 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 677.350{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -24.605 -18.363 -19.672 }} | |||
[[Tuning ranges]]: | [[Tuning ranges]]: | ||
* 7-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [ | * [[7-odd-limit]] [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = [675.000, 678.261] (9\16 to 13\23) | ||
* 7-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [ | * 7-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [671.229, 701.955] | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 16, 23d }} | ||
[[Badness]]: | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.25 | ||
=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
Comma list: 33/32, | Comma list: 33/32, 45/44, 126/125 | ||
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 7 | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 7 20 5 | 0 1 -3 -11 -1 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1208.243{{c}}, ~3/2 = 682.582{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 677.434{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 16, 23de }} | |||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.39 | ||
=== | == Pelogic == | ||
''Pelogic'' (from the Indonesian word ''[[pelog]]'') should probably be pronounced /pɛˈlɒgɪk/ ''pell-LOG-ik''. This name dates back to as early as 2004<ref name="big temp list"/><ref name="pelogic & hex"/> and has been approved of by [[Mike Battaglia]] in 2011, reasoning that Pelog is supposed to be flatter than [[16edo|16-]] or [[23edo]], and this temperament, tempering out 21/20 and described as the {{nowrap| 7d & 9 }} temperament, tends towards such a tuning<ref name="mike's cleanup"/>. | |||
The 7/4 is mapped to the major sixth of the antidiatonic scale. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | |||
: | [[Comma list]]: 21/20, 135/128 | ||
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 7 9 | 0 1 -3 -4 }} | |||
Optimal | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1210.184{{c}}, ~3/2 = 678.563{{c}} | |||
: [[error map]]: {{val| +10.184 -13.208 +18.732 -32.160 }} | |||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 671.548{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -30.407 -0.957 -55.017 }} | |||
[[Tuning ranges]]: | |||
* [[7-odd-limit]] [[diamond monotone]]: ~3/2 = 666.667 (5\9) | |||
* 7-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~3/2 = [617.488, 701.955] | |||
= | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 9, 16d }} | ||
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.978 | |||
=== 11-limit === | |||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 21/20, 33/32, 45/44 | |||
: mapping | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 7 9 5 | 0 1 -3 -4 -1 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1209.379{{c}}, ~3/2 = 677.901{{c}} | ||
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 671.507{{c}} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 9, 16d }} | |||
Badness: 0. | Badness (Sintel): 0.752 | ||
== Hornbostel == | == Hornbostel == | ||
Hornbostel tempers out 729/700 and may be described as the {{nowrap| 7 & 23d }} temperament. The 7/4 is mapped to the diminished seventh of the antidiatonic scale. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 7 -16 | 0 1 -3 12 }} | {{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 7 -16 | 0 1 -3 12 }} | ||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1207.970{{c}}, ~3/2 = 683.457{{c}} | ||
* [[ | : [[error map]]: {{val| +7.970 -10.529 -4.805 +0.775 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 679.270{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -22.685 -24.124 -17.583 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 16d, 23d, 53bbccd }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 16d, 23d, 53bbccd }} | ||
[[Badness]]: | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 3.07 | ||
=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
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Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 7 -16 5 | 0 1 -3 12 -1 }} | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 7 -16 5 | 0 1 -3 12 -1 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1208.145{{c}}, ~3/2 = 683.517{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 679.150{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 16d, 23de, 53bbccdee }} | |||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 1.82 | ||
== Bipelog == | == Bipelog == | ||
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: mapping generators: ~7/5, ~3 | : mapping generators: ~7/5, ~3 | ||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~7/5 = 603.757{{c}}, ~3/2 = 685.461{{c}} | ||
* [[ | : [[error map]]: {{val| +7.514 -8.980 -12.641 +8.604 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~7/5 = 600.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 680.206{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -21.749 -26.932 -9.444 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 14c, 30bc, 44bccd }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 14c, 30bc, 44bccd }} | ||
[[Badness]]: | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.89 | ||
=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
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Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 14 15 10 | 0 1 -3 -3 -1 }} | Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 14 15 10 | 0 1 -3 -3 -1 }} | ||
: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* WE: ~7/5 = 603.958{{c}}, ~3/2 = 685.773{{c}} | |||
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 680.267{{c}} | |||
Optimal | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14c, 30bce, 44bccdee }} | ||
Badness (Sintel): 1.18 | |||
== Mohavila == | |||
Named by Mike Battaglia in 2012<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_104134.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Mohavila temperament'']</ref>, mohavila splits the mavila fifth in two. Unlike [[mohaha]], this generator is not used as an ~11/9. In fact, the prime 11 is the same as in mavila, so the ~11/9 is the major third, tempered together with ~5/4. The fifth is only split to derive septimal intervals. | |||
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | [[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7 | ||
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: mapping generators: ~2, ~25/21 | : mapping generators: ~2, ~25/21 | ||
[[Optimal tuning]]s: | [[Optimal tuning]]s: | ||
* [[ | * [[WE]]: ~2 = 1208.410{{c}}, ~25/21 = 340.025{{c}} | ||
* [[ | : [[error map]]: {{val| +8.410 -13.496 +7.177 -10.327 }} | ||
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~25/21 = 337.260{{c}} | |||
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -27.435 -9.872 -27.722 }} | |||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 25b, 32bd }} | {{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 25b, 32bd }} | ||
[[Badness]]: | [[Badness]] (Sintel): 5.63 | ||
=== 11-limit === | === 11-limit === | ||
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Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 4 7 4 | 0 2 -6 -15 -2 }} | Mapping: {{mapping| 1 1 4 7 4 | 0 2 -6 -15 -2 }} | ||
Optimal tunings: | Optimal tunings: | ||
* | * WE: ~2 = 1208.211{{c}}, ~25/21 = 339.943{{c}} | ||
* | * CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~25/21 = 337.286{{c}} | ||
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 25b, 32bde }} | |||
Badness: | Badness (Sintel): 3.04 | ||
== | == References == | ||
[[Category:Mavila family| ]] <!-- main article --> | |||
[[Category:Temperament families]] | [[Category:Temperament families]] | ||
[[Category: | [[Category:Catalogs of rank-2 temperaments]] | ||