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'''Parapyth''', also known as '''parapythagorean''', is the rank-3 [[temperament]] tempering out [[352/351]] and [[364/363]] in the 2.3.7.11.13 [[subgroup]].  
{{Infobox regtemp
| Title = Parapyth
| Subgroups = 2.3.7.11, 2.3.7.11.13
| Comma basis = [[896/891]] (2.3.7.11); <br>[[352/351]], [[364/363]] (2.3.7.11.13)
| Edo join 1 = 17 | Edo join 2 = 41 | Edo join 3 = 46
| Mapping = 1; 1 0 -4 -7; 0 1 1 1
| Generators = 3/2, 7/4
| Generators tuning = 703.8, 969.2
| Optimization method = CWE
| Odd limit 1 = 2.3.7.11 11 | Mistuning 1 = 3.23 | Complexity 1 = ?
| Odd limit 2 = 2.3.7.11.13 21 | Mistuning 2 = 3.28 | Complexity 2 = ?
}}
'''Parapyth''', also known as '''parapythagorean''', is the rank-3 [[temperament]] tempering out [[352/351]] and [[364/363]] in the [[2.3.7.11.13 subgroup]].  


Inspired by [[Secor29htt|George Secor's 29-tone high tolerance temperament]], parapyth was found by [[Margo Schulter]] in 2002, and it continued to be developed as part of her ''neoclassical tuning theory'' (NTT), although a [[regular temperament]] perspective is as viable.  
Inspired by [[Secor29htt|George Secor's 29-tone high tolerance temperament]], parapyth was found by [[Margo Schulter]] in 2002, and it continued to be developed as part of her ''neoclassical tuning theory'' (NTT), although a [[regular temperament]] perspective is as viable.  
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This temperament is now known as [[pepperoni]]. Parapyth encapsulates pepperoni and adds a {{nowrap| 28/27 ~ 33/32 }} spacer interval such that harmonics 7, 11, and 13 are all made available simply by using two chains of fifths.  
This temperament is now known as [[pepperoni]]. Parapyth encapsulates pepperoni and adds a {{nowrap| 28/27 ~ 33/32 }} spacer interval such that harmonics 7, 11, and 13 are all made available simply by using two chains of fifths.  


See [[Pentacircle clan#Parapyth]] for technical data.
See [[Pentacircle clan #Parapyth]] for technical data.


== Interval lattice ==
== Interval lattice ==
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If we instead mean "parapyth" to refer to [[etypyth]] – its most elegant extension to the no-5's 17-limit (so we ignore [[100/99|S10]] and [[121/120|S11]]) – then the minimal strict etypyth (a.k.a. [[etypyth|17-limit parapyth]]) is [[46edo]], although this requires accepting its [[21/17]] as standing in for ~[[16/13]] and ~[[26/21]], corresponding roughly to (the [[octave complement]] of) [[acoustic phi]] so that stacking this interval gives a ~17:21:26:32 chord. The benefit of taking this no-5's interpretation is you do not deal with any conceptual issues arising from an out-of-tune [[15/13]] in 46edo, but you could deal with this alternately by interpreting simply only in the [[13-odd-limit]] adding odds 17, 21 and 23, which highlights that a benefit of 46edo is a fairly accurate [[23/16]] in the usual parapyth mapping of a tritone (C–F♯), tempering out {{nowrap| ([[23/16]])/[[729/512|(9/8)<sup>3</sup>]] {{=}} [[736/729]] }}. Alternatively, if you want a more accurate [[9/7]], [[7/6]], [[13/11]], [[104edo]] is an excellent etypyth tuning. 104edo is a dual-5 system that supports both the [[sensamagic]] (104) and [[pele]] (104c) mappings of 5, so that the combined [[25/16]] is very accurate (tempered together with the 81/52 (C–vG♯), distinguished from [[11/7]] (C–A♭) and [[14/9]] (C–^G) simultaneously). Pele may be preferable as a default due to it observing [[100/99|S10]] and [[121/120|S11]]. Sensamagic has the capacity to observe them too, but in the specific case of 104edo it tempers out S10.
If we instead mean "parapyth" to refer to [[etypyth]] – its most elegant extension to the no-5's 17-limit (so we ignore [[100/99|S10]] and [[121/120|S11]]) – then the minimal strict etypyth (a.k.a. [[etypyth|17-limit parapyth]]) is [[46edo]], although this requires accepting its [[21/17]] as standing in for ~[[16/13]] and ~[[26/21]], corresponding roughly to (the [[octave complement]] of) [[acoustic phi]] so that stacking this interval gives a ~17:21:26:32 chord. The benefit of taking this no-5's interpretation is you do not deal with any conceptual issues arising from an out-of-tune [[15/13]] in 46edo, but you could deal with this alternately by interpreting simply only in the [[13-odd-limit]] adding odds 17, 21 and 23, which highlights that a benefit of 46edo is a fairly accurate [[23/16]] in the usual parapyth mapping of a tritone (C–F♯), tempering out {{nowrap| ([[23/16]])/[[729/512|(9/8)<sup>3</sup>]] {{=}} [[736/729]] }}. Alternatively, if you want a more accurate [[9/7]], [[7/6]], [[13/11]], [[104edo]] is an excellent etypyth tuning. 104edo is a dual-5 system that supports both the [[sensamagic]] (104) and [[pele]] (104c) mappings of 5, so that the combined [[25/16]] is very accurate (tempered together with the 81/52 (C–vG♯), distinguished from [[11/7]] (C–A♭) and [[14/9]] (C–^G) simultaneously). Pele may be preferable as a default due to it observing [[100/99|S10]] and [[121/120|S11]]. Sensamagic has the capacity to observe them too, but in the specific case of 104edo it tempers out S10.
=== Norm-based tunings ===
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 2.3.7.11-subgroup norm-based tunings
|-
! rowspan="2" |
! colspan="3" | Euclidean
|-
! Constrained
! Constrained & skewed
! Destretched
|-
! Tenney
| CTE: ~3/2 = 703.5763{{c}}, ~7/4 = 967.5543{{c}}
| CWE: ~3/2 = 703.7426{{c}}, ~7/4 = 969.0476{{c}}
| POTE: ~3/2 = 703.8345{{c}}, ~7/4 = 969.8722{{c}}
|}
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 2.3.7.11.13-subgroup norm-based tunings
|-
! rowspan="2" |
! colspan="3" | Euclidean
|-
! Constrained
! Constrained & skewed
! Destretched
|-
! Tenney
| CTE: ~3/2 = 703.7857{{c}}, ~7/4 = 967.6654{{c}}
| CWE: ~3/2 = 703.8328{{c}}, ~7/4 = 969.1612{{c}}
| POTE: ~3/2 = 703.8563{{c}}, ~7/4 = 969.9074{{c}}
|}
=== Target tunings ===
{| class="wikitable center-all left-3 mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | Odd-limit-based target tunings
! rowspan="2" | Target
! colspan="2" | Minimax
|-
! Generator
! Eigenmonzo basis
|-
| No-5 11-odd-limit
| ~3/2 = 703.5697{{c}}, ~7/4 = 968.8259{{c}}
| 2.7.11/9
|-
| No-5 13-odd-limit
| ~3/2 = 703.5968{{c}}, ~7/4 = 968.9885{{c}}
| 2.11/9.13/9
|}


== See also ==
== See also ==