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[[ | The '''3-limit''' consists of all [[just intonation]] intervals whose [[Ratio|numerators and denominators]] are both products of the primes 2 and 3. Some examples of 3-limit intervals are [[3/2]], [[4/3]], [[9/8]]. All 3-limit intervals can be written as <math>2^a \cdot 3^b</math>, where ''a'' and ''b'' can be any (positive, negative or zero) integer. When octave-reduced, if b is non-zero, a and b are opposite signs. In other words, one number in the ratio is a power of 2 and the other number is a power of 3. Confining intervals to the 3-limit is known as [[Pythagorean tuning]], and the Pythagorean tuning used in Europe during the Middle Ages is the seed out of which grew the common-practice tradition of Western music, as well as genres derived from it. The 3-limit can be considered a [[Rank-2 temperament|rank-2]] [[temperament]] which [[Tempering out|tempers out]] no [[comma]]s. | ||
== Terminology == | |||
A 3-limit interval is also known as a Pythagorean interval. Recently, composers [[Catherine Lamb]] and [[Marc Sabat]] have adopted ''tertial'' for intervals of [[harmonic class|HC3]]{{citation needed}}, not to be confused with ''tertian'' which is the adjective associated with the third [[5L 2s|diatonic]] degree. | |||
== Edo approximation == | |||
[[Edo]]s which do relatively well at approximating 3-limit intervals can be found as the denominators of the convergents and semiconvergents of the [[wikipedia: Continued fraction|continued fraction]] for the logarithm base 2 of 3. These are {{EDOs| 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 17, 29, 41, 53, 94, 147, 200, 253, 306, 359, 665, … }} ({{OEIS|A206788}}) | |||
Another approach is to find edos which have more accurate approximation to 3 than all smaller edos. This results in {{EDOs|1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 29, 41, 53, 200, 253, 306, 359, 665, 8286, 8951, 9616, 10281, 10946, 11611, 12276, 12941, 13606, 14271, 14936, 15601, 31867 }}, … ({{OEIS|A060528}}) | |||
A stricter approach is to find edos with an increasingly stronger [[consistent circle]] of 3/2. These are {{EDOs|1, 12, 53, 665, 190537, … }} (with strengths 1, 2, 3, 11, 28, … respectively) | |||
== Table of intervals == | |||
3-limit intervals up to [[odd-limit]] 19683: | 3-limit intervals up to [[odd-limit]] 19683: | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable center-1 right-3 center-6 center-7" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! colspan="2" | [[Kite's color notation|Color | ! [[Ratio]] | ||
! [[Monzo]] | |||
! Size ([[Cent|¢]]) | |||
! colspan="2" | | ! colspan="2" | [[Kite's color notation|Color Name]] | ||
! colspan="2" | Diatonic Category | |||
|- | |- | ||
| [[1/1]] | |||
| {{Monzo| 0 }} | |||
| 0.000 | |||
| w1 | | w1 | ||
| wa unison | | wa unison | ||
| | | P1 | ||
| C | | C | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[2187/2048]] | | [[2187/2048]] | ||
| {{Monzo| -11 7 }} | |||
| 113.685 | | 113.685 | ||
| | | Lw1 | ||
| lawa 1sn | |||
| A1 | |||
| C# | | C# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[256/243]] | | [[256/243]] | ||
| {{Monzo| 8 -5 }} | |||
| 90.225 | | 90.225 | ||
| | | sw2 | ||
| sawa 2nd | |||
| m2 | |||
| Db | | Db | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[9/8]] | |||
| {{Monzo| -3 2 }} | |||
| 203.910 | |||
| w2 | | w2 | ||
| wa 2nd | | wa 2nd | ||
| | | M2 | ||
| D | | D | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[19683/16384]] | | [[19683/16384]] | ||
| {{Monzo| -14 9 }} | |||
| 317.595 | | 317.595 | ||
| | | Lw2 | ||
| lawa 2nd | |||
| A2 | |||
| D# | | D# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[32/27]] | |||
| {{Monzo| 5 -3 }} | |||
| 294.135 | |||
| w3 | | w3 | ||
| wa 3rd | | wa 3rd | ||
| | | m3 | ||
| Eb | | Eb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[81/64]] | | [[81/64]] | ||
| {{Monzo| -6 4 }} | |||
| 407.820 | | 407.820 | ||
| | | Lw3 | ||
| lawa 3rd | |||
| M3 | |||
| E | | E | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[8192/6561]] | | [[8192/6561]] | ||
| {{Monzo| 13 -8 }} | |||
| 384.360 | | 384.360 | ||
| | | sw4 | ||
| sawa 4th | |||
| d4 | |||
| Fb | | Fb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[4/3]] | |||
| {{Monzo| 2 -1 }} | |||
| 498.045 | |||
| w4 | | w4 | ||
| wa 4th | | wa 4th | ||
| | | P4 | ||
| F | | F | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[729/512]] | | [[729/512]] | ||
| {{Monzo| -9 6 }} | |||
| 611.730 | | 611.730 | ||
| | | Lw4 | ||
| lawa 4th | |||
| A4 | |||
| F# | | F# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[1024/729]] | | [[1024/729]] | ||
| {{Monzo| 10 -6 }} | |||
| 588.270 | | 588.270 | ||
| | | sw5 | ||
| sawa 5th | |||
| d5 | |||
| Gb | | Gb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[3/2]] | |||
| {{Monzo| -1 1 }} | |||
| 701.955 | |||
| w5 | | w5 | ||
| wa 5th | | wa 5th | ||
| | | P5 | ||
| G | | G | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[6561/4096]] | | [[6561/4096]] | ||
| {{Monzo| -12 8 }} | |||
| 815.640 | | 815.640 | ||
| | | Lw5 | ||
| lawa 5th | |||
| A5 | |||
| G# | | G# | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[128/81]] | | [[128/81]] | ||
| {{Monzo| 7 -4 }} | |||
| 792.180 | | 792.180 | ||
| | | sw6 | ||
| sawa 6th | |||
| m6 | |||
| Ab | | Ab | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[27/16]] | |||
| {{Monzo| -4 3 }} | |||
| 905.865 | |||
| w6 | | w6 | ||
| wa 6th | | wa 6th | ||
| | | M6 | ||
| A | | A | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[32768/19683]] | | [[32768/19683]] | ||
| {{Monzo| 15 -9 }} | |||
| 882.405 | | 882.405 | ||
| | | sw7 | ||
| sawa 7th | |||
| d7 | |||
| Bbb | | Bbb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[16/9]] | |||
| {{Monzo| 4 -2 }} | |||
| 996.090 | |||
| w7 | | w7 | ||
| wa 7th | | wa 7th | ||
| | | m7 | ||
| Bb | | Bb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[243/128]] | | [[243/128]] | ||
| {{Monzo| -7 5 }} | |||
| 1109.775 | | 1109.775 | ||
| | | Lw7 | ||
| lawa 7th | |||
| M7 | |||
| B | | B | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[4096/2187]] | | [[4096/2187]] | ||
| {{Monzo| 12 -7 }} | |||
| 1086.315 | | 1086.315 | ||
| | | sw8 | ||
| sawa 8ve | |||
| d8 | |||
| Cb | | Cb | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[2/1]] | |||
| {{Monzo| 1 }} | |||
| 1200.000 | |||
| w8 | | w8 | ||
| wa 8ve | | wa 8ve | ||
| | | P8 | ||
| C | | C | ||
|} | |} | ||
== Music == | |||
; [[E8 Heterotic]] | |||
* [https://youtu.be/NPoyCQ7aYY8?si=bnAq4FJ7f8s3AagZ "Elements - Metal"] from ''Elements'' (2019–2020) | |||
; [[Francium]] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzFK7uzAR1g ''Pythagorean Metal''] (2023) | |||
; [[John Doe]] | |||
* [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GF7lTvOQ9r8 ''Building (A New Sun)''] (2017) | |||
===== [[Charles Ives]] ===== | |||
[[Johnny Reinhard]]'s 2023 book, ''[https://www.visionedition.com/publication/the-transcendental-tuning-of-charles-ives/ The Transcendental Tuning of Charles Ives]'', lays the foundation for AFMM's realizations of some of Ives' works, employing chains of up to 29 perfect fifths. | |||
* [https://johnnyreinhard.bandcamp.com/album/charles-ives-string-quartet-2-by-flux-quartet-three-quartone-pieces-for-2-pianos-played-by-pierce-jonas-the-unanswered-question-universe-symphony-realized-by-reinhard-michael-thorne-three-page-so String Quartet #2, The Unanswered Question, Three-Page Sonata, Universe Symphony] | |||
* [https://johnnyreinhard.bandcamp.com/album/charles-ives-transcendental-concord-sonata-by-charles-ives-for-two-pianos-in-spiral-of-fifths-tuning-performed-by-pianists-gabriel-zucker-and-erika-dohi-american-festival-of-microtonal-music Concord Sonata] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8HkPie8y08 The Unanswered Question] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT2E13p3sLw Universe Symphony] | |||
; [[Peter Kosmorsky|Peter 'Rush' Kosmorsky]] | |||
* ''String Trio no. 2'' (2013) – [https://soundcloud.com/peter-rush-kosmorsky/string-trio-no-2-for-three-strings SoundCloud] | [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Kosmorsky/__String_Trio_no__2_by_Peter__Rush__Kosmorsky.mp3 play] – in [[Pythagorean17|Pythagorean[17]]] | |||
; [[Zhea Erose]] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISHYKXPaL5o ''Circles of Indigo - Dreamsura''] (2023) | |||
== See also == | == See also == | ||
* [[Pythagorean tuning]] | |||
* [[Harmonic limit]] | * [[Harmonic limit]] | ||
* [[3-odd-limit]] | |||
* [[Gallery of just intervals]] | * [[Gallery of just intervals]] | ||
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