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{{EDO intro|35}}
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== Theory ==
== Theory ==
As 35 is 5 times 7, 35edo allows for mixing the two smallest xenharmonic [[macrotonal edos]]: [[5edo]] and [[7edo]]. A single degree of 35edo represents the difference between 7edo's narrow fifth of 685.71¢ and 5edo's wide fifth of 720¢. Because it includes 7edo, 35edo tunes the 29th harmonic with +1 cent of error. 35edo can also represent the 2.3.5.7.11.17 [[Just_intonation_subgroups|subgroup]] and 2.9.5.7.11.17 subgroup, because of the accuracy of 9 and the flatness of all other subgroup generators (7/5 and 17/11 stand out, having less than 1 cent error). Therefore among whitewood tunings it is very versatile; you can switch between these different subgroups if you don't mind having to use two different 3/2s to reach the inconsistent 9 (a characteristic of whitewood tunings), and if you ignore [[22edo]]'s more in-tune versions of 35edo MOS's and consistent representation of both subgroups. 35edo has the optimal patent val for [[greenwood]] and [[secund]] temperaments, as well as 11-limit [[muggles]], and the 35f val is an excellent tuning for 13-limit muggles. 35edo is the largest edo with a lack of a diatonic scale.
As 35 is 5 times 7, 35edo allows for mixing the two smallest xenharmonic [[macrotonal edos]]: [[5edo]] and [[7edo]]. A single degree of 35edo represents the difference between 7edo's narrow fifth of 685.71{{c}} and 5edo's wide fifth of 720{{c}}. Because it includes 7edo, 35edo tunes the 29th harmonic with only 1{{c}} of error.
 
35edo can also represent the 2.3.5.7.11.17 [[subgroup]] and 2.9.5.7.11.17 subgroup, because of the accuracy of 9 and the flatness of all other subgroup generators (7/5 and 17/11 stand out, having less than 1 cent error). Therefore among [[whitewood]] tunings it is very versatile; you can switch between these different subgroups if you don't mind having to use two different 3/2s to reach the inconsistent 9 (a characteristic of whitewood tunings), and if you ignore [[22edo]]'s more in-tune versions of 35edo MOS's and consistent representation of both subgroups.  
 
35edo has the optimal [[patent val]] for [[greenwood]] and [[secund]] temperaments, as well as 11-limit [[muggles]], and the 35f val is an excellent tuning for 13-limit muggles. 35edo is the largest edo with a lack of a [[diatonic scale]] (unless 7edo is considered a diatonic scale).


=== Odd harmonics ===
=== Odd harmonics ===
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== Notation ==
== Notation ==
The 7edo fifth is preferred for ups and downs notation due to being much easier to notate than the 5edo fifth, as well as being closer to 3/2.
The 7edo fifth is preferred as the diatonic generator for ups and downs notation due to being much easier to notate than the 5edo fifth (which involves E and F being enharmonic), as well as being closer to 3/2.
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{| class="wikitable"
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| 8ve
| 8ve
|}
|}
===Sagittal notation===
====Best fifth notation====
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as EDOs [[30edo#Second-best fifth notation|30b]] and [[40edo#Sagittal notation|40]], and is a superset of the notation for [[7edo#Sagittal notation|7-EDO]].
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rect 415 0 575 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation]
rect 20 80 415 106 [[Fractional_3-limit_notation#Bad-fifths_limma-fraction_notation | limma-fraction notation]]
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====Second-best fifth notation====
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as [[42edo#Sagittal notation|42-EDO]], and is a superset of the notation for [[5edo#Sagittal notation|5-EDO]].
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rect 20 80 391 106 [[Fractional_3-limit_notation#Bad-fifths_apotome-fraction_notation | apotome-fraction notation]]
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=== Chord Names ===
=== Chord Names ===
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0-9-20-29 = C vE G vB = Cv7 = C down seven
0-9-20-29 = C vE G vB = Cv7 = C down seven


For a more complete list, see [[Ups and Downs Notation#Chords and Chord Progressions|Ups and Downs Notation - Chords and Chord Progressions]].
For a more complete list, see [[Ups and downs notation#Chords and Chord Progressions|Ups and downs notation - Chords and Chord Progressions]].


== JI Intervals ==
== JI Intervals ==
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{{15-odd-limit|35}}
{{15-odd-limit|35}}


== Rank-2 temperaments ==
== Regular temperament properties ==
=== Rank-2 temperaments ===
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
|-
|-
! | Periods
! Periods<br>per 8ve
 
! Generator
per octave
! Temperaments with<br>flat 3/2 (patent val)
! | Generator
! Temperaments with sharp 3/2 (35b val)
! | Temperaments with
! [[Mos scale]]s
 
flat 3/2 (patent val)
! | <span style="display: block; text-align: center;">Temperaments with sharp 3/2 (35b val)</span>
|-
|-
| | 1
| 1
| | 1\35
| 1\35
| |  
|  
| |  
|  
|  
|-
|-
| | 1
| 1
| | 2\35
| 2\35
| |  
|  
| |
|  
| [[1L 16s]], [[17L 1s]]
|-
|-
| | 1
| 1
| | 3\35
| 3\35
| |  
|  
| | [[Ripple|Ripple]]
| [[Ripple]]
| [[1L 10s]], [[11L 1s]], [[12L 11s]]
|-
|-
| | 1
| 1
| | 4\35
| 4\35
| | [[Greenwoodmic_temperaments#Secund|Secund]]
| [[Secund]]
| |  
|  
| [[1L 7s]], [[8L 1s]], [[9L 8s]], [[9L 17s]]
|-
|-
| | 1
| 1
| | 6\35
| 6\35
| colspan="2" | Messed-up [[Chromatic_pairs#Baldy|Baldy]]
| colspan="2" | [[Baldy]] (messed-up)
| [[1L 4s]], [[5L 1s]], [[6L 5s]], [[6L 11s]], [[6L 17s]], [[6L 23s]]
|-
|-
| | 1
| 1
| | 8\35
| 8\35
| |  
|  
| | Messed-up [[Orwell]]
| [[Orwell]] (messed-up)
| [[1L 3s]], [[4L 1s]], [[4L 5s]], [[9L 4s]], [[13L 9s]]
|-
|-
| | 1
| 1
| | 9\35
| 9\35
| | [[Myna|Myna]]
| [[Myna]]
| |  
|  
| [[1L 3s]], [[4L 3s]], [[4L 7s]], [[4L 11s]], [[4L 15s]], …, [[4L 27s]]
|-
|-
| | 1
| 1
| | 11\35
| 11\35
| | [[Muggles]]
| [[Muggles]]
| |  
|  
| [[3L 1s]], [[3L 4s]], [[3L 7s]] [[3L 10s]], [[3L 13s]], [[16L 3s]]
|-
|-
| | 1
| 1
| | 12\35
| 12\35
| |  
|  
| | [[Avicennmic_temperaments#Roman|Roman]]
| [[Roman]]
| [[2L 1s]], [[3L 2s]], [[3L 5s]], [[3L 8s]], [[3L 11s]], [[3L 14s]], [[3L 17s]], [[3L 20s]], …, [[3L 29s]]
|-
|-
| | 1
| 1
| | 13\35
| 13\35
| colspan="2" | Inconsistent 2.9'/7.5/3 [[Sensi]]
| colspan="2" | Inconsistent 2.9'/7.5/3 [[sensi]]
| [[2L 1s]], [[3L 2s]], [[3L 5s]], [[8L 3s]], [[8L 11s]], [[8L 19s]]
|-
|-
| | 1
| 1
| | 16\35
| 16\35
| |  
|  
| |
|  
| [[2L 1s]], [[2L 3s]], [[2L 5s]], [[2L 7s]], [[2L 9s]], [[11L 2s]], [[11L 13s]]
|-
|-
| | 1
| 1
| | 17\35
| 17\35
| |  
|  
| |
|  
| [[2L 1s]], [[2L 3s]], [[2L 5s]], [[2L 7s]], [[2L 9s]], [[2L 11s]], [[2L 13s]], [[2L 15s]], [[2L 17s]], [[2L 19s]], …, [[2L 31s]]
|-
|-
| | 5
| 5
| | 1\35
| 1\35
| |  
|  
| | [[Blackwood]] (favoring 7/6)
| [[Blackwood]] (favoring 7/6)
| [[5L 5s]], [[5L 10s]], [[5L 15s]], [[5L 20s]], [[5L 25s]]
|-
|-
| | 5
| 5
| | 2\35
| 2\35
| |  
|  
| | [[Blackwood]] (favoring 6/5 and 20/17)
| [[Blackwood]] (favoring 6/5 and 20/17)
| [[5L 5s]], [[5L 10s]], [[15L 5s]]
|-
|-
| | 5
| 5
| | 3\35
| 3\35
| |  
|  
| | [[Blackwood]] (favoring 5/4 and 17/14)
| [[Blackwood]] (favoring 5/4 and 17/14)
| [[5L 5s]], [[10L 5s]], [[10L 15s]]
|-
|-
| | 7
| 7
| | 1\35
| 1\35
| | [[Apotome_family|Whitewood]]/[[Apotome_family#Redwood|Redwood]]
| [[Whitewood]] / [[redwood]]
| |  
|  
| [[7L 7s]], [[7L 14s]], [[7L 21s]]
|-
|-
| | 7
| 7
| | 2\35
| 2\35
| | [[Greenwoodmic_temperaments#Greenwood|Greenwood]]
| [[Greenwood]]
| |  
|  
| [[7L 7s]], [[14L 7s]]
|}
|}


== Scales ==
=== Commas ===
A good beginning for start to play 35-EDO is with the Sub-diatonic scale, that is a [[MOS]] of 3L2s: 9 4 9 9 4.
35et [[tempering out|tempers out]] the following [[comma]]s. (Note: This assumes the [[val]] {{val| 35 55 81 98 121 130 }}.)
 
== Commas ==
35 EDO [[tempers out]] the following [[comma]]s. (Note: This assumes the [[val]] {{val| 35 55 81 98 121 130 }}.)


{| class="commatable wikitable center-1 center-2 right-4 center-5"
{| class="commatable wikitable center-1 center-2 right-4 center-5"
|-
|-
! [[Harmonic limit|Prime <br> limit]]
! [[Harmonic limit|Prime<br>limit]]
! [[Ratio]]<ref>Ratios longer than 10 digits are presented by placeholders with informative hints</ref>
! [[Ratio]]<ref>Ratios longer than 10 digits are presented by placeholders with informative hints</ref>
! [[Monzo]]
! [[Monzo]]
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| 113.69
| 113.69
| Lawa
| Lawa
| Apotome, Whitewood comma
| Whitewood comma, apotome, Pythagorean chroma
|-
|-
| 5
| 5
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| 29.61
| 29.61
| Laquinyo
| Laquinyo
| Small diesis, Magic comma
| Magic comma, small diesis
|-
|-
| 7
| 7
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| 44.13
| 44.13
| Laquinzo
| Laquinzo
| Cloudy
| Cloudy comma
|-
|-
| 7
| 7
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| 43.41
| 43.41
| Lazoyoyo
| Lazoyoyo
| Avicenna
| Avicennma
|-
|-
| 7
| 7
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| 13.79
| 13.79
| Zotrigu
| Zotrigu
| Starling comma, Septimal semicomma
| Septimal semicomma, starling comma
|-
|-
| 11
| 11
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|}
|}
<references/>
<references/>
== Scales ==
* A good place to start using 35-EDO is with the sub-diatonic scale, that is a [[MOS]] of 3L2s: 9 4 9 9 4.
* Also available is the amulet scale{{idiosyncratic}}, approximated from [[magic]] in [[25edo]]: 3 1 3 3 1 3 4 3 3 1 3 4 3
* Approximations of [[gamelan]] scales:
** 5-tone pelog: 3 5 12 3 12
** 7-tone pelog: 3 5 7 5 3 8 4
** 5-tone slendro: 7 7 7 7 7
== Instruments ==
=== Lumatone ===
35edo can be played on the [[Lumatone]]. See [[Lumatone mapping for 35edo]]
=== Skip fretting ===
'''Skip fretting system 35 3 8''' is a [[skip fretting]] system for [[35edo]]. All examples on this page are for 7-string [[guitar]].
; Prime harmonics
1/1: string 2 open
2/1: string 3 fret 9 and string 6 fret 1
3/2: string 3 fret 4 and string 4 fret 13
5/4: string 3 fret 1, string 4 fret 10, and string 7 fret 2
7/4: string 4 fret 4
11/8: string 1 fret 8, string 4 open, and string 5 fret 9
13/8: string 1 fret 11, string 4 fret 3, and string 5 fret 12
17/16: string 2 fret 1 and string 3 fret 10


== Music ==
== Music ==
* [http://soonlabel.com/xenharmonic/archives/2348 Little Prelude &amp; Fugue, "The Bijingle" by Claudi Meneghin]
; [[dotuXil]]
* [https://www.archive.org/download/Transcendissonance/05Self-destructingMechanicalForest-CityOfTheAsleep.mp3 Self-Destructing Mechanical Forest] by Chuckles McGee (in Secund[9])
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61ssLv9H6rk "Icebound Gallery of Refractions"] from [https://dotuxil.bandcamp.com/album/collected-refractions ''Collected Refractions''] (2024)
* [https://youtu.be/07-wj6BaTOw "G2 Manifold"] by E8 Heterotic (uses a combination of 5-EDO and 7-EDO, which can be classified as a 35-EDO subset.)
 
; [[E8 Heterotic]]
* [https://youtu.be/07-wj6BaTOw ''G2 Manifold''] (2020) – uses a combination of 5edo and 7edo, which can be classified as a 35edo subset.
 
; [[JUMBLE]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qpsI26JfjY ''Penguins...?''] (2024)
 
; [[Chuckles McGee]]
* [https://www.archive.org/download/Transcendissonance/05Self-destructingMechanicalForest-CityOfTheAsleep.mp3 Self-Destructing Mechanical Forest] (in Secund[9])
 
; [[Claudi Meneghin]]
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20190412163316/http://soonlabel.com/xenharmonic/archives/2348'' Little Prelude &amp; Fugue, "The Bijingle"''] (2014)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPie2YDwA8I ''MicroFugue on Happy Birthday for Baroque Ensemble''] (2023)
 
; [[No Clue Music]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMUQWdFRGao ''DarkSciFiThing''] (2024)


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