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The 5-limit parent comma for the '''porcupine family''' is [[250/243]], the maximal diesis or porcupine comma. Its [[monzo]] is {{monzo| 1 -5 3 }}, and flipping that yields {{multival| 3 5 1 }} for the [[wedgie]]. This tells us the [[generator]] is a minor whole tone, the [[10/9]] interval, and that three of these add up to a fourth, with two more giving the minor sixth. In fact, (10/9)<sup>3</sup> = 4/3 × 250/243, and (10/9)<sup>5</sup> = 8/5 × (250/243)<sup>2</sup>. [[22edo|3\22]] is a very recommendable generator, and MOS of 7, 8 and 15 notes make for some nice scale possibilities.
{{Technical data page}}
The '''porcupine family''' of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[porcupine comma]], [[250/243]], also called the maximal diesis.  


The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at. That means
== Porcupine ==
* [[64/63]], the archytas comma, for [[#Septimal porcupine|septimal porcupine]],
{{Main| Porcupine }}
* [[36/35]], the septimal quarter tone, for [[#Hystrix|hystrix]],
* [[50/49]], the jubilisma, for [[#Hedgehog|hedgehog]], and
* [[49/48]], the slendro diesis, for [[#Nautilus|nautilus]].


All these 7-limit extensions notably share the same 2.3.5.11 subgroup, ''porkypine''.  
The [[generator]] of porcupine is a minor whole tone, the [[10/9]] interval, and three of these add up to a perfect fourth ([[4/3]]), with two more giving the minor sixth ([[8/5]]). In fact, {{nowrap| (10/9)<sup>3</sup> {{=}} (4/3)⋅(250/243) }}, and {{nowrap| (10/9)<sup>5</sup> {{=}} (8/5)⋅(250/243)<sup>2</sup> }}. Its [[ploidacot]] is omega-tricot. [[22edo|3\22]] is a very recommendable generator, and [[mos scale]]s of 7, 8 and 15 notes make for some nice scale possibilities.


Temperaments discussed elsewhere include [[opossum]], [[Septisemi temperaments #Oxygen|oxygen]], and [[Dicot family #Jamesbond|jamesbond]].
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5


== Porcupine ==
[[Comma list]]: 250/243
Subgroup: 2.3.5


[[Comma list]]: 250/243
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 | 0 -3 -5 }}


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 }}]
: mapping generators: ~2, ~10/9


[[POTE generator]]: ~10/9 = 163.950
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~10/9 = 164.166
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.000 +5.547 -7.143 }}
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~10/9 = 163.950
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +6.194 -6.065 }}


[[Tuning ranges]]:  
[[Tuning ranges]]:  
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~10/9 = [150.000, 171.429] (1\8 to 1\7)
* [[5-odd-limit]] [[diamond monotone]]: ~10/9 = [150.000, 171.429] (1\8 to 1\7)
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~10/9 = [157.821, 166.015]
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~10/9 = [157.821, 166.015]
* 5-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = [157.821, 166.015]


{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 15, 22, 95c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 15, 22, 95c }}
 
[[Badness]] (Smith): 0.030778
 
=== Overview to extensions ===
==== 7-limit extensions ====
The second comma defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at.
* [[#Hystrix|Hystrix]] adds [[36/35]], the mint comma, for an exotemperament tuning around 8d-edo;
* [[#Opossum|Opossum]] adds [[28/27]], the trienstonic comma, for a tuning between 8d-edo and 15edo;
* [[#Septimal porcupine|Septimal porcupine]] adds [[64/63]], the archytas comma, for a tuning between 15edo and 22edo;
* [[#Porky|Porky]] adds [[225/224]], the marvel comma, for a tuning between 22edo and 29edo;
* [[#Coendou|Coendou]] adds [[525/512]], the avicennma, for a tuning sharp of 29edo.
 
Those all share the same generator with porcupine.
 
[[#Nautilus|nautilus]] tempers out [[49/48]] and splits the generator in two. [[#Hedgehog|hedgehog]] tempers out [[50/49]] with a semi-octave period. Finally, [[#Ammonite|ammonite]] tempers out [[686/675]] and [[#Ceratitid|ceratitid]] tempers out [[1728/1715]]. Those split the generator in three.
 
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include:
* [[Oxygen]] → [[Very low accuracy temperaments #Oxygen|Very low accuracy temperaments]].
* [[Jamesbond]] → [[7th-octave temperaments #Jamesbond|7th-octave temperaments]].


[[Badness]]: 0.030778
==== Subgroup extensions ====
Noting that {{nowrap| 250/243 {{=}} ([[55/54]])⋅([[100/99]]) {{=}} S10<sup>2</sup>⋅[[121/120|S11]] }}, the temperament thus extends naturally to the 2.3.5.11 [[subgroup]], sometimes known as ''porkypine'', given right below.


=== Porkypine ===
=== 2.3.5.11 subgroup (porkypine) ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.11


Comma list: 55/54, 100/99
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99


Sval mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 4 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 -4 }}]
Sval mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 4 | 0 -3 -5 -4 }}
 
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 0 4 | 0 -3 -5 0 -4 }}


Gencom mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 0 4 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 0 -4 }}]
: gencom: [2 10/9; 55/54, 100/99]


Gencom: [2 10/9; 55/54, 100/99]
Optimal tunings:  
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 163.887
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 164.078


POTE generator: ~11/10 = 164.0777
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 15, 22, 73ce, 95ce }}


Vals: {{val list| 7, 15, 22, 37, 73ce, 95ce }}
Badness (Smith): 0.0097


==== Undecimation ====
==== Undecimation ====
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Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 512/507
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 512/507


Sval mapping: [{{val| 1 -1 -2 0 5 }}, {{val| 0 6 10 8 -3 }}]
Sval mapping: {{mapping| 1 5 8 8 2 | 0 -6 -10 -8 3 }}
 
: sval mapping generators: ~2, ~65/44
 
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~88/65 = 518.086
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~88/65 = 518.209


POTE generator: ~88/65 = 518.2094
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 23bc, 30, 37, 44 }}


Vals: {{val list| 7, 23bc, 30, 37, 44 }}
Badness (Smith): 0.0305


== Septimal porcupine ==
== Septimal porcupine ==
{{main| Porcupine }}
{{Main| Porcupine }}


Porcupine uses six of its minor tone generator steps to get to [[7/4]]. For this to work you need a small minor tone such as [[22edo|22EDO]] provides, and once again 3\22 is a good tuning choice, though we might pick in preference 8\59, 11\81, or 19\140 for our generator.
Septimal porcupine uses six of its minor tone generator steps to get to [[7/4]]. Here, we share the same mapping of 7/4 in terms of fifths as [[archy]]. For this to work you need a small minor tone such as [[22edo]] provides, and once again 3\22 is a good tuning choice, though we might pick in preference 8\59, 11\81, or 19\140 for our generator.  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 64/63, 250/243
[[Comma list]]: 64/63, 250/243


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 2 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 6 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 2 | 0 -3 -5 6 }}
 
{{Multival|legend=1| 3 5 -6 1 -18 -28 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~10/9 = 162.880
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~10/9 = 163.203
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.000 +8.435 -2.330 +10.394 }}
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~10/9 = 162.880
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +9.405 -0.714 +8.455 }}


[[Minimax tuning]]:  
[[Minimax tuning]]:  
* [[7-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 3/5 0 -1/5 }}
* [[7-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 3/5 0 -1/5 }}
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 5/4
: [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.5
* [[9-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 1/6 -1/6 0 1/12 }}
* [[9-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 1/6 -1/6 0 1/12 }}
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 9/7
: [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.9/7


[[Tuning ranges]]:  
[[Tuning ranges]]:  
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* 7-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~10/9 = [157.821, 166.015]
* 7-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~10/9 = [157.821, 166.015]
* 9-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~10/9 = [157.821, 182.404]
* 9-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~10/9 = [157.821, 182.404]
* 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = [160.000, 163.636]


{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 15, 22, 59, 81bd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 15, 22, 37, 59, 81bd }}


[[Badness]]: 0.041057
[[Badness]] (Smith): 0.041057


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Line 97: Line 128:
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 100/99
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 100/99


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 2 4 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 6 -4 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 2 4 | 0 -3 -5 6 -4 }}


POTE generator: ~10/9 = 162.747
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 163.105
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 162.747


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 11-odd-limit: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 1/6 -1/6 0 1/12 }}
* 11-odd-limit: ~11/10 = {{monzo| 1/6 -1/6 0 1/12 }}
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 9/7
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.9/7


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~10/9 = [160.000, 163.636] (2\15 to 3\22)
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~11/10 = [160.000, 163.636] (2\15 to 3\22)
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~10/9 = [150.637, 182.404]
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~11/10 = [150.637, 182.404]
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = [160.000, 163.636]
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 15, 22, 37, 59 }}


Vals: {{val list| 7, 15, 22, 37, 59 }}
Badness (Smith): 0.021562


Badness: 0.021562
==== Porcupinefowl ====
This extension used to be ''tridecimal porcupine''.  


==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 40/39, 55/54, 64/63, 66/65
Comma list: 40/39, 55/54, 64/63, 66/65


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 2 4 4 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 6 -4 -2 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 2 4 4 | 0 -3 -5 6 -4 -2 }}


POTE generator: ~10/9 = 162.708
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 163.442
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 162.708


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 1 0 0 0 -1/4 }}
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 1 0 0 0 -1/4 }}
: Eigenmonzo (unchanged intervals): 2, 11/8
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.11


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* 13-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~10/9 = [160.000, 163.636] (2\15 to 3\22)
* 13-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~11/10 = [160.000, 163.636] (2\15 to 3\22)
* 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~10/9 = 163.636 (3\22)
* 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~11/10 = 163.636 (3\22)
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~10/9 = [138.573, 182.404]
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~11/10 = [138.573, 182.404]
* 13-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = [160.000, 163.636]
* 15-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = 163.636


Vals: {{val list| 7, 15, 22f, 37f }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 15, 22f, 37f }}


Badness: 0.021276
Badness (Smith): 0.021276


==== Porcupinefish ====
==== Porcupinefish ====
{{see also| The Biosphere }}
{{See also| The Biosphere }}


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Line 145: Line 179:
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 91/90, 100/99
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 91/90, 100/99


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 2 4 6 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 6 -4 -17 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 2 4 6 | 0 -3 -5 6 -4 -17 }}


POTE generator: ~10/9 = 162.277
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 162.636
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 162.277


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 2/13 0 0 0 1/13 -1/13 }}
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 2/13 0 0 0 1/13 -1/13 }}
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 13/11
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.13/11


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
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* 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~10/9 = 162.162 (5\37)
* 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~10/9 = 162.162 (5\37)
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~10/9 = [150.637, 182.404]
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~10/9 = [150.637, 182.404]
* 13-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = [160.000, 162.162]
* 15-odd-limit diamond monotone and tradeoff: ~10/9 = 162.162


Vals: {{val list| 15, 22, 37, 59, 96b }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 22, 37 }}


Badness: 0.025314
Badness (Smith): 0.025314


==== Pourcup ====
==== Pourcup ====
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Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 100/99, 196/195
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 100/99, 196/195


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 2 4 1 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 6 -4 20 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 2 4 1 | 0 -3 -5 6 -4 20 }}


POTE generator: ~10/9 = 162.482
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 163.378
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 162.482


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 1/14 0 0 -1/14 0 1/14 }}
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~11/10 = {{monzo| 1/14 0 0 -1/14 0 1/14 }}
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 14/13
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.13/7


Vals: {{val list| 15f, 22f, 37 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15f, 22f, 37, 59f }}


Badness: 0.035130
Badness (Smith): 0.035130


==== Porkpie ====
==== Porkpie ====
Line 186: Line 222:
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 65/63, 100/99
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 65/63, 100/99


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 2 4 3 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 6 -4 5 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 2 4 3 | 0 -3 -5 6 -4 5 }}


POTE generator: ~10/9 = 163.688
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 163.678
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 163.688


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 1/6 -1/6 0 1/12 }}
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~11/10 = {{monzo| 1/6 -1/6 0 1/12 }}
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 9/7
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.9/7


Vals: {{val list| 7, 15f, 22 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 15f, 22 }}


Badness: 0.026043
Badness (Smith): 0.026043


== Hystrix ==
== Opossum ==
Hystrix provides a less complex avenue to the 7-limit. Unfortunately in temperaments as in life you get what you pay for, and hystrix, for which a generator of 2\15 or 9\68 can be used, is a temperament for the adventurous souls who have probably already tried [[15edo|15EDO]]. They can try the even sharper fifth of hystrix in [[68edo|68EDO]] and see how that suits.
Opossum can be described as {{nowrap| 8d & 15 }}. Tempering out [[28/27]], the perfect fifth of three generator steps is conflated with not [[32/21]] as in porcupine but [[14/9]]. Three such fifths or nine generator steps octave reduced give a flat 7/4. 2\15 is a good generator.  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 36/35, 160/147
[[Comma list]]: 28/27, 126/125
 
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 -1 }}]


{{Multival|legend=1| 3 5 1 1 -7 -12 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 4 | 0 -3 -5 -9 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~8/7 = 158.868
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~10/9 = 161.306
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.000 +14.126 +7.155 -20.583 }}
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~10/9 = 159.691
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +18.971 +15.229 -6.048 }}


[[Minimax tuning]]:  
[[Minimax tuning]]:  
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]]: ~8/7 = {{monzo| 3/5 0 -1/5 }}
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]] [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.7
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 5/4


{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 8d, 15d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 8d, 15 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.044944
[[Badness]] (Smith): 0.040650


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 22/21, 36/35, 80/77
Comma list: 28/27, 55/54, 77/75
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 4 4 | 0 -3 -5 -9 -4 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 161.365
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 159.807
 
Minimax tuning:
* 11-odd-limit unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.7
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 8d, 15 }}
 
Badness (Smith): 0.022325
 
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 28/27, 40/39, 55/54, 66/65
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 4 4 4 | 0 -3 -5 -9 -4 -2 }}


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 4 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 -1 -4 }}]
Optimal tunings:  
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 161.631
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 158.805


POTE generator: ~8/7 = 158.750
Minimax tuning:  
* 13- and 15-odd-limit unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.7


Vals: {{val list| 7, 8d, 15d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 8d, 15, 38bceff }}


Badness: 0.026790
Badness (Smith): 0.019389


== Porky ==
== Porky ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Porky can be described as {{nowrap| 22 & 29 }}, suggesting a less sharp perfect fifth. 7\51 is a good generator.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 250/243
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 250/243


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 5 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 -16 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 5 | 0 -3 -5 -16 }}
 
{{Multival|legend=1| 3 5 16 1 17 23 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~10/9 = 164.412
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~10/9 = 164.391
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.000 +4.871 -8.270 +0.913 }}
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~10/9 = 164.412
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +4.809 -8.375 +0.580 }}


[[Minimax tuning]]:  
[[Minimax tuning]]:  
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 2/11 0 1/11 -1/11 }}
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 2/11 0 1/11 -1/11 }}
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 7/5
: [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.7/5


{{Val list|legend=1| 7d, 15d, 22, 29, 51, 73c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 15d, 22, 29, 51, 73c }}


[[Badness]]: 0.054389
[[Badness]] (Smith): 0.054389


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
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Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 225/224
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 225/224


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 5 4 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 -16 -4 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 5 4 | 0 -3 -5 -16 -4 }}


POTE generator: ~10/9 = 164.552
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 164.321
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 164.552


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 11-odd-limit: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 2/11 0 1/11 -1/11 }}
* 11-odd-limit: ~11/10 = {{monzo| 2/11 0 1/11 -1/11 }}
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 7/5
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.7/5


Vals: {{val list| 7d, 15d, 22, 29, 51, 73ce }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 15d, 22, 51 }}


Badness: 0.027268
Badness (Smith): 0.027268


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Line 273: Line 341:
Comma list: 55/54, 65/64, 91/90, 100/99
Comma list: 55/54, 65/64, 91/90, 100/99


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 5 4 3 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 -16 -4 5 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 5 4 3 | 0 -3 -5 -16 -4 5 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 164.478
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 164.953


POTE generator: ~10/9 = 164.953
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 22, 29, 51f, 80cdeff }}


Vals: {{val list| 7d, 22, 29, 51f, 80cdeff }}
Badness (Smith): 0.026543


Badness: 0.026543
; Music
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN4cLOyaVGE ''Improvisation in 29edo''] (2024) by [[Budjarn Lambeth]] – in Palace scale, 29edo tuning


== Coendou ==
== Coendou ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Coendou can be described as {{nowrap| 29 & 36c }}, suggesting an even less sharp or near-just perfect fifth. 9\65 is a good generator.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 250/243, 525/512
[[Comma list]]: 250/243, 525/512


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 1 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 13 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 1 | 0 -3 -5 13 }}
 
{{Multival|legend=1| 3 5 -13 1 -29 -44 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~10/9 = 166.041
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~10/9 = 166.094
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.000 -0.236 -16.783 -9.607 }}
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~10/9 = 166.041
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.077 -16.516 -10.299 }}


[[Minimax tuning]]:  
[[Minimax tuning]]:  
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 2/3 -1/3 }}
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 2/3 -1/3 }}
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 3
: [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.3


{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 29, 65c, 94cd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 22d, 29, 65c, 94cd }}


[[Badness]]: 0.118344
[[Badness]] (Smith): 0.118344


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Line 305: Line 382:
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 525/512
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 525/512


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 1 4 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 13 -4 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 1 4 | 0 -3 -5 13 -4 }}


POTE generator: ~10/9 = 165.981
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 165.925
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 165.981


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 11-odd-limit: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 2/3 -1/3 }}
* 11-odd-limit: ~11/10 = {{monzo| 2/3 -1/3 }}
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 3
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.3


Vals: {{val list| 7, 29, 65ce, 94cde }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 22d, 29, 65ce }}


Badness: 0.049669
Badness (Smith): 0.049669


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Line 322: Line 401:
Comma list: 55/54, 65/64, 100/99, 105/104
Comma list: 55/54, 65/64, 100/99, 105/104


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 1 4 3 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 13 -4 5 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 1 4 3 | 0 -3 -5 13 -4 5 }}


POTE generator: ~10/9 = 165.974
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 166.046
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 165.974


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 2/3 -1/3 }}
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~11/10 = {{monzo| 2/3 -1/3 }}
: Eigenmonzos (unchanged intervals): 2, 3
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.3
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 22d, 29, 65cef }}
 
Badness (Smith): 0.030233
 
== Hystrix ==
Hystrix provides a less complex avenue to the 7-limit, with the generator taking on the role of approximating 8/7. Unfortunately in temperaments as in life you get what you pay for, and hystrix is very high in [[error]] due to the large disparity between typical porcupine generators and a justly-tuned 8/7, and is usually considered an [[exotemperament]]. A generator of 2\15 or 9\68 can be used for hystrix.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 36/35, 160/147
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 3 | 0 -3 -5 -1 }}
 
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~10/9 = 165.185
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.000 +2.491 -12.236 +65.990 }}
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~10/9 = 158.868
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +21.442 +19.348 +72.306 }}


Vals: {{val list| 7, 29, 65cef, 94cdef }}
[[Minimax tuning]]:  
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 3/5 0 -1/5 }}
: [[Eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.5


Badness: 0.030233
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 8d, 15d }}
 
[[Badness]] (Smith): 0.044944
 
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 22/21, 36/35, 80/77
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 3 4 | 0 -3 -5 -1 -4 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 164.768
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~11/10 = 158.750
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 8d, 15d }}
 
Badness (Smith): 0.026790


== Hedgehog ==
== Hedgehog ==
Hedgehog has a period 1/2 octave and a generator which can be taken to be 9/7 instead of 10/9. It also tempers out [[245/243]], the sensamagic comma. 22EDO provides the obvious tuning, but if you are looking for an alternative, you could try the {{val| 146 232 338 411 }} val with generator 10\73, or you could try 164 cents if you are fond of round numbers. The 14 note MOS gives scope for harmony while stopping well short of 22.
{{See also| Sensamagic clan | Stearnsmic clan }}
 
Hedgehog has a period 1/2 octave and a generator which can be taken to be 9/7 instead of 10/9. It also tempers out [[245/243]], the sensamagic comma. It is a strong extension of [[BPS]] (as BPS has no 2 or sqrt(2)). Its ploidacot is diploid omega-tricot.  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
22edo provides an obvious tuning, which happens to be the only [[patent val|patent-val]] tuning, but if you are looking for an alternative you could try the {{val| 146 232 338 411 }} (146bccdd) val with generator 10\73, or you could try 164 cents if you are fond of round numbers. The 14-note mos gives scope for harmony while stopping well short of 22. A related temperament is [[echidna]], which offers much more accuracy. They merge on 22edo.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 50/49, 245/243
[[Comma list]]: 50/49, 245/243


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 2 1 1 2 }}, {{val| 0 3 5 5 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 1 1 2 | 0 3 5 5 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 6 10 10 2 -1 -5 }}
: mapping generators: ~7/5, ~9/7


[[POTE generator]]: ~9/7 = 435.648
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~7/5 = 600.000, ~9/7 = 435.258
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.000 +3.819 -10.024 +7.464 }}
* [[POTE]]: ~7/5 = 600.000, ~9/7 = 435.648
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +4.989 -8.074 +9.414 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 8d, 14c, 22, 146bccdd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 14c, 22 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.043983
[[Badness]] (Smith): 0.043983


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Line 356: Line 483:
Comma list: 50/49, 55/54, 99/98
Comma list: 50/49, 55/54, 99/98


Mapping: [{{val| 2 1 1 2 4 }}, {{val| 0 3 5 5 4 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 1 2 4 | 0 3 5 5 4 }}


POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.386
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~7/5 = 600.000, ~9/7 = 435.528
* POTE: ~7/5 = 600.000, ~9/7 = 435.386


Vals: {{val list| 8d, 14c, 22, 58ce, 80ce, 102cde }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 8d, 14c, 22, 58ce }}


Badness: 0.023095
Badness (Smith): 0.023095


==== 13-limit ====
==== 13-limit ====
Line 369: Line 498:
Comma list: 50/49, 55/54, 65/63, 99/98
Comma list: 50/49, 55/54, 65/63, 99/98


Mapping: [{{val| 2 1 1 2 4 3 }}, {{val| 0 3 5 5 4 6 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 1 2 4 3 | 0 3 5 5 4 6 }}


POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.861
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~7/5 = 600.000, ~9/7 = 436.309
* POTE: ~7/5 = 600.000, ~9/7 = 435.861


Vals: {{val list| 8d, 14cf, 22 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 8d, 14cf, 22 }}


Badness: 0.021516
Badness (Smith): 0.021516


==== Urchin ====
==== Urchin ====
Line 382: Line 513:
Comma list: 40/39, 50/49, 55/54, 66/65
Comma list: 40/39, 50/49, 55/54, 66/65


Mapping: [{{val| 2 1 1 2 4 6 }}, {{val| 0 3 5 5 4 2 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 1 2 4 6 | 0 3 5 5 4 2 }}


POTE generator: ~9/7 = 437.078
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~7/5 = 600.000, ~9/7 = 435.186
* POTE: ~7/5 = 600.000, ~9/7 = 437.078


Vals: {{val list| 14c, 22f }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14c, 22f }}


Badness: 0.025233
Badness (Smith): 0.025233


=== Hedgepig ===
=== Hedgepig ===
Line 395: Line 528:
Comma list: 50/49, 245/243, 385/384
Comma list: 50/49, 245/243, 385/384


Mapping: [{{val| 2 1 1 2 12 }}, {{val| 0 3 5 5 -7 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 1 2 12 | 0 3 5 5 -7 }}


POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.425
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~7/5 = 600.000, ~9/7 = 435.329
* POTE: ~7/5 = 600.000, ~9/7 = 435.425


Vals: {{val list| 22, 80c, 102cd, 124cd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22 }}


Badness: 0.068406
Badness (Smith): 0.068406


; Music
; Music
[http://micro.soonlabel.com/22-ET/20120207-phobos-light-hedgehog14.mp3 Phobos Light] by [[Chris Vaisvil]] in Hedgehog[14] [[hedgehog14|tuned]] to 22EDO.
* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/22-ET/20120207-phobos-light-hedgehog14.mp3 ''Phobos Light''] by [[Chris Vaisvil]] – in [[hedgehog14|hedgehog[14]]], 22edo tuning.


== Nautilus ==
== Nautilus ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Nautilus tempers out 49/48 and may be described as the {{nowrap| 14c & 15 }} temperament. Its ploidacot is omega-hexacot.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 49/48, 250/243
[[Comma list]]: 49/48, 250/243


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 }}, {{val| 0 -6 -10 -3 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 3 | 0 -6 -10 -3 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 6 10 3 2 -12 -21 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~21/20


[[POTE generator]]: ~21/20 = 82.505
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~21/20 = 81.914
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.000 +6.559 -5.457 -14.569 }}
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~21/20 = 82.505
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +3.012 -11.368 -16.342 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 14c, 15, 29, 44d, 59d, 73cd, 102cd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 14c, 15, 29, 44d }}


[[Badness]]: 0.057420
[[Badness]] (Smith): 0.057420


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Line 426: Line 567:
Comma list: 49/48, 55/54, 245/242
Comma list: 49/48, 55/54, 245/242


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 4 }}, {{val| 0 -6 -10 -3 -8 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 3 4 | 0 -6 -10 -3 -8 }}


POTE generator: ~21/20 = 82.504
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~21/20 = 81.802
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~21/20 = 82.504


Vals: {{val list| 14c, 15, 29, 44d, 59d, 73cde, 102cde }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14c, 15, 29, 44d }}


Badness: 0.026023
Badness (Smith): 0.026023


==== 13-limit ====
==== 13-limit ====
Line 439: Line 582:
Comma list: 49/48, 55/54, 91/90, 100/99
Comma list: 49/48, 55/54, 91/90, 100/99


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 4 5 }}, {{val| 0 -6 -10 -3 -8 -19 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 3 4 5 | 0 -6 -10 -3 -8 -19 }}


POTE generator: ~21/20 = 82.530
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~21/20 = 81.912
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~21/20 = 82.530


Vals: {{val list| 14cf, 15, 29, 44d, 59df, 73cde, 102cde }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14cf, 15, 29, 44d }}


Badness: 0.022285
Badness (Smith): 0.022285


==== Belauensis ====
==== Belauensis ====
Line 452: Line 597:
Comma list: 40/39, 49/48, 55/54, 66/65
Comma list: 40/39, 49/48, 55/54, 66/65


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 4 4 }}, {{val| 0 -6 -10 -3 -8 -4 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 3 4 4 | 0 -6 -10 -3 -8 -4 }}


POTE generator: ~21/20 = 81.759
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~21/20 = 82.034
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~21/20 = 81.759


Vals: {{val list| 14c, 15, 29f, 44df }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14c, 15, 29f, 44dff }}


Badness: 0.029816
Badness (Smith): 0.029816


; Music
; Music
[http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Igs/NautilusReverie.mp3 Nautilus Reverie] by [[Igliashon Jones|Igliashon Calvin Jones-Coolidge]]
* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Igs/NautilusReverie.mp3 ''Nautilus Reverie''] by [[Igliashon Jones|Igliashon Calvin Jones-Coolidge]]


== Ammonite ==
== Ammonite ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Ammonite adds 686/675 to the comma list and may be described as the {{nowrap| 8d & 29 }} temperament. Its ploidacot is epsilon-enneacot. [[37edo]] provides an obvious tuning.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 250/243, 686/675
[[Comma list]]: 250/243, 686/675


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 5 8 10 }}, {{val| 0 -9 -15 -19 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 5 8 10 | 0 -9 -15 -19 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 9 15 19 3 5 2 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~9/7


[[POTE generator]]: ~9/7 = 454.448
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~9/7 = 454.550
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.000 +7.095 -4.564 -5.276 }}
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~9/7 = 454.448
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +8.009 -3.040 -3.346 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 29, 37, 66 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 21cd, 29, 37, 66 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.107686
[[Badness]] (Smith): 0.107686


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Line 483: Line 636:
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 686/675
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 686/675


Mapping: [{{val| 1 5 8 10 8 }}, {{val| 0 -9 -15 -19 -12 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 5 8 10 8 | 0 -9 -15 -19 -12 }}


POTE generator: ~9/7 = 454.512
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~9/7 = 454.505
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~9/7 = 454.512


Vals: {{val list| 29, 37, 66 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 8d, 21cde, 29, 37, 66 }}


Badness: 0.045694
Badness (Smith): 0.045694


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Line 496: Line 651:
Comma list: 55/54, 91/90, 100/99, 169/168
Comma list: 55/54, 91/90, 100/99, 169/168


Mapping: [{{val| 1 5 8 10 8 9 }}, {{val| 0 -9 -15 -19 -12 -14 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 5 8 10 8 9 | 0 -9 -15 -19 -12 -14 }}


POTE generator: ~13/10 = 454.529
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~13/10 = 454.480
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~13/10 = 454.529


Vals: {{val list| 29, 37, 66 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 8d, 21cdef, 29, 37, 66 }}


Badness: 0.027168
Badness (Smith): 0.027168


== Ceratitid ==
== Ceratitid ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Ceratitid adds 1728/1715 to the comma list and may be described as the {{nowrap| 21c & 22 }} temperament. Its ploidacot is omega-enneacot. [[22edo]] provides an obvious tuning.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 250/243, 1728/1715
[[Comma list]]: 250/243, 1728/1715


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 }}, {{val| 0 -9 -15 -4 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 3 | 0 -9 -15 -4 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 9 15 4 3 -19 -33 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~36/35


[[POTE generator]]: ~36/35 = 54.384
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~36/35 = 54.804
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.000 +4.809 -8.374 +11.958 }}
* [[POTE]]: ~2 = 1200.000, ~36/35 = 54.384
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +8.585 -2.081 +13.636 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 1c, 21c, 22 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 1c, 21c, 22 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.115304
[[Badness]] (Smith): 0.115304


=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
Line 524: Line 687:
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 352/343
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 352/343


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 4 }}, {{val| 0 -9 -15 -4 -12 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 3 4 | 0 -9 -15 -4 -12 }}


POTE generator: ~36/35 = 54.376
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~36/35 = 54.702
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~36/35 = 54.376


Vals: {{val list| 1ce, 21ce, 22 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 1ce, 21ce, 22 }}


Badness: 0.051319
Badness (Smith): 0.051319


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Line 537: Line 702:
Comma list: 55/54, 65/63, 100/99, 352/343
Comma list: 55/54, 65/63, 100/99, 352/343


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 4 4 }}, {{val| 0 -9 -15 -4 -12 -7 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 3 4 4 | 0 -9 -15 -4 -12 -7 }}


POTE generator: ~36/35 = 54.665
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~36/35 = 54.575
* POTE: ~2 = 1200.000, ~36/35 = 54.665


Vals: {{val list| 1ce, 21cef, 22 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 1ce, 21cef, 22 }}


Badness: 0.044739
Badness (Smith): 0.044739


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