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The '''canou family''' of rank-3 temperaments tempers out the [[canousma]], 4802000/4782969 = {{monzo| 4 -14 3 4 }}, a 7-limit comma measuring about 6.9 cents.
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The '''canou family''' of [[rank-3 temperament|rank-3]] [[regular temperament|temperament]]s [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[canousma]], 4802000/4782969 ({{monzo| 4 -14 3 4 }}), a 7-limit comma measuring about 6.9 [[cent]]s.


== Canou ==
== Canou ==
{{Main| Canou temperament }}
{{Main| Canou temperament }}


The canou temperament features a period of an octave and generators of [[3/2]] and [[81/70]]. The 81/70-generator is about 255 cents. Two of them interestingly make [[980/729]] at about 510 cents, an audibly off perfect fourth. Three make [[14/9]]; four make [[9/5]]. It therefore also features splitting the septimal diesis, [[49/48]], into three equal parts, making two distinct [[interseptimal]] intervals related to the 35th harmonic.  
The canou temperament features a [[period]] of an [[octave]] and [[generator]]s of [[3/2]] and [[81/70]]. The ~81/70-generator is about 255 cents. Three make [[14/9]]; four make [[9/5]]. It therefore splits the large septimal diesis, [[49/48]], into three equal parts, making two distinct [[interseptimal interval]]s related to the 35th harmonic.  


For tunings, a basic option would be [[99edo]]. Others such as [[80edo]], [[94edo]], and [[118edo]] are possible; [[19edo]] (perferably with stretched octaves) also provides a good trivial case, whereas the [[optimal patent val]] goes up to [[1131edo]], relating it to the [[amicable]] temperament.  
A basic tuning option would be [[99edo]], although [[80edo]] is even simpler and distinctive. More intricate tunings are provided by [[311edo]] and [[410edo]], whereas the [[optimal patent val]] goes up to [[1131edo]], relating it to the [[amicable]] temperament.  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: [[4802000/4782969]]
[[Comma list]]: [[4802000/4782969]]


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 | 0 1 2 2 | 0 0 -4 3 }}
 
: mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~81/70


Lattice basis:  
Lattice basis:  
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: Angle (3/2, 81/70) = 73.88 deg
: Angle (3/2, 81/70) = 73.88 deg


[[POTE generator]]s: ~3/2 = 702.3728, ~81/70 = 254.6253
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 702.3175, ~81/70 = 254.6220
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.0000 +0.3625 -0.1667 -0.3249 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 702.3455, ~81/70 = 254.6237
: error map: {{val| 0.0000 +0.3904 -0.1175 -0.2640 }}


[[Minimax tuning]]:  
[[Minimax tuning]]:  
* [[7-odd-limit]]: 3 +c/14, 5 and 7 just
* [[7-odd-limit]]: 3 +c/14, 5 and 7 just
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s: 2, 5, 7
: [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.5.7
* [[9-odd-limit]]: 3 just, 5 and 7 -c/7 to 3 +c/14, 5 and 7 just
* [[9-odd-limit]]: 3 just, 5 and 7 -c/7 to 3 +c/14, 5 and 7 just
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s: 2, 7/5
: [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.7/5


{{Val list|legend=1| 19, 56d, 61d, 75, 80, 94, 99, 212, 292, 311, 410, 1131, 1541b, 1659b }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 19, 56d, 61d, 75, 80, 94, 99, 212, 292, 311, 410, 1131, 1541b, 1659b }}


[[Badness]]: 1.122 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Badness]] (Smith): 1.122 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


[[Complexity spectrum]]: 4/3, 9/7, 9/8, 7/6, 6/5, 10/9, 5/4, 8/7, 7/5
[[Complexity spectrum]]: 4/3, 9/7, 9/8, 7/6, 6/5, 10/9, 5/4, 8/7, 7/5


=== Overview to extensions ===
== Undecimal canou ==
Canou has a neat extension to the 2.3.5.7.17.19 subgroup with virtually no additional errors. The [[comma basis]] is {1216/1215, 1225/1224, 1445/1444}. Otherwise, 11- and 13-limit extensions are somewhat less ideal.
The fifth is in the range where a stack of four (i.e. a major third) can serve as ~[[19/15]] and a stack of five (i.e. a major seventh) can serve as ~[[19/10]], tempering out [[1216/1215]]. Moreover, the last generator of ~81/70 is sharpened to slightly overshoot [[22/19]], so it only makes sense to temper out their difference, [[1540/1539]]. The implied 11-limit comma is the [[symbiotic comma]], which suggests the [[wilschisma]] should also be tempered out in the 13-limit.  


== Synca ==
Since the syntonic comma has been split in two, it is natural to map [[19/17]] to the mean of [[9/8]] and [[10/9]], tempering out [[1445/1444]]. From a commatic point of view, notice the other 11-limit comma, [[42875/42768]], is {{nowrap| S34 × S35<sup>2</sup> }}, suggesting tempering out [[595/594]] (S34 × S35), [[1156/1155]] (S34), and [[1225/1224]] (S35), which coincides with above. Finally, we can map [[23/20]] to the fourth complement of 22/19 to make an equidistant sequence consisting of 7/6, 22/19, 23/20, and 8/7, tempering out [[760/759]]. 311edo remains an excellent tuning in all the limits.  
Synca, for symbiotic canou, adds the [[symbiotic comma]] and the [[wilschisma]] to the comma list.  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11


[[Comma list]]: 19712/19683, 42875/42768
[[Comma list]]: 19712/19683, 42875/42768


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -7 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 7 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -3 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 -7 | 0 1 2 2 7 | 0 0 -4 3 -3 }}


[[POTE generator]]s: ~3/2 = 702.2549, ~81/70 = 254.6291
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 702.2115, ~81/70 = 254.6215
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.0000 +0.2565 -0.3768 -0.5383 +0.2980 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 702.1829, ~81/70 = 254.6186
: error map: {{val| 0.0000 +0.2279 -0.4221 -0.6043 +0.1069 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 94, 99e, 118, 193, 212, 311, 740, 1051d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 94, 99e, 118, 193, 212, 311, 740, 1051d }}


[[Badness]]: 2.042 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Badness]] (Smith): 2.04 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


[[Complexity spectrum]]: 4/3, 9/8, 9/7, 7/6, 5/4, 6/5, 10/9, 11/9, 8/7, 12/11, 11/10, 14/11, 11/8, 7/5
[[Complexity spectrum]]: 4/3, 9/8, 9/7, 7/6, 5/4, 6/5, 10/9, 11/9, 8/7, 12/11, 11/10, 14/11, 11/8, 7/5
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Comma list: 2080/2079, 19712/19683, 42875/42768
Comma list: 2080/2079, 19712/19683, 42875/42768


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 -7 -13 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 7 10 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -3 4 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -7 -13 | 0 1 2 2 7 10 | 0 0 -4 3 -3 4 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 702.2075, ~81/70 = 254.6183
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 702.1889, ~81/70 = 254.6222
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 94, 118f, 193f, 212, 217, 311, 740, 1051d }}
 
Badness (Smith): 2.56 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
 
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 595/594, 833/832, 1156/1155, 19712/19683
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -7 -13 -5 | 0 1 2 2 7 10 6 | 0 0 -4 3 -3 4 -2 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 702.2296, ~51/44 = 254.6012
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 702.2055, ~51/44 = 254.6066
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 94, 118f, 193f, 212g, 217, 311, 740g, 1051dg }}


POTE generators: ~3/2 = 702.1807, ~81/70 = 254.6239
Badness (Smith): 1.49 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 94, 118f, 193f, 212, 217, 311, 740, 1051d }}
=== 19-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19


Badness: 2.555 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Comma list: 595/594, 833/832, 969/968, 1156/1155, 1216/1215
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -7 -13 -5 -6 | 0 1 2 2 7 10 6 7 | 0 0 -4 3 -3 4 -2 -4 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 702.2355, ~22/19 = 254.5930
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 702.2117, ~22/19 = 254.5983
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 94, 118f, 193f, 212gh, 217, 311, 740g, 1051dgh }}
 
Badness (Smith): 1.00 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
 
=== 23-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19.23
 
Comma list: 595/594, 760/759, 833/832, 875/874, 969/968, 1156/1155
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 -7 -13 -5 -6 4 | 0 1 2 2 7 10 6 7 1 | 0 0 -4 3 -3 4 -2 -4 -5 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 702.2361, ~22/19 = 254.6222
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 702.2359, ~22/19 = 254.6223
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 94, 193f, 212gh, 217, 311 }}
 
Badness (Smith): 0.948 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


== Canta ==
== Canta ==
By adding [[896/891]], the pentacircle comma, [[33/32]] is equated with 28/27, so the scale is filled with this 33/32~28/27 mixture. This may be described as 75e & 80 & 99e, and 80edo makes the optimal. It has a natural extension to the 13-limit since 896/891 = (352/351)(364/363), named ''gentcanta'' in earlier materials.  
By adding [[896/891]], the pentacircle comma, [[33/32]] is equated with 28/27, so the scale is filled with this 33/32~28/27 mixture. This may be described as 75e & 80 & 99e, and 80edo makes the optimal. It has a natural extension to the 13-limit since 896/891 = (352/351)(364/363), named ''gentcanta'' in earlier materials.  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11


[[Comma list]]: 896/891, 472392/471625
[[Comma list]]: 896/891, 472392/471625


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 6 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 -2 }}, {{val| 0 0 4 -3 -3 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 0 0 -1 6 | 0 1 2 2 -2 | 0 0 4 -3 -3 }}


[[POTE generator]]s: ~3/2 = 703.7418, ~64/55 = 254.6133
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[CTE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 702.8093, ~64/55 = 254.3378
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.0000 +0.8543 +1.9537 -0.1940 +6.0769 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 703.5249, ~64/55 = 254.5492
: error map: {{val| 0.0000 +1.5699 +2.5393 +1.8714 +5.2799 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 75e, 80, 99e, 179e }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 75e, 80, 99e, 179e, 457bcddeeee }}


[[Badness]]: 4.523 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Badness]] (Smith): 4.52 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
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Comma list: 352/351, 364/363, 472392/471625
Comma list: 352/351, 364/363, 472392/471625


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -1 6 11 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 -2 -5 }}, {{val| 0 0 4 -3 -3 -3 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 0 0 -1 6 11 | 0 1 2 2 -2 -5 | 0 0 4 -3 -3 -3 }}


POTE generators: ~3/2 = 703.8695, ~64/55 = 254.6321
Optimal tunings:  
* CTE: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 703.6228, ~64/55 = 254.3447
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000, ~3/2 = 703.8323, ~64/55 = 254.5887


Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 75e, 80, 99ef, 179ef }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 75e, 80, 99ef, 179ef }}


Badness: 4.781 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness (Smith): 4.78 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


== Semicanou ==
== Semicanou ==
Semicanou adds 9801/9800, the kalisma, to the comma list, and may be described as 80 & 94 & 118. It splits the octave into two equal parts, each representing ~99/70. Note that 99/70 = (81/70)(11/9), this extension is more than natural.  
Semicanou adds [[9801/9800]], the kalisma, to the comma list, and may be described as 80 & 94 & 118. It splits the octave into two equal parts, each representing 99/70~140/99. Note that {{nowrap| 99/70 {{=}} (81/70)(11/9) }}, this extension is more than natural.  


The other comma necessary to define it is 14641/14580, the [[semicanousma]], which is the difference between [[121/120]] and [[243/242]]. By flattening the 11th harmonic by one cent, it identifies [[20/11]] by three [[11/9]]'s stacked, so an octave can be divided into 11/9-11/9-11/9-11/10.  
The other comma necessary to define it is 14641/14580, the [[semicanousma]], which is the difference between [[121/120]] and [[243/242]]. By flattening the 11th harmonic by about one cent, it identifies [[20/11]] by three [[11/9]]'s stacked, so an octave can be divided into 11/9, 11/9, 11/9, and 11/10.  


Still 80edo, 94edo, and 118edo can be used as tunings. Other options include [[104edo]] in 104c val.
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


[[Comma list]]: 9801/9800, 14641/14580
[[Comma list]]: 9801/9800, 14641/14580


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 2 0 0 -2 1 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 2 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -1 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 0 0 -2 1 | 0 1 2 2 2 | 0 0 -4 3 -1 }}


Mapping generators: ~99/70, ~3, ~81/70
: mapping generators: ~99/70, ~3, ~81/70


[[POTE generator]]s: ~3/2 = 702.3850, ~81/70 = 254.6168
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~99/70 = 600.0000, ~3/2 = 702.4262, ~81/70 = 254.6191
: [[error map]]: {{val| 0.0000 +0.4712 +0.0625 -0.1163 -1.0846 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~99/70 = 600.0000, ~3/2 = 702.4048, ~81/70 = 254.6179
: error map: {{val| 0.0000 +0.4498 +0.0245 -0.1627 -1.1262 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 80, 94, 118, 198, 212, 292, 330e, 410 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 80, 94, 118, 198, 212, 292, 330e, 410 }}


[[Badness]]: 2.197 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
[[Badness]] (Smith): 2.20 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
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Comma list: 1716/1715, 2080/2079, 14641/14580
Comma list: 1716/1715, 2080/2079, 14641/14580


Mapping: [{{val| 2 0 0 -2 1 -11 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 2 5 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -1 6 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 0 -2 1 -11 | 0 1 2 2 2 5 | 0 0 -4 3 -1 6 }}


POTE generators: ~3/2 = 702.5046, ~81/70 = 254.6501
Optimal tunings:  
* CTE: ~99/70 = 600.0000, ~3/2 = 702.4802, ~81/70 = 254.6526
* CWE: ~99/70 = 600.0000, ~3/2 = 702.4945, ~81/70 = 254.6511


Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 80f, 94, 118f, 198, 410 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 80f, 94, 118f, 198, 410 }}


Badness: 2.974 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness (Smith): 2.97 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


<!-- debatable canonicity
==== 17-limit ====
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
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Comma list: 715/714, 1089/1088, 1225/1224, 14641/14580
Comma list: 715/714, 1089/1088, 1225/1224, 14641/14580


Mapping: [{{val| 2 0 0 -2 1 -11 -10 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 2 5 6 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -1 6 -2 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 0 -2 1 -11 -10 | 0 1 2 2 2 5 6 | 0 0 -4 3 -1 6 -2 }}


POTE generators: ~3/2 = 702.4241, ~81/70 = 254.6672
Optimal tunings:  
* CTE: ~99/70 = 600.0000, ~3/2 = 702.4415, ~81/70 = 254.6663


Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 94, 118f, 198g, 212g, 292, 410 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 94, 118f, 198g, 212g, 292, 410 }}


Badness: 2.421 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness (Smith): 2.42 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


==== 19-limit ====
==== 19-limit ====
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Comma list: 715/714, 1089/1088, 1216/1215, 1225/1224, 1445/1444
Comma list: 715/714, 1089/1088, 1216/1215, 1225/1224, 1445/1444


Mapping: [{{val| 2 0 0 -2 1 -11 -10 -12 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 2 5 6 7 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -1 6 -2 -4 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 0 -2 1 -11 -10 -12 | 0 1 2 2 2 5 6 7 | 0 0 -4 3 -1 6 -2 -4 }}
 
POTE generators: ~3/2 = 702.3551, ~81/70 = 254.6866


Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 94, 118f, 198gh, 212gh, 292h, 410, 622ef }}
Optimal tunings:  
* CTE: ~99/70 = 600.0000, ~3/2 = 702.4030, ~81/70 = 254.6870


Badness: 2.177 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 94, 118f, 198gh, 212gh, 292h, 410, 622ef }}


Badness (Smith): 2.18 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
-->
=== Semicanoumint ===
=== Semicanoumint ===
This extension was named ''semicanou'' in the earlier materials. It adds [[352/351]], the minthma, to the comma list, so that the flat ~11/9 simultaneously represents ~39/32.  
This extension was named ''semicanou'' in the earlier materials. It adds [[352/351]], the minthma, to the comma list, so that the flat ~11/9 simultaneously represents ~39/32.  
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Comma list: 352/351, 9801/9800, 14641/14580
Comma list: 352/351, 9801/9800, 14641/14580


Mapping: [{{val| 2 0 0 -2 1 11 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 2 -1 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -1 -1 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 0 -2 1 11 | 0 1 2 2 2 -1 | 0 0 -4 3 -1 -1 }}


POTE generators: ~3/2 = 702.8788, ~81/70 = 254.6664 or ~11/9 = 345.3336
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~99/70 = 600.0000, ~3/2 = 702.5374, ~81/70 = 254.6819
* CTE: ~99/70 = 600.0000, ~3/2 = 702.7916, ~81/70 = 254.6704


Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 80, 94, 118, 174d, 198, 490f }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 80, 94, 118, 174d, 198, 490f }}


Badness: 2.701 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness (Smith): 2.70 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


=== Semicanouwolf ===
=== Semicanouwolf ===
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Comma list: 351/350, 364/363, 11011/10935
Comma list: 351/350, 364/363, 11011/10935


Mapping: [{{val| 2 0 0 -2 1 0 }}, {{val| 0 1 2 2 2 3 }}, {{val| 0 0 -4 3 -1 -5 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 0 0 -2 1 0 | 0 1 2 2 2 3 | 0 0 -4 3 -1 -5 }}


POTE generators: ~3/2 = 702.7876, ~15/13 = 254.3411 or ~11/9 = 345.6789
Optimal tunings:  
* CTE: ~55/39 = 600.0000, ~3/2 = 702.7417, ~15/13 = 254.3382
* CWE: ~55/39 = 600.0000, ~3/2 = 702.8092, ~15/13 = 254.3396


Optimal GPV sequence: {{val list| 80, 104c, 118f, 198f, 420cff }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 80, 104c, 118f, 198f, 420cff }}


Badness: 3.511 × 10<sup>-3</sup>
Badness (Smith): 3.51 × 10<sup>-3</sup>


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