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== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
1619edo is excellent in the 13-limit | 1619edo is excellent in the 13-limit, where it tempers out [[4225/4224]], [[4375/4374]], [[6656/6655]], 78125/78078, and 117649/117612. It also notably tempers out [[quartisma]] (117440512/117406179) and [[123201/123200]]. | ||
1619edo tunes [[keenanisma]] very finely, to 6 steps, and can use it as a microchroma. 1619edo has 7/6 on 360th step, a highly divisible number, 27/25 on 180th, and 33/32 on 72nd as a consequence of tempering out the commas. This means that 72ed33/32 is virtually equivalent to 1619edo. When it comes to using 33/32 as the generator, 1619edo supports the [[ravine]] temperament, which tempers out 196625/196608, 200000/199927, 2912000/2910897, and 3764768/3764475. | |||
Since 33/32 is close to 1\45, 7\6 is close to 1\9, and 385/384 is close to 1\270, 1619edo can be thought of as [[1620edo]] where one step was extracted and all others were moved into a more harmonically just position. It achieves this because 1620edo is contorted 270edo in the 11-limit, and its 13/8 is on the flat side coming from 324edo, and thus when it is octave stretched, steps sharpen enough to arrive at 1619edo's 13-limit excellence. | |||
1619edo is the | 1619edo supports a very precise rank two temperament, {{nowrap|19 & 1619}}, which uses [[6/5]] as a generator and has a comma basis 4375/4374, 91125/91091, 196625/196608, and 54925000/54908469. | ||
1619edo supports the keenanose temperament, which has comma basis 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, and 151263/151250. Keenanisma is the generator in the keenanose temperament, {{nowrap|270 & 1619}}, in which it highlights the relationship between 270 keenanismas and the octave. It also achieves this since {{nowrap|270 × 6 {{=}} 1620}}, and 1619 is 1 short of that and also excellent in the 13-limit. | |||
Another temperament which highlights the interval relationships in 1619edo is {{nowrap|45 & 1619}}, called ''decigrave'', since 10 steps make a 7/6, which is referred to as the grave minor third sometimes. It has a comma basis 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, {{monzo|23 5 13 -23 1 0}} in the 13-limit. Its generator is 36 steps, which represents 65/64 and 66/65 tempered together, and 2 of them make 33/32. 5 of them make [[27/25]], and 10 of them make 7/6. | |||
1619edo supports the {{nowrap|494 & 1619}} temperament called moulin, with the comma basis of 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, 91125/91091. The 25-tone scale of moulin is capable of supporting the 8:11:13 triad, as it takes less than 25 notes to map the 11th and 13th harmonics. | |||
=== The Vidarines === | |||
1619edo supports [[vidar]], which has the comma basis 4225/4224, 4375/4374, and 6656/6655. In addition, it contains a wealth of rank-two 13-limit temperaments that are produced by adding one comma on top of the vidar comma basis;. Temperaments described above such as decigrave, keenanose, moulin, are members of this collection. Eliora proposes the name ''The Vidarines'' for this collection of temperaments. | |||
A quick summary is shown below. | |||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | The Vidarines in 1619edo (named and unnamed) | |||
|- | |||
! Temperament | |||
! Generator<br />associated ratio | |||
! Completing comma | |||
|- | |||
| Keenanose ({{nowrap|270 & 1619}}) | |||
| 385/384 | |||
| 151263/151250 | |||
|- | |||
| Decigrave ({{nowrap|45 & 1619}}) | |||
| 66/65 ~ 65/64 | |||
| {{monzo|23 5 13 -23 1 0}} | |||
|- | |||
| Moulin ({{nowrap|494 & 1619}}) | |||
| 13/11 | |||
| 91125/91091 | |||
|- | |||
| {{nowrap|46 & 1619}} | |||
| 3328/3087 | |||
| {{monzo| -18 9 -2 8 -3 -1 }} | |||
|- | |||
| {{nowrap|178 & 1619}} | |||
| 4429568/4084101 | |||
| {{monzo| -29 10 2 12 -3 -4 }} | |||
|- | |||
| {{nowrap|224 & 1619}} | |||
| 256/175 | |||
| 18753525/18743296 | |||
|- | |||
| {{nowrap|764 & 1619}} | |||
| 12375/8918 | |||
| 52734375/52706752 | |||
|- | |||
| {{nowrap|901 & 1619}} | |||
| 104/99 | |||
| 34875815625/34843787264 | |||
|} | |||
While [[abigail]] is a member of the vidarines, 1619edo does not support it because abigail is a period-2 temperament, and 1619 is an odd number. | |||
=== Prime harmonics === | === Prime harmonics === | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|1619| | {{Harmonics in equal|1619}} | ||
=== Subsets and supersets === | |||
1619edo is the 256th [[prime edo]]. | |||
== Selected intervals == | |||
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | |||
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | Table of intervals in 1619edo | |||
|- | |||
! Step | |||
! Cents | |||
! Ratio | |||
! Name* | |||
|- | |||
| 0 | |||
| 0.000 | |||
| 1/1 | |||
| prime, unison | |||
|- | |||
| 6 | |||
| 4.447 | |||
| 385/384 | |||
| keenanisma | |||
|- | |||
| 72 | |||
| 53.366 | |||
| 33/32 | |||
| al-Farabi quarter-tone | |||
|- | |||
| 360 | |||
| 266.831 | |||
| 7/6 | |||
| septimal subminor third, grave minor third | |||
|- | |||
| 744 | |||
| 551.451 | |||
| 11/8 | |||
| 11th harmonic, undecimal superfourth | |||
|- | |||
| 1134 | |||
| 840.519 | |||
| 13/8 | |||
| 13th harmonic, tridecimal neutral sixth | |||
|- | |||
| 1619 | |||
| 1200.000 | |||
| 2/1 | |||
| perfect octave | |||
|} | |||
<nowiki />* Named in accordance to their most just 13-limit counterpart using the names accepted on the wiki. | |||
== Regular temperament properties == | == Regular temperament properties == | ||
{| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6" | {| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6" | ||
|- | |||
! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]] | ! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]] | ||
! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]] | ! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]] | ||
! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]] | ! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]] | ||
! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br>8ve stretch (¢) | ! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br />8ve stretch (¢) | ||
! colspan="2" | Tuning error | ! colspan="2" | Tuning error | ||
|- | |- | ||
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! [[TE simple badness|Relative]] (%) | ! [[TE simple badness|Relative]] (%) | ||
|- | |- | ||
|2.3 | | 2.3 | ||
| {{monzo| -2566 1619 }} | | {{monzo| -2566 1619 }} | ||
| [{{val| 1619 2566 }}] | | [{{val| 1619 2566 }}] | ||
| 0. | | +0.0127 | ||
| 0. | | 0.0127 | ||
| 1. | | 1.71 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2.3.5 | | 2.3.5 | ||
| {{monzo| -69 45 -1 }}, {{monzo| -82 -1 36 }} | | {{monzo| -69 45 -1 }}, {{monzo| -82 -1 36 }} | ||
| [{{val| 1619 2566 3759 }}] | | [{{val| 1619 2566 3759 }}] | ||
| 0. | | +0.0299 | ||
| 0. | | 0.0265 | ||
| 3. | | 3.57 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2.3.5.7 | | 2.3.5.7 | ||
| 4375/4374, | | 4375/4374, 52734375/52706752, {{monzo| -67 14 6 11 }} | ||
| [{{val| 1619 2566 3759 4545 }}] | | [{{val| 1619 2566 3759 4545 }}] | ||
| 0. | | +0.0295 | ||
| 0. | | 0.0229 | ||
| 3. | | 3.09 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2.3.5.7.11 | | 2.3.5.7.11 | ||
| 117649/117612 | | 4375/4374, 117649/117612, 759375/758912, {{monzo| 24 -6 0 1 -5 }} | ||
| [{{val| 1619 2566 3759 4545 5601 }}] | | [{{val| 1619 2566 3759 4545 5601 }}] | ||
| 0. | | +0.0159 | ||
| 0. | | 0.0341 | ||
| 4. | | 4.60 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2.3.5.7.11.13 | | 2.3.5.7.11.13 | ||
| 4225/4224, | | 4225/4224, 4375/4374, 6656/6655, 78125/78078, 117649/117612 | ||
| [{{val| 1619 2566 3759 4545 5601 5991 }}] | | [{{val| 1619 2566 3759 4545 5601 5991 }}] | ||
| 0. | | +0.0136 | ||
| 0. | | 0.0315 | ||
| 4.2 | | 4.26 | ||
|} | |||
=== Rank-2 temperaments === | |||
{| class="wikitable center-all left-5" | |||
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Table of rank-2 temperaments by generator | |||
|- | |- | ||
! Periods<br />per 8ve | |||
! Generator* | |||
! Cents* | |||
! Associated<br />ratio* | |||
! Temperaments | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 6\1619 | |||
| 4.447 | |||
| 385/384 | |||
| [[Keenanose]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 36\1619 | |||
| 26.683 | |||
| 65/64 | |||
| [[Decigrave]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 72\1619 | |||
| 53.366 | |||
| 33/32 | |||
| [[Ravine]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 112\1619 | |||
| 83.014 | |||
| 1573/1500 | |||
| [[Acrosextilifourths]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 390\1619 | |||
| 289.067 | |||
| 13/11 | |||
| [[Moulin]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 426\1619 | |||
| 315.750 | |||
| 6/5 | |||
| [[Oviminor]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 587\1619 | |||
| 435.083 | |||
| 9/7 | |||
| [[Supermajor]] | |||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 672\1619 | |||
| 498.085 | |||
| 4/3 | |||
| [[Counterschismic]] | |||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki />* [[Normal lists|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[Normal lists|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct | |||
== Music == | |||
; [[Francium]] | |||
* "Le's Cancel Monday" from ''The Scallop Disco Accident'' (2025) – [https://open.spotify.com/track/5yxExt1gC5KA1grtcefU2m Spotify] | [https://francium223.bandcamp.com/track/les-cancel-monday Bandcamp] | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWAsePkJvtI YouTube] | |||
* "this you?" from ''Questions, Vol. 2'' (2025) – [https://open.spotify.com/track/3ZdhHP0wAyzg9aQkKwQIar Spotify] | [https://francium223.bandcamp.com/track/this-you Bandcamp] | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28NveBGA3-U YouTube] | |||
* "Derpy Cat" from ''Microtonal Six-Dimensional Cats'' (2025) – [https://open.spotify.com/track/1j301ZrWIbkw1b8Ar5Ww5L Spotify] | [https://francium223.bandcamp.com/track/derpy-cat Bandcamp] | [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjNJoR__pT4 YouTube] | |||
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